Mind-Blowing Story: “Talking to God…”
I met god the other day.
I know what you’re thinking. How the hell did you know it was god?
Well, I’ll explain as we go along, but basically he convinced me by having all, and I do mean ALL, the answers. Every question I flung at him he batted back with a plausible and satisfactory answer. In the end, it was easier to accept that he was god than otherwise.
Which is odd, because I’m still an atheist and we even agree on that!
It all started on the 8.20 back from Paddington. Got myself a nice window seat, no screaming brats or drunken hooligans within earshot. Not even a mobile phone in sight. Sat down, reading the paper and in he walks.
What did he look like?
Well not what you might have expected that’s for sure. He was about 30, wearing a pair of jeans and a “hobgoblin” tee shirt. Definitely casual. Looked like he could have been a social worker or perhaps a programmer like myself.
‘Anyone sitting here?’ he said.
‘Help yourself’ I replied.
Sits down, relaxes, I ignore and back to the correspondence on genetic foods entering the food chain…
Train pulls out and a few minutes later he speaks.
‘Can I ask you a question?’
Fighting to restrain my left eyebrow I replied ‘Yes’ in a tone which was intended to convey that I might not mind one question, and possibly a supplementary, but I really wasn’t in the mood for a conversation. ..
‘Why don’t you believe in god?’
The Bastard!
I love this kind of conversation and can rabbit on for hours about the nonsense of theist beliefs. But I have to be in the mood! It’s like when a Jehova’s witness knocks on your door 20 minutes before you’re due to have a wisdom tooth pulled. Much as you’d really love to stay… You can’t even begin the fun. And I knew, if I gave my standard reply we’d still be arguing when we got to Cardiff. I just wasn’t in the mood. I needed to fend him off.
But then I thought ‘Odd! How is this perfect stranger so obviously confident – and correct – about my atheism?’ If I’d been driving my car, it wouldn’t have been such a mystery. I’ve got the Darwin fish on the back of mine – the antidote to that twee christian fish you see all over. So anyone spotting that and understanding it would have been in a position to guess my beliefs. But I was on a train and not even wearing my Darwin “Evolve” tshirt that day. And ‘The Independent’ isn’t a registered flag for card carrying atheists, so what, I wondered, had given the game away.
‘What makes you so certain that I don’t?’
‘Because’, he said, ‘ I am god – and you are not afraid of me’
You’ll have to take my word for it of course, but there are ways you can deliver a line like that – most of which would render the speaker a candidate for an institution, or at least prozac. Some of which could be construed as mildly entertaining.
Conveying it as “indifferent fact” is a difficult task but that’s exactly how it came across. Nothing in his tone or attitude struck me as even mildly out of place with that statement. He said it because he believed it and his rationality did not appear to be drug induced or the result of a mental breakdown.
‘And why should I believe that?’
‘Well’ he said, ‘why don’t you ask me a few questions. Anything you like, and see if the answers satisfy your sceptical mind?’
This is going to be a short conversation after all, I thought.
‘Who am I?’
‘Stottle. Harry Stottle, born August 10 1947, Bristol, England. Father Paul, Mother Mary. Educated Duke of Yorks Royal Military School 1960 67, Sandhurst and Oxford, PhD in Exobiology, failed rock singer, full time trade union activist for 10 years, latterly self employed computer programmer, web author and aspiring philosopher. Married to Michelle, American citizen, two children by a previous marriage. You’re returning home after what seems to have been a successful meeting with an investor interested in your proposed product tracking anti-forgery software and protocol and you ate a full english breakfast at the hotel this morning except that, as usual, you asked them to hold the revolting english sausages and give you some extra bacon. ‘
He paused
‘You’re not convinced. Hmmm… what would it take to convince you? May I have your permission for a telepathic link?’
‘Do you need my permission?’
‘Technically, no. Ethically, yes’
Might as well play along I thought. ‘OK – you have my permission. So convince me’
‘oh right! Your most secret password and its association’
A serious hacker might be able to obtain the password, but no one else and I mean
NO ONE
knows its association.
He did.
So how would you have played it?
I threw a few more questions about relatively insignificant but unpublicised details of my life (like what my mother claims was the first word I ever spoke – apparently “armadillo”! (Don’t ask…)) but I was already pretty convinced. I knew there were only three possible explanations at this point.
Possibility One was that I was dreaming, hallucinating or hypnotised. Nobody’s figured out a test for that so, at the time I think that was my dominant feeling. It did not feel real at the time. More like I was in a play. Acting my lines. Since the event, however, continuing detailed memories of it, together with my contemporaneous notes, remain available, so unless the hallucination has continued to this day, I am now inclined to reject the hallucination hypothesis. Which leaves two others.
He could have been a true telepath. No documented evidence exists of anyone ever having such profound abilities to date but it was a possibility. It would have explained how he could know my best-kept secrets. The problem with that is that it doesn’t explain anything else! In particular it doesn’t account for the answers he proceeded to give to my later questions.
As Sherlock Holmes says, when you’ve eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Good empiricist, Sherlock.
