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Quincy (@lionhare)    2 years, 9 months ago

touchy subject on this site, i’m quite aware, but i am quite curious as to why one would think, or not, there is a HE. Why do or don’t you believe? and what is it that you believe in? man, the universal wholeness, a or many gods… etc.
Firstly I will give you a small synopsis of what i think: as edward norton put it(yes it was in a movie but eloquently put) i think of the existence or a higher being as parallel lines. as man knows they exist we can only create its imperfections. we know that parallel lines exist in a perfect manner and if they didn’t they would just be some chaotic creation of the universe…. not exactly the quote but the jist of what was said.
now i have to add i just believe something is up there or in all of us, nature and the universe that connects everything. with that i do not believe in any religious shpeeel…. so my fellow HEthens speak and be heard!!!

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 9 months ago ago

I don’t know about spiritual or anything like that, I just think we are better than everyone else.

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Jenn (@bubblyjenn)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@Ray: HAHAHAAA! <3

Same. I get exhausted being such a bada$$ all the time… #ExhaustedFromAwesomeness

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Morgan (@m17lee)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Wow. Talk about big egos, which is not part of the HE idea. :P

High Existence, for me, is the idea of not passively floating through life but being aware in your world and your life. People don’t think anymore. They go through life just going with the flow. I want to have an effect on the world and an effect on my life. That’s my HE.

HEthens strive for a better existence, yes, but we want to bring everyone else with us.

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Max H (@traceur)2 years, 9 months ago ago

By a higher existence, I just think of it as freedom of thought, breaking inhibitions to become a true free thinker in which you are then fulfilling a higher existence. EDIT: I’m saying nearly the same thing as Morgan ^ but we posted about the same time.
It seems what you are talking about though, is the thought of a higher existence out there, not our own (though as you suggest, we may be a part of it if we are indeed connected). But humans are Gods among the universe. We have the ability of conscious thought and can manipulate matter; not as you would imagine a god purely creating or destroying something, but that we can rearrange the universe’s building blocks in a way which we control, which is not the result of some absolute chemical reaction. See what I’m saying?

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 9 months ago ago

I have thought a lot about God and metaphysics in my life, even studied the Bible in depth. When I came to this site I was egocentrical (more so than now I mean), I had big ideas to spill on God. What I have learned since then is what is important and frankly it is not God, not some higher power.
Don’t get me wrong, I still believe in an all powerful God, creator or whatever, but now he is not my concern. My concern, my higher existence comes from within. First it is about a stable foundation, this is to be true to my conscience, not (or try my hardest not to) do anything to make myself feel guilty. This entails the first rule of my code “try not to harm anyone”.
Then, once this is set I am then free to build on myself. I have a philosophy “Seek wisdom but do not sacrifice love and happiness to do so, as this is not wise” This entails the second of my code “Have love for others” and my third code “Passion is the source of happiness”. (it is also the source of great stress but happiness works on the yin/yang principle)
The cherry on top is code four (my code has been progressing over the last month or so) “Why so serious?” This means I have to laugh every day, it is law. (of course 1 and 2 are pretty much interchangable, if you love you will try not to hurt and if you try not to it is a gesture of love but 1 is actions and 2 is emotions)
I am also contemplating adding wisdom as a 5th, but it really shouldn’t be a law persay, more a guideline.

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Bryan Hellard (@xyver)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Because if what we are now is the best we can be… I dunno what I’d do.

There can always be better. (I’ve been saying that a lot recently….)

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 9 months ago ago

higher for me just concerns topics which are not the usual blah blah .
it is about us all wondering, and learning and teaching and asking.
and sharing what is meaningfull to us all in our lifes. spontaneously.
and uneditedly.
as opposed to dwelling on superficial nonsense.
i dont think we should get hung up on the title of it.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Well said my lovely, I was totally thinking of saying the same thing especially, do not get caught on a title, turns out my ego got the best of me….again.lol

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Quincy (@lionhare)2 years, 9 months ago ago

ahhhh but let it be Ray I enojoyed reading about your codes, and what the rest of you have said
@Max in paticular your idea of all men being Gods of the universe would normally make me speak out but i never thought of it in such a way: where “God” creates and we manipulate. I’m just curious though you don’t believe in any all powerful being or would you say its mankind that you believe in? I don’t mean to get touchy or personal

I agree with everyone that the title is… not something so much to get hung up on and also that (just saying this to sum it up) its more so the expansion of our own realms of thought and consciousness that we are concerning ourselves more than any existence, or lack there of, of any higher being
would you say that’s about right?

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Quincy, you may have heard people talking about a realationship with God at some point in your life, I’m pretty sure everyone has, wether they believe it or not. To me, I think this relationship is possible, but not such as this powerful higher being, it is personal and emotional. I believe your feelings about the outer world are yours but the feelings you have for yourself are a representation of this relationship.
You are right in that we can expand the realms of thought and consciousness but not only concerning ourselves but the entire universe. But you do not find any Godly meaning externally. The universe out there is the body of God, a material thing with great beauty and wonder but no other level of consciousness. You do not find that mind of God in his body, the external but internally.
So bottom line is to love and care for yourself, if you do not already, find a way to make that internal relationship work because that is where you find spirituality. (some times I am so bizzaro, I sound like that Irish lady from touched by an angel)

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I have a two part view on this: Agnosticism (NOT atheism), and my theory of “Planet = god”.

