I am just curious on people’s views on abortion. I personally am pro-choice. I believe it is someone’s body and there decision. Either way the U.S. should at least keep things straight, for example if a someone kills a pregnant women they get charged with two accounts of murder but if a pregnant women has an abortion nothing happens. This is a little two-sided in my opinion. I could even go into the sanctity of life, which in a lot of conversations goes hand in hand with abortion, which is all sorts of wrong in my opinion. What are others thoughts on this?
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Good thing I don’t believe things operate on a ‘survival of the fittest’ basis.
I have a brother who is in and out of prison. You never know what he’s going to do. Should that mean that I should abort my child because I could be exposing the child to a bad environment? Also, if the parents themselves aren’t all together, maybe having a child is just the catalyst they need to get their shit together. And as far as the disease thing goes, that should be handled case by case, no over-ruling law on the subject. And if its 1/a billion, then chances are it won’t happen often so it can be handled case by case.
@jesusbob, Why do men have a say? Well because birth is the driving force of human life! Men=PART OF HUMAN LIFE. If you wanna be pro-choice it should be fair across the board. The male should choose if he wants to pay child support or not.
Obviously its the woman’s body and therefore she will always have more say ultimately, but if men could choose if they wanted to pay child support or not, or sue the woman if she aborted his child, then maybe people would think about it a little more.
Personally, I think choice starts when you decide to have sex. Everyone knows pregnancy is always a chance.
So I think what we mean here is people are “post-choice” and not, “Pro-choice”
I am personally pro abortion. Given the thought that craploads of people and children alike(not saying children arent people) die by other means than nature all the time. I dont see how we feel so special to save some persons cell ball(for those pro conceptionists) yet so willing to murder their neighbor over petty life squabbles( religion, racisim, etc..)
But hey I’m just a teenager and as all the adults around me say, my opinion doesnt matter.
@ijesuschrist, I’m sorry to disappoint you but it is not a fact. We have to agree first upon the fact that an unborn foetus can be classified as a human being already. And in this matter we differ, because I do not find a foetus a human being until it will come out of the mother and live his life independently on earth. No matter if its one day old or nine months old.
And I have to disappoint you once again, because I am not succumbing to cognitive dissonance. Yes a foetus is life, but until it will be born, it is part of the mother, and therefore it cannot be classified as individual life yet in my opinion. It is part of the motter like any other organ, because it cannot live its life independently yet. So one can argue that killing the foetus is nothing more than killing an organ, even when the foetus (supposedly) is conscious.
And in your way of thinking we are all murderers, not of human beings, but of life, because all of us have killed some sort of life in some sort of way, even when it was not consciously. When you do not agree with me that you are a murderer, you are succumbing to cognitive dissonance.
@minch, A skin cell is not a human cell. Are you seriously not understanding what I’m saying? A skin cell is NOT a human. It is a skin cell that is part of a human. That isn’t my opinion. That is scientific fact.
And yes, the rest of my views are my opinion. I thought that’s what this topic was about?
By your logic, murder is okay because of how many people there are, what does one death matter? I believe a zygote is a human, just at the very beginning of their development. A sperm cell or a skin cell is not a human.
@biancavila, It’s cool that you say that. I’m looking through these old posts and getting annoyed because people aren’t sharing the same views as I.
But, pffft. I get to yours and I feel silly. Kudos to you, seriously. Well said.
We’re focusing on the wrong argument.
We should start in schools, IMO, where sex ed. is more often than not taught with a preachy overtone or incorrectly overall. It such schools, teen pregnancy is higher, lol. If we teach kids honestly and objectively they’ll make their own personal and educated choices.
If you can’t remember your embryo days, I suspect you should stop smashing your opinion around the green house.
If an embryo doesn’t want to be aborted, maybe it should do something about it, like the blacks and the jews did.
I, personally know women who had over 5 abortions and just don’t talk about it much and I should not be even sharing this on the internet. Just because it is personal and it’s no one else’s business in the first place, and after all they’ve been through, don’t want to complain and put the burden on other people. I respect those women, even though they acknowledge that the decision is based every person involved. And yes, we should really try to be more humane, because every pregnancy is basically your future and everyone involved in it. Of course, I can speak only from a male’s point of view. That’s not even for a debate. Sheesh.
Usually I am the mad one around here. :)
@nikola, you are right, but I am talking about cases where certain diseases can be found out during pregnancy, or when it is known that the baby will be born without arms, or for example siamese twins etc. I really believe that it is better to do an abortion in these cases (when the parents want to of course)
And I agree with your first point, it should be the choice of the parents whether they want an abortion or not.
@grantgodfrey7, Semen is a made up of human cells as well. And it can arguably be said to have it’s own consciousness since it lives outside the male body, and within the testicles without needing to be latched onto a biological life support system (umbilical cord). Upon leaving the male body semen can live for several days within a vagina. Whereas if a fetus were to have it’s umbilical cord or placenta ruptured/torn it would die before a certain state of development (starting around 27 weeks gestation).
I would argue that even after the baby is born it still isn’t able to live independently. Leave a week old baby at home alone for a month or two and see if it is able to survive (disclaimer: do not actually attempt this). So up until the child is able to live independently of anyone else we can abort it?
But this topic has been discussed ad nauseam.
@grantgodfrey7, look out everyone a human
and yes I am validating death by insignificance. The way I see it, all life on earth could end and be humanity wiped from existence and how would it affect the universe? not in the slightest. a single ant has a larger impact on earth ecology then humans as a race do on the universe.
we just aren’t special in any way. we are just matter that thinks it’s alive. when you stop giving a shit, everything seems more wonderful. you appreciate it for what it is, knowing it has no validation or purpose.
Honestly I don’t know where I stand on abortion, but I do think we need better/more birth control. Obviously sex drive isn’t going away, and that’s fine and natural. But I think people need to seriously stop having babies until we at least try to solve the problems we’ve got, otherwise what kind of future are these babies going to have? Endless resource wars, that’s what. Evolution’s going to stop and go back the way it came, until we’re all beating each