I was forced to accept at least the possibility that this man was who he claimed to be.
So now what do you do?
Well, I’ve always known that if I met god I would have a million questions for him, so I thought, ‘why not?’ and proceeded with what follows. You’ll have to allow a bit of licence in the detail of the conversation. This was, shall we say, a somewhat unusual occurrence, not to mention just a BIT weird! And yes I was aleetle bit nervous! So if I don’t get it word perfect don’t whinge! You’ll get the gist I promise.
***********************************‘Forgive me if it takes me a little time to get up to speed here, but it’s not everyday I get to question a deity’
‘The Deity’ he interrupted.
‘ooh. Touchy!’ I thought.
‘Not really – just correcting the image’
Now That takes some getting used to!
I tried to get a grip on my thoughts, with an internal command – ‘Discipline Harry. You’ve always wanted to be in a situation like this, now you’re actually in it, you mustn’t go to pieces and waste the opportunity of a lifetime’
‘You won’t’ he said.
Tell you! That’s the bit that made it feel unreal more than anything else – this guy sitting across the table and very obviously accurately reading my every thought. It’s like finding someone else’s hand inside your trouser pocket!
Nevertheless, something (other than simply having given my “permission”) made me inclined to accept the invasion, I had obviously begun to have some confidence in his perception or abilities, so I distinctly remember the effect of his words was that I suddenly felt deeply reassured and completely relaxed. As he had no doubt intended. Man must have an amazing seduction technique!
So then we got down to business…
‘Are you human?’
‘No’
‘Were you, ever?’
‘No, but similar, Yes’
‘Ah, so you are a produc.t of evolution?’
‘Most certainly – mainly my own’
‘and you evolved from a species like ours, dna based organisms or something equally viable?’
‘Correct’
‘so what, exactly, makes you god?’
‘I did’
‘Why?’
‘Seemed like a good idea at the time’
‘and your present powers, are they in any way similar to what the superstitious believers in my species attribute to you?’
‘Close enough. ’
‘So you created all this, just for us?’
‘No. Of course not’
‘But you did create the Universe?’
‘This One. Yes’
‘But not your own?’
‘This is my own!’
‘You know what I mean!’
‘You can’t create your own parents, so No’
‘So let me get this straight. You are an entirely natural phenomenon.’
‘Entirely’
‘Arising from mechanisms which we ourselves will one day understand and possibly even master?’
‘subject to a quibble over who “we ourselves” may be, but yes’
‘meaning that if the human race doesn’t come up to the mark, other species eventually will?’
‘in one.’
‘and how many other species are there already out there ahead of us?’
‘surprisingly few. Less than fourteen million’
‘FEW!?’
‘Phew!’
‘And how many at or about our level?’
‘currently a little over 4 ½ billion’
‘so our significance in the universe at present is roughly equivalent to the significance of the average Joe here on planet Earth in his relation to the human race?’
‘a little less. Level One, the level your species has reached, begins with the invention of the flying machine. The next level is achieved when a species is no longer dominated by or dependent upon it’s own primary – your Sun. They are able to prosper away from their own, or indeed any other, stellar system. Humanity is only just into the flying machine phase, so as you can imagine, on that scale, the human race is somewhat near the bottom of the level one pack’
‘Do you mean we will one day control our own Sun like Kardashev and Asimov talk about?’
‘quite the opposite. Those are the visions of an evolving mechanical species who imagine that bigger machines are better and stronger and that we will always need more and more energy to achieve mastery of the universe. The truth is the exact opposite. The more advanced we become, the less energy we require and the less impact we make on our environment. You manipulate matter, which requires enormous amounts of energy. We manipulate energy, which requires none. As a consequence, you would not, for example, even recognise a level two species as a lifeform unless it chose to let you ’
‘ all these evolving species; they are your “children”?’
‘I like to think of them that way’
‘and the point?’
‘at its simplest, “Life Must Go On”. My personal motivation is the desire to optimise the intelligence of the Universe. In your own terms, I strive to maximise pleasure and minimise pain. A great deal of pleasure, however, arises from communications between separate entities. Once you’ve achieved my level, we tend to cease to be billions of separate entities and become one ecstatic whole. A single entity that cannot die unless it loses the will to live. Advanced and self contained though I am, or perhaps, more accurately, because I am so advanced and self contained, one of the pleasures we lose along the way is that simple joy of meeting new and unpredictable minds and either learning from or teaching them. Thus, in large part, the point of the exercise is to provide company. I am the first eternal in this Universe. I do not intend to be the last’
‘so you created a Universe which is potentially capable of producing another god like yourself?’
‘The full benefit will be temporary, but like most orgasms, worth it.’
‘this being the moment when our new god merges with you and we become one again?’
‘don’t play it down, that’s the ecstatic vision driving us all, me included – and when it happens the ecstasy lasts several times longer than this universe has already existed. Believe me, it really is worth the effort.’
‘Yes, I think I can see the attractions of a hundred billion year long orgasm’
‘and humans haven’t even begun to know how to really enjoy the orgasms they are already capable of. Wait till you master that simple art!’
‘So it’s all about sex is it?’