1) Agnosticism really resonates with me for two reasons, which are essentially (I think) the two foundations of agnosticism. The first is “We are not capable of ascertaining the concrete existence of a sentient divine/powerful being, ergo, why bother?”. The second, and related to the first is “Even if we were able to ascertain the existance of a sentient divine being…would it matter? Would we change the way we lived or thought?” The divine hasn’t interferred thus far…why would she/he/it interfere if we were able to prove it’s existance? she/he/it would obviously know there are people on earth who believe it exists, and that doesn’t seem to matter to it. How would knowing it’s existance for sure completely change that? I do not believe it would.

Those two rationales, to me, define agnosticism and why I identify with it. When my religious friends say “But what if you’re wrong? What if there is a creator and he wants to be worshipped and obeyed?” I tend to reply with “Well, if there is a creator, and we were created in his image, then technically I can do no wrong. I am a construct of that creator, and as such I am bound by his rules. If she/he/it is truely wise and benevolent and caring, surely my skepticism would not be held against me, especially since I wouldn’t be capable of that skepticism if your creator didn’t allow it in the first place. I literally wouldn’t be able to comprehend otherwise if your creator truely wanted it that way”. They don’t always appreciate a logical defense to what I believe is an emotional topic, but they do tend to agree with the whole “God is both mighty and forgiving, so as long as you admit you were wrong and give god a big high five at the pearly gates, you should be cool”. And I mean, hey, I’m not above admitting I was wrong. Why would an all powerful “god” hold that against me?

2) The planet as a divine being/power: Personally, I’ve come to believe over time that the only higher being or power in our world (and by that I mean planet) is the planet itself and all of it’s inhabitants both sentient and not. Gaia. People, animal, trees, rocks, everthing. If you break everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, down to the molecular level we are all made of the same basic stuff/elements. Not only are we all made from the same basic stuff but we all came from, and are continuously nourished and sheltered by, the planet. The same basic elements that make up the planet also make us up. As they make up animals, rocks, trees, water, everything. I am made up of the same basic elements as a zebra, the bricks in this building, the water in the river, the steel on the roof, the person in the office next to me, the plastic this keyboard is made from, the food I’m eating, etc. It’s all the same. And it all came from the same place. We’re all connected by this, all the time, we just take different forms. It’s one giant, connected system. It’s why I believe karma exists (and works) as well as the law of attraction (which may really just be the same thing expressed differently). The universal consciouness exists because we are all part of the same closed system. It’s why we can feel empathy, and why we can love an animal. The more I see and experience the more I believe this. The awesome power of nature to protect and nourish is wholly magnificent, and we came from it and continue to be a part of it.

Look at a seed…and how much life essence it contains, even while dormant. A squirrel can eat a few seeds and get an incredible amount of nourishment. Other seeds grow, providing shelter for the squirrel, and perhaps eventually even food for the squirrel and for others. But, most amazingly, the seed, the squirrely, the fruit, and us, are all the same thing, all made from the same thing, and all connected to this system of life we call a planet that made us. We came from the planet, we live on and with the planet, and when we die our bodies decompose and return to the planet (and nourish it and other inhabitants!). The cycle never stops, ever, for anything. There is never any more or less matter in/on the planet than there was before. Everything is the same, and just takes different shapes. But chemically and fundamentally we remain but a simple manifestion of the planet that happens to occupy our current forms.

WOW. Sorry that turned out so long. This is arguably one of my favorite things to discuss…not to mention brevity is not a strong suite of mine.

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SpiralOut (@spiralout1)2 years, 9 months ago ago

We are the creator of ourselves and of the universe. Your consciousness is god. I think to find a higher existence is to find the implicate order of things. To somehow get closer to the fundamental clockwork behind all of existence. Meditiation, dreaming, OBES, psychokenisis, all things that bring your mind to a closer relationship with matter seems to be getting closer to the implicate order of things. That feeling of oneness, being connected to the whole, is what awaits us when we die. It’s been called the metaconsciousness, and it’s a state of pure understanding in between lives.

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SpiralOut (@spiralout1)2 years, 9 months ago ago

Then when we are born again, are mind is wiped clean. Because if we had a pure and complete understanding of things there would be no motivation to live, progress, or evolve

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Max H (@traceur)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@Quincy nope I don’t believe in an all powerful being or existence. Existence is currently based on math and chemicals, I could say the groups of molecules which activate our sex drive and the stimulation that pleases it is an all powerful “being” because with it you could effectively control all humans, in the same respect you would be all powerful if you controlled every type of matter (and therefore energy), right? No being has that power, nor could they, it would simply defy the “laws” (“” because these are reallly just perceived laws) of existence and therefore could not exist. I do believe there are absolute truths that exist (which I doubt we can percieve) like laws that are absolutely basic. What we percieve is only many of those laws building upon themselves into a percieved law.
In short, no, I don’t believe in an all powerful being. But I believe humanity has real potential that it is not even close to tapping in to.

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Max H (@traceur)2 years, 9 months ago ago

@Quincy nope I don’t believe in an all powerful being or existence. Existence is currently based on math and chemicals, I could say the groups of molecules which activate our sex drive and the stimulation that pleases it is an all powerful “being” because with it you could effectively control all humans, in the same respect you would be all powerful if you controlled every type of matter (and therefore energy), right? No being has that power, nor could they, it would simply defy the “laws” (“” because these are reallly just perceived laws) of existence and therefore could not exist. I do believe there are absolute truths that exist (which I doubt we can percieve) like laws that are absolutely basic. What we percieve is only many of those laws building upon themselves into a percieved law.
In short, no, I don’t believe in an all powerful being. But I believe humanity has real potential that it is not even close to tapping in to.

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