A solution to poverty and overpopulation!!
“Mr. President, we need a solution to end with poverty and overpopulation in our country!”
“Easy. Kill every poor person there is.”
Yeah, I know it’s kind of a dumb question…
But, assuming you wouldn’t do it, why wouldn’t you?
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@trek79, Your questions cover interesting moral, philosophical and economic aspects, and I am not in a place to answer that, since I really cannot give you an objective opinion. To be completely honest, I would have a very hard time sacrificing all the luxury that I have right now, but that would hardly even make a change anyway. I stick by my values to do good with the things I am capable of, the money that I am making, the knowledge that I have, not only for myself, but for as many other people as well. You know, it is a conscious choice we can all make, it does not really matter how rich or poor you are, as long as your intentions are good.
I agree with a lot of your points in your first post, but it is really wishful thinking that if businesses, corporations and industries would provide in education, this would solve the problem. The political climate, along with people their mentality and believes, along with the natural climate are all factors interconnected with each other, and they all need to be changed, in order to get the changes necessary.
However, why will this not work and will it lead to a global collapse eventually? Because we cannot all be as wealthy as we are right now. We need those poor people for the overall equilibrium in the world.
That is why I asked if people are really willing to give up what they have in order to help fight world poverty.
“This makes sense because when all these poverty people become productive they attain the kind of money to start spending, and all the business that invested now has a larger consumer base to make even more money from”
Yes, but this will retaliate itself, because of my above mentioned points. We need poor people to keep the prices low.
Capitalism is a beautiful system and as NON system every created before, it has helped MOST people out of poverty than ANY system before (even combined), therefore people fighting against capitalism, have simply no idea, are naive and ignorant. However, capitalism should be controlled more than it is right now, putting boundaries on immens non proportional salaries and creating stricter regulation to prevent fraud and the like. But then again, mankind would not have to be as corrupt as it is.
Just one more thing.
You know, all these people making these so called ‘donations’ to charities (a donation of 0,0001% of your salary is just pathetic by the way), are just hypocrites. If you really want to help, you would really put some effort, rather than clearing your conscious by such a ridiculous thing as donating 1 dollar/euro a month to a charity where 80% of your dollar/euro will not go to the place intended anyway, and which does not mean any sacrifice whatsoever.
If people would truly have to put effort in doing something to help this problem, you would suddenly see a drastic decrease in these so called altruistic people.
Studies show that the poor are more empathetic than the rich, so getting the rich to cooperate won’t be easy.
Extra planetary colonization would provide a solid solution.
A more humane version of eugenics would work too, but that method would require messing around with evolution, which is like playing with fire.
@alexunknown, Well there is a solution. The countries that have the highest levels of self-sufficiency (I mean as far as people are productive and appart from the interdependance we all have within society on each other, they generally provide for themselves with their compensation for contribution) these countries also have the lowest population growth, some even have negative population growth.
All the poverty stricken nations of the world have out of control population growths. The main reason is in education, people with a quality education tend to become independant free thinkers who consider what they want and have to provide for, and basically what children are going to cost them to provide a life and education that is responsible of them to provide.
A way to do all this, get all these people a decent education and the opportunities to put that education to work, is to get all the business, companies, corporations, industries etc, to invest in providing it. This makes sense because when all these poverty people become productive they attain the kind of money to start spending, and all the business that invested now has a larger consumer base to make even more money from.
The problem with this idea is that the business’ will not volunteer for this, despite what they would gain from doing it, they do not want to spend money if they can do nothing, but it is done by a bunch of other business’, then they will gain from the larger consumer base anyway and not spend a cent.
The only thing to do, as it would be in the vein of communist dictatorship to make laws and force the business to do it, the only real option is to organize consumerism, set up a strategic buying network. If it trends and you get millions of people actively involved in boycotting inconsiderate business’, then business’ start to realize they are losing profits and will continue to lose them as the movement grows, they will realize it is fiscally responsible to be socially responsible, the sacrifice for investing in social programs would then be less than what they are losing in customers.
@staylucky, well, one where you were the Mr. President having a second thought about it, considering overpopulation exists and poverty is pretty strong in your country. More of a detailed process of your moral, ethical thinking in case you were against this decision… And having myself a second thought, the case where you decided that would be ok, I think your answer would be entertaining too!
Let’s say your country’s head actually decided to kill every poor person there is. How would you manifest against it if you weren’t agree with it, or how would you show your support for it if you were agree with it? What would your speech or your reasons to let it or not happen??
Easy, stop sharing the planet irrationally, and let all nations do as they will. Let nature take its course with our planet and do what is necessary for nations. They ought to, for instance, expand and contract according to their needs and desires (yes, that means EXPANDING is necessary).
@liammcfeely, I agree that there will always be a “poor” population, the people with the least. But I think what we’re discussing here is that that lowest income level should not be struggling to eat and for medicine and such. I think it’s less concern for equal classes, and more concern for people being able to have a secure lifestyle.
@alexunknown, because someone always has to poor. I think that if everyone in poverty was gone, the lower-middle class would become the new group of impoverished people. The market would eventually adjust so that we would still be stuck with the same problem of poverty in our society. The only way to fix this would be by redistributing the wealth so everyone had an even share, but this would never happen because of humans’ ambition/greed. Also, were the wealth redistributed so everyone always was equal, people would, I believe, not have enough incentive to work their hardest. It’s impossible to find a system where everyone would be incentivized to work their hardest without giving some people more than others, and by giving some more than others, we will always have a system where some people are in poverty.
@trek79, Cutting even more? Europe and the US are offshoring their jobs already since years to India and China, meaning a big shift in not only white collar jobs, but also blue collar workers now working in India for a five time less salary than in the Western World, or in fabrics in China where workers earn 1 to 2 dollars a day.
We do not want to live without poverty, because that means that we would give up on all the luxury we have right now!
Please people, do not be so ignorant and naive! Poverty is what makes your lives so fucking comfortable!
@everymorningbornfromtheashes, Don’t think I would ever agree with that, that is what Nazi’s and bat shit crazy dictators do. I do agree that some people aren’t suitable candidates for parenthood but you cannot legislate testicles, ovaries and wombs.
@alexunknown, America, I’m assuming that is where your from from the “Mr. President” bit, does not have an overpopulation problem, a wealth distribution problem perhaps. The world also does not have a overpopulation problem, just a population distribution problem. I couldn’t care less what population or poverty problems countries like the USA, Canada, Australia or European states think they have, because when you look at Africa or India it is not important. The real question should be “Mr. President what are you going to do for the third world”.
P.s. if the US introduced a decent social welfare system they would greatly improve the situation of it’s lower classes and bring a shitload of people over the poverty line.
@neith, We went through a big surge the last century or so, but gender equality has meant that a lot of women are not marrying or having children anymore (or at least not pumping out families of 3-6 kids), so most first world countries are starting to see their numbers slow down.
One of the biggest contributors towards poverty (ironically enough) is most charities. Natives of war-torn or poverty stricken countries have little urge to stay and use any qualifications they might earn because a) They can make a life for themselves somewhere that they have always dreamed of and b) most charities do little to solve any problems. They just allow the people to rest on them without actually looking at ways to keep nationals with degrees there and to invest.
And whoever mentioned something about forfeiting benefits to end poverty, as a middle to high class citizen, I would.