‘Sexual ecstasy is merely a reward for procreating, it is what makes you want to do it. This is necessary, initially, to promote biological evolution. However once you’ve completed that stage and no longer require procreation, you will learn that ecstasy can be infinitely more intense than anything offered by sex’
‘Sounds good to me!’
‘How direct is your involvement in all this? Did you just light the fuse which set off the big bang and stand back and watch? Or did you have to plant the seeds on appropriately fertile planets?’
‘The first significant level of the intelligent self organisation of matter is the arrival of the organic chemistry which forms the precursor for biology and the first primitive life forms. That chemistry evolved, mostly, in deep space, once the stars had created enough of the heavier elements, and purely as a result of the operations of the laws of physics and chemistry which your scientists have already largely understood. All I did was to set the initial conditions which triggered the bang and essentially became dormant for nearly 5 billion years. That’s how long it took the first lifeforms to emerge. That places them some 8 billion years ahead of you. The first intelligent species are now 4.3 billion years ahead of you. Really quite advanced. I can have deeply meaningful conversations with them. And usually do. In fact I am as we speak’
‘So then what?’
‘Do I keep a constant vigil over every move you make? Not in the kind of prying intrusive sense that some of you seem to think. Let’s say I maintain an awareness of what’s going on, at a planetary level. I tend only to focus on evolutionary leaps. See if they’re going in the right direction’
‘And if they’re not?’
‘Nothing. Usually’
‘Usually?’
‘Usually species evolving in the wrong direction kill themselves off or become extinct for other reasons’
‘Usually?’
‘There have been one or two cases where a wrong species has had the potential of becoming dominant at the expense of a more promising strain’
‘Let me guess. Dinosaurs on this planet are an example. Too successful. Suppressed the development of mammals and were showing no signs of developing intelligence. So you engineered a little corrective action in the form of a suitably selected asteroid’
‘Perceptive. Almost correct. They were showing signs of developing intelligence, even co-operation. Study your Troodons. But far too predatory. Incapable of ever developing a “respect” for other life forms. It takes carrying your young to promote the development of emotional attachment to other animals. Earth reptiles aren’t built for that. The mammals who are, as you rightly say, couldn’t get a foothold against such mighty predators. You’ve now reached the stage where you could hold your own even against dinosaurs, but that’s only been true for about a thousand years, your predecessors didn’t stand a chance 65 million years ago, so the dinosaurs had to go. They were, however, far too ubiquitous and well balanced with the ecology of the planet, and never developed technology, so they weren’t going to kill themselves off in a hurry. Regrettably, I had to intervene.’
‘Regrettably?’
‘They were a beautiful and stunningly successful life form. One doesn’t destroy such things without a qualm.’
‘But at that stage how could you know that a better prospect would arise from the ashes?’
‘I didn’t. But the probability was quite high.’
‘and since then, what other little tweaks have you been responsible for in our development?’
‘None whatsoever. I set an alarm for the first sign of artificial aerial activity, as I usually do. Leonardo looked promising for a while, but not until the Montgolfier brothers did I really begin to take an interest. That registered you as a level one intelligent species’
‘If the sign is “aerial activity”, how do you identify technological bird species?’
“Same way. Intelligent flyers rarely become technologists though. They tend to evolve into adaptors rather than manipulators but the few exceptions develop flying machines rather more quickly than species like your own because they have a natural understanding of aerodynamics.”
‘but why would a bird need a flying machine?’
‘that’s like asking why would your species need cars and other forms of mechanical transport. The technology lets you carry heavier loads, faster and for greater distances than just relying on your own physical abilities.’
‘OK, so what about our more famous “prophets”; Jesus of Nazareth, Moses, Mohammed…’
‘hmmm… sadly misguided I’m afraid. I am not here to act as a safety net or ethical dictator for evolving species. It is true that anyone capable of communicating with their own cells will dimly perceive a connection to me – and all other objects in this universe – through the quantum foam, but interpreting that vision as representing something supernatural and requiring obeisance is somewhat wide of the mark. And their followers are all a bit too obsessive and religious for my liking. It’s no fun being worshipped once you stop being an adolescent teenager. Having said that, it’s not at all unusual for developing species to go through that phase. Until they begin to grasp how much they too can shape their small corner of the universe, they are in understandable awe of an individual dimly but correctly perceived to be responsible for the creation of the whole of that universe. Eventually, if they are to have any hope of attaining level two, they must grow out of it and begin to accept their own power and potential. It’s very akin to a child’s relationship with its parents. The awe and worship must disappear before the child can become an adult. Respect is not so bad as long as it’s not overdone. And I certainly respect all those species who make it that far. It’s a hard slog. I know. I’ve been there.’
‘So, you’ve been taking more interest in us since the Montgolfiers, when was that? 1650s?’
‘Close. 1783’
‘Well, if you’ve been watching us closely since then, what your average citizen is going to want to know is why you haven’t intervened more often. Why, if you have the power and omniscience that goes with being a god, have you sat back and allowed us to endure such incredible suffering and human misery in the past few centuries?’
‘It seems to be necessary.’
‘NECESSARY??!!’
‘Without exception, intelligent species who gain dominance over their planet do so by becoming the most efficient predators. There are many intelligent species who do not evolve to dominate their planet. Like your dolphins and most of the intelligent flyers we were just talking about, they adapt perfectly to the environment rather than take your course, which is to manipulate the environment. Unfortunately for the dolphin, theirs is a dead end. They may outlive the human race but will never escape the bounds of planet earth, let alone your solar system – not without your help at any rate. Only those who can manipulate the world they live in can one day hope to leave it and spread their seed throughout the universe.
Unlike the adaptors, who learn the point of cooperation fairly early on, manipulators battle on. And, once all lesser species have been overcome, they are so competitive and predatory that they are compelled to turn in on themselves. This nearly always evolves into tribal competition in one form or another and becomes more and more destructive – exactly like your own history. However this competition is vital to promote the leap from biological to technological evolution.
You need an arms race in order to make progress.
Your desire to dominate fuels a search for knowledge which the adaptors never acquire. And although your initial desire for knowledge is selfish and destructive, it begins the development of an intellectual self awareness, a form of higher consciousness, which never emerges in any other species. Not even while they are experiencing it, for example, can the intelligent adaptors – your dolphins – express the concepts of Love or Time.
Militarisation and the development of weapons of mass destruction are your first serious test at level one. You’re still not through that phase, though the signs are promising. There is no point whatsoever in my intervening to prevent your self-destruction. Your ability to survive these urges is a crucial test of your fitness to survive later stages. So I would not, never have and never will intervene to prevent a species from destroying itself. Most, in fact, do just that.’
‘And what of pity for those have to live through this torment?’
‘I can’t say this in any way that doesn’t sound callous, but how much time do you spend worrying about the ants you run over in your car? I know it sounds horrendous to you, but you have to see the bigger picture. At this stage in human development, you’re becoming interesting but not yet important.’
‘ah but I can’t have an intelligent conversation with an ant’
‘precisely’
‘hmm… as you know, most humans won’t like even to attempt to grasp that perspective. How can you make it more palatable?’
‘Why should I? You don’t appear to have any trouble grasping it. You’re by no means unique. And in any case, once they begin to understand what’s in it for them, they’ll be somewhat less inclined to moan. Eternal life compensates for most things.’
‘So what are we supposed to do in order to qualify for membership of the universal intelligentsia?’
‘Evolve. Survive’
‘Yes, but how?’
‘Oh, I thought you might have got the point by now. “How” is entirely up to you. If I have to help, then you’re a failure. All I will say is this. You’ve already passed a major hurdle in learning to live with nuclear weapons. It’s depressing how many fail at that stage.’
‘Is there worse to come?’
‘Much’
‘Genetic warfare for instance?
‘Distinct Possibility’
‘and the problem is… that we need to develop all these technologies, acquire all this dangerous knowledge in order to reach level two. But at any stage that knowledge could also cause our own destruction’
‘If you think the dangers of genetic warfare are serious, imagine discovering an algorithm, accessible to any intelligent individual, which, if abused, will eliminate your species instantly. If your progress continues as is, then you can expect to discover that particular self-destruct mechanism in less than a thousand years. Your species needs to grow up considerably before you can afford to make that discovery. And if you don’t make it, you will never leave your Solar System and join the rest of the sapient species on level two.’
’14 Million of them’
‘Just under’
‘Will there be room for us?’
‘it’s a big place and level two species don’t need much space’
‘and, for now, how should we mere mortals regard you then?’
‘like an older brother or sister. Of course I have acquired more knowledge and wisdom than you have. Of course I’m more powerful than you are. I’ve been evolving much longer and have picked up a few tricks along the way. But I’m not “better” than you. Just more developed. Just what you might become’
‘so we’re not obliged to “please” you or follow your alleged guidelines or anything like that?’
‘absolutely not. Never issued a single guideline in the lifetime of this Universe. Have to find your own way out of the maze. And one early improvement is to stop expecting me – or anyone else – to come and help you out.’
‘I suppose that is a guideline of sorts, so there goes the habit of a lifetime! ‘
‘Seriously though, species who hold on to religion past its sell-by date tend to be most likely to self destruct. They spend so much energy arguing about my true nature, and invest so much emotion in their wildly erroneous imagery that they end up killing each other over differences in definitions of something they clearly haven’t got a clue about. Ludicrous behaviour, but it does weed out the weaklings.’
‘Why me? Why pick on an atheist of all people? Why are you telling me all this? And why Now?’
‘Why You? Because you can accept my existence without your ego caving in and grovelling like a naughty child. ‘
‘Can you seriously imagine how the Pope would react to the reality of my existence?! If he really understood how badly wrong he and his church have been, how much of the pain and suffering you mentioned earlier has been caused by his religion, I suspect he’d have an instant coronary! Or can you picture what it would be like if I appeared “live” simultaneously on half a dozen tele-evangelist propaganda shows. Pat Robertson wouldwet himself if he actually understood who he was talking to.
Conversely, your interest is purely academic. You’ve never swallowed the fairy tale but you’ve remained open to the possibility of a more advanced life form which could acquire godlike powers. You’ve correctly guessed that godhood is the destiny of life. You have shown you can and do cope with the concept. It seemed reasonable to confirm your suspicions and let you do what you will with that information.
I can see you’re already thinking about publishing this conversation on the web where it could sow an important seed. Might take a couple of hundred years to germinate, but, eventually, it will germinate.
Why now? Well partly because both you and the web are ready now. But chiefly because the human race is reaching a critical phase. It goes back to what we were saying about the dangers of knowledge. Essentially your species is becoming aware of that danger. When that happens to any sapient species, the future can take three courses.
Many are tempted to avoid the danger by avoiding the knowledge. Like the adaptors, they are doomed to extinction. Often pleasantly enough in the confines of their own planet until either their will to live expires or their primary turns red giant and snuffs them out.
A large number go on blindly acquiring the knowledge and don’t learn to restrain their abuse. Their fate is sealed somewhat more quickly of course, when Pandora’s box blows up in their faces.
The only ones who reach level two are those who learn to accept and to live with their most dangerous knowledge. Each and every individual in such a species must eventually become capable of destroying their entire species at any time. Yet they must learn to control themselves to the degree that they can survive even such deadly insight. And frankly, they’re the only ones we really want to see leaving their solar systems. Species that haven’t achieved that maturity could not be allowed to infect the rest of the universe, but fortunately that has never required my intervention. The knowledge always does the trick’
‘Why can’t there be a fourth option – selective research where we avoid investigating dangerous pathways?’
‘There is almost no knowledge which is completely “safe”. As you can see from your own limited history, the most useful ideas are also, nearly always, the most dangerous. You have yet, for instance, to achieve the appropriate energy surpluses required to complete this phase of your social development. When you’ve mastered the relevant technology, it will eliminate material inequalities and poverty within a generation or two, an absolutely vital step for any maturing species. Your potential paths to this bonanza include the control of nuclear fusion – which you only began to explore in the context of potential mass extinction weapons and nano engineered solar energy harvesting or hydrogen cycling. And already your leading military scientists are looking for ways to develop equally dangersous weapons based on the same technology. And they will find them. You may not survive them.
Similarly, you will shortly be able to conquer biological diseases and even engineer yourselves to be virtually fault free. Your biological life spans will double or treble within the next hundred years and your digital lifespans will become potentially infinite within the same period:If you survive the potential threat that the same technology provides in the form of genetic timebombs, custom built viruses and the other wonders of genetic and digital warfare.
You simply can’t have the benefits without taking the risks’.
‘I’m not sure I understand my part in this exercise. I just publish this conversation on the web and everything will be alright?’
‘Not necessarily. Not that easy I’m afraid. To start with, who’s going to take this seriously? It will just be seen as a mildly amusing work of fiction. In fact, your words and indeed most of your work will not be understood or appreciated until some much more advanced scholars develop the ideas you are struggling to express and explain them somewhat more competently. At which point some of those ideas will be taken up en masse and searches will be undertaken of the archives. They will find this work and be struck by its prescience. You won’t make the Einstein grade, but you might manage John the Baptist!
This piece will have no significance whatsoever if humanity doesn’t make certain key advances in the next couple of centuries. And this won’t help you make those advances. What it will do is help you recognise them’
‘can I ask what those advances may be?’
‘I think you know. But yes – although you are at level one, there are several distinct phases which evolving species pass through on their way to level two. The first, as we’ve discussed, is the invention of the flying machine. The next significant phase is the development of the thinking machine.
At your present rate of progress, you are within a few decades of achieving that goal. It marks your first step on the path of technological evolution. Mapping the human genome is another classic landmark, but merely mapping it is a bit like viewing the compiled code in a dos executable. It’s just meaningless gibberish, although with a bit of hacking here and there, you might correctly deduce the function of certain stretches of code.
What you really need to do is ‘reverse engineer’ the dna code. You have to figure out the grammar and syntax of the language. Then you will begin the task of designing yourselves biologically and digitally. But that task requires the thinking machine’
‘You say you avoid intervention. But doesn’t this conversation itself constitute intervention – even if people alive now completely ignore it?’
‘Yes. But it’s as far as I’m prepared to go. Its only effect is to confirm, if you find it, that you are on the right path. It is still entirely up to you to navigate the dangers on that path and beyond.’
‘But why bother even with that much? Surely it’s just another evolutionary hurdle. We’re either fit enough or not…’
‘In many ways the transition to an information species is the most traumatic stage in evolution. Biological intelligences have a deeply rooted sense of consciousness only being conceivable from within an organic brain. Coming to terms with the realisation that you have created your successor, not just in the sense of mother and child, but in the collective sense of the species recognising it has become redundant, this paradigm shift is, for many species, a shift too far. They baulk at the challenge and run from this new knowledge. They fail and become extinct. Yet there is nothing fundamentally wrong with them – it is a failure of the imagination.
I hope that if I can get across the concept that I am a product of just such evolution, it may give them the confidence to try. I have discussed this with the level two species and the consensus is that this tiny prod is capable of increasing the contenders for level two without letting through any damaging traits. It has been tried in 312 cases. The jury is still out on its real benefits although it has produced a 12% increase in biological species embracing the transition to information species.
‘Alright, so what if everyone suddenly took it seriously and believed every word I write? Wouldn’t that constitute a somewhat more drastic intervention?’
‘Trust me. They wont’
‘and so it’s still the case, that, should another asteroid happen to be heading our way, you will do nothing to impede it on our behalf?’
‘I’m confident you will pass that test. And now my friend, the interview is over, you have asked me a number of the right questions, and I’ve said what I came to say, so I’ll be going now. It has been very nice to meet you – you’re quite bright. For an ant!’ He twinkled.
‘Just one final, trivial question, why do you appear to me in the form of a thirty something white male?’
‘have I in any way intimidated or threatened you?’
‘No’
‘Do you find me sexually attractive?’
‘er No!’
‘So figure it out for yourself…’
Original Story can be found HERE
Photo by ejpphoto




Z B said on 07.26.2012
DOOD -_- AWESOME!!!! i think the formula that can destroy us all has something to do with Yod He Vau He ~~~YOD (essence of light) HE (essence of darkness, voidness) VAU (light and dark merging, having sex, existing) HE (the product of that union, Yod or light of the next YHVH sequence)…. Been thinking lately how we have what is behind our vision, our self, what we consider I, our skin of the veil, and then the movie of existence. Reality is just our “friend in the dark”. I feel like the thinking machine isn’t left brain technology based, maybe it is related to the mer ka ba? or is the mer ka ba? idk…. i read all the comments, no one is talking about this, message me if u know what im talking about! :D
Kyle Lutteroty said on 12.02.2012
this is simply equivalent to the bible for atheists. Although God is a character in this story it is not for the right reasons, his involvement is just a ploy in order to get those who are on the fence of ‘is there a god, is there not a god?’ to become involved in the story jus to hear an atheitst with an agenda. Yes everything in here is crucial for the continuation of mankind but peoples faith can help to work through these speed bumps, like it has in the past. Religion, although more than likely fictions in one sense or another, has been the building block of individual human evolution and creates peace just as much as it creates problems
mrTornzy said on 07.26.2012
Oddly enough, I have come to the same conclusion in my journey. I have prayed to god for wisdom every day, and every day some small vision has shaped within my head. When asked the meaning of life, I was answered not with the normal Christian ideals but with a simple answer “To become one with god” Our end goal is to become one with a higher being on different levels in our multiverse.
When asked by other not very intelligent Athiest why I think god exists, I respond with this:
If consciousness is known to exist in the physical, and we have proven that matter can be transformed into energy and vice versa; Why can’t consciousness exist energetically?
It really is only our primitive ape-like subconscious minds that are holding us back.
I still pray everyday to God, not for guidance, but for wisdom and everyday I am shown a enough so that I can piece together the rest myself.
I was actually very shocked that someone on the internet who I have never met has discovered the exact same conclusion that has been constantly drumming in the back of my head.
Akila said on 09.16.2012
My sentiments exactly, as well!
Back in January, I was still a “Christian”, one night I had an experience that happened where I believed I let my ego go and let “God” come in and control my life. From then, I proceeded to live a life following “Jesus” begging for truth and the capability to be entrusted with it. On this journey, I realized that I can’t trust anything as an absolute truth, but I do believe there is something else out there that “created” us, but not totally sure of our importance or where we as humans really fit in, and then I realized that maybe we don’t. And then my questions started to turn into truths I accept as my own, but believe that God had his “hand” or whatever you’d like to call it in this place I’m at now. I think what’s mainly important is growing and we’ve come so far since history that we know of, think of how far we can go. How many people can actually grasp the concept of a telephone, scientifically? I can’t tell you. I’m sure not many people can. I love the idea of the “thinking machine” that we can access all the knowledge that anyone has ever known. What will that mean for us? It’s so exciting to see where we can go in the future. I just really became interested in all this, but I heard (maybe not from a reliable source, but still) that we known are teleporting atoms… So eventually we’ll figure out teleportation? I mean, there’s just so much more to learn. It’s incredibly intoxicating, I’m so excited for the human race if we can learn to be in this journey of life together. If only greed and prejudice could be forgotten and we can move on together what unfathomable beauty can come from it! It’s all about letting go of our egos and that’s so hard… I wonder how much time it will take for us to change? If this story is true, this is basically all my thoughts well spoken since I’m more of an “average intellectual :P”, when all people can grasp this and be open to the idea that it IS about the here and now for us, but it isn’t all at the same time, this will something to see and even if it is hundreds or thousands of years from now maybe we will still be able to. We’ll be one like I believe we are. Anyone that’s experienced psychadelics, I’m sure can at least understand how we are connected to everything, which scientifically we are. OMG! I’m probably not making sense, but I’m just so excited! I wish humanity well in this quest for God or truth or knowledge… whatever it may be :)
boredcanadian said on 07.28.2012
Simple, i do not beleive in God because belief requires faith, and faith means I am not aloud to question the aforementioned beliefs. With time being a man-made concept, no event is as unique as it would seem and everything would have to occur at some point regardless of the so called “odds”,. Leaving as you put it the simplest explanation being the best one, and that is human nature has us control others through fear to reach our own selfish desires. What better way then to manipulate our need for purpose by suggestion of an afterlife? Finally I will state, unlike most who do not “believe” in God, I do not deny a driving force in the universe nor am i proud of my way of thinking. I would prefer to believe, I mean life would be so much easier if I could get up in the morning filled with the security provided by the knowledge that God loves me and everything will eventually be alright.
me said on 07.30.2012
This whole thing just makes me ecstatic. I recently read The Secret and it speaks of us being a source of energy and having the power within us, to create anything possible for us. This article just made me believe even more. I wonder what the species and level two look like or even think of us, I bet there an incredible specimen.
aTrueBeliever said on 08.03.2012
Is this a fictional post, or an actual event?
aTrueBeliever said on 08.03.2012
Never mind.. I answered my own question, lol. Great freagin story though. Makes you think! Or, in my case, write off religion completely! haha
joliejulia said on 08.09.2012
Gave me chills as I read over some parts. I have been working with Amazonian plant medicine for the past 3 years, and much of the teachings of the plants are echoed in this article. I mean, not to go all hippie-dippy on you, but…. my past 3 years of learning and healing have been telling me a LOT of the same messages. Maybe that means something. I guess we’ll see :-)
karski said on 09.04.2012
So, what happens after we die? Is there a heaven and hell? or just a “heaven”? or nothingness? I don’t believe there’s a hell because that just seems like nonsense to me
clever thinker said on 09.19.2012
Their is no heaven or Hell because thats essentially what we are trying to achieve.
karski said on 11.19.2012
Yes but I’ve heard of near death experiences where the individual goes into a state of immense bliss, happiness, joy, and all feelings of pleasure but no cases where they experience the opposite after they die. I’ve also heard the theory that a large amount of DMT is released into the body after we die and could explain this phenomenon. I haven’t done much research on either of the topics, i just know the generals.
Drew Hernandez said on 11.10.2012
I cant exactly give you an answer but the fact of the matter is if you are going to believe there is a sort of “heaven” you then must be equally open to the possibility of a “hell” most of our current culture encourages the beliefe of a heaven by calingl dying “going to a better place” or “finding peace”. because why would you like to believe your loved one might be enduring horrible suffering?
If you believe that the consiousness or “soul” is in existance somewhere after you die it must be a part of the universe, obviously not the physical dimension, but a dimension of non physical beings.
It is plainly obvious that everything with exsistance in the universe is blanaced with an opposing exsistance, therefore if there were a non physical greater dimension of bliss and ecstancy were to exsist, would there not then be a balanced opposing/paralel dimension of suffering?
MrAtom said on 09.14.2012
Very Interesting short, well done.
I think Asimov and Heinlein would have approved.
HighCommand238 said on 09.25.2012
This kind of reminds me of the conversation between Neo and the man who “created” the matrix, or at least the algorithm or w/e. reading this was one of today’s little treats for me. thank you for sharing it.
zowie said on 10.05.2012
Interesting read. I enjoyed it.
F8RR said on 10.13.2012
I enjoyed this article, it gives one both answers and more questions. I’m catholic, but I do not consider myself ‘entirely’ catholic for I am not in favor of all of their ‘policies’ and claims, for a lot of catholic leaders have failed madly along history, but which human doesn’t?
I believe in God though, I do believe in evolution, and in transformation, they can be related. I think that ignorance is the of all plagues, and it comes with taking something for granted or not trying to find out the truth at all. There is people that read the Bible and take all of its events for granted, others that take all of the events for myths, which it makes me think: “We are more advanced that the people that wrote the Bible, everybody forget the meaning of that book, it was written by other men who were slaves of their seasons and shared ‘experiences’ and/or interpretations, and it’s all about that: Interpretation”.
Religions are other men’s interpretations, but Faith it’s one person’s OWN belief, it’s an energy, and as an energy it can be transferred to others.
I do not believe in a Universe made an effect without a cause (Newton’s third law), I refuse to believe that the Universe was created out of nothing, because mathematically speaking: 0+0=0
Anyway, I do not take for granted the Catholic religion, although I do enjoy what it has made of my life, and I’m totally open to listen to other religions’ perception and perspectives.
I also do not take this article for granted, but in the case that it’s no fiction it would be good to make people consider THIS perspective.
This is what I believe.
Mournclaw said on 10.20.2012
Strange enough, I remembered a couple of my earlier dreams while I read this. Seemingly completely unrelated to this, no less. And by earlier, I really mean *earlier*, in the sense that they have happened over many, many years, all over my life. Maybe I should search for some meaning behind them, no?
Anyways, this made me feel that I’ve already been on the right path for about five years for now. Downloading and reading a multitude of books on philosophy, mysticism, science, (martial arts) and anything else interesting that I’ve got my hands on…
Zaehet said on 10.31.2012
Cool story bro…. lol.
joe said on 11.02.2012
if god is present at all time in our universe and throughout all space, doesn’t that mean that the time it happens is irrelevant and if we do succeed at some point then we are already god?
Kyle Lutteroty said on 12.02.2012
this is simply equivalent to the bible for atheists. Although God is a character in this story it is not for the right reasons, his involvement is just a ploy in order to get those who are on the fence of ‘is there a god, is there not a god?’ to become involved in the story jus to hear an atheitst with an agenda. Yes everything in here is crucial for the continuation of mankind but peoples faith can help to work through these speed bumps, like it has in the past. Religion, although more than likely fictions in one sense or another, has been the building block of individual human evolution and creates peace just as much as it creates problems
Infinitarian said on 12.11.2012
Of course Gods would themselves keep evolving, and do so much faster than we, so that there’s no way they would need us for their own evolution, and therefore, they wouldn’t care about our evolution or interfere with it, anymore than we would with the evolution of ants. God isn’t going to be there after the Singularity, any more than ever before in history, because while to us it may seem special, after it has happened it will seem like just another of the many revolutions in our history. The only God we ever had and will ever have is ourselves and each other.
Aquatic Pterodactyl said on 12.13.2012
We are God, religions allow us to reinforce our souls to move further and gain wisdom. Violence is the only thing that keeps us expanding.
The cataclysm will cure our world + allowing the survivors to start in a fresh natural world.
The atmosphere will change and we will then be in the next state of mind to advance close to “level two”.
The dinosaurs gave Life what was needed to create Earths next breed.
We are providing Life(God) with the necessary material to experience higher levels of evolution, slowly but surely growing closer and closer to activate the major stars.
As we experience life, stardust collabtors and when the time is ready, activating stars of all sizes (purpose intended)
As we come to the end of this age, the next age will be fresh with a similar but totally different species of life on earth.
While being sober, our state of mind will be in depth similar to THC. Slowly being legalized, a natural world will be what many think of the Anti-Christs accomplishment.
The AntiChrist is the only thing that will complete this age.
ShakThiMonkey said on 12.19.2012
However fascinating, how did you remember every exact word He or he had said?
Ray Butler said on 12.24.2012
Dah, stating the obvious much? There is a lot of focus on collective potential as a species, I want to know what an idividual can achieve despite its species. Because if personal extinction is the only reward for the success of thought for an individual in a biologically finite and technologically limited world, what motivates? The end game for humanity? Well good for them but that asks a shit-tonne of altruism, something I don’t believe exists, or it asks a level of logic that divines to time indefinite, something no thing can manage with absolute objectivity without knowing every possible outcome.
Ray Butler said on 12.24.2012
After all this, we are simply back at finding psychological balance and appropriate interaction. I say that without bringing God into it.
Ray Butler said on 12.24.2012
Balance in and between our psyche and our interactions has immediate gain to ourselves and each other, if we accend beyond the need for that benefit I will be suprised, and that may well be level 2, but it is not really relevant before then except in attempts to forge greater understanding of the universe, which in itself is meerly a curiousity as compared to our personal dicipline in the afore mentioned “balance”.
But I suppose I am dismissed by the super-brains of the future for not grasping the prophetic all encompassing truth to this philosophy, especially that what I see is an atheistic personification of God who calls people who have only made the same accurate points I have made, in their own way, as “misguided”
Ray Butler said on 12.24.2012
So do I believe in God? I believe Godliness is the completely objective line drawn between the relevant and the irrelevant. The “Balance” I mentioned is attainable by logic, dicipline and confidence in each our own judgement for what makes sense. I believe religions have within them, regardless of manipulative misinterpretations, a far better guidance in acheiving this balance and objective line than I could ever offer, it is a shame that it is underscored by the jaded for ignorance of the introspective qualities religions offer. I am a much nicer and mentally balanced person more due to that than anything else, despite the lack of faith I live by.
Ray Butler said on 12.24.2012
Edit: “I believe Godliness is the completely objective line drawn between the relevant and the irrelevant” and the appropriate application of that knowledge.
brybear said on 02.11.2013
This comment thread is hilariously consistent with the story. Finally we’ve found something for both athiests and thiests to not understand and agree to disagree with.
Personally I found this story, whether fact or fiction, to be eye-tearingly inspirational. This theory is 100% in line with my own idea of the universe, and this tale makes me feel less alone in my hypothesis.
Thanks for sharing!
david2awsome said on 02.21.2013
I found this story very interesting, it gave me a new perspective in things, however theirs a few things that made me a little skeptical, like if he really talked to god why would he label dinosaurs incorrectly as lizards? Saying they dint care for their young when evidence tells us otherwise! “But far too predatory. Incapable of ever developing a “respect” for other life forms. It takes carrying your young to promote the development of emotional attachment to other animals. Earth reptiles aren’t built for that. The mammals who are, as you rightly say, couldn’t get a foothold against such mighty predators.”
Nate said on 03.03.2013
This reminded me of a story called “The Egg” by Andy Weir. http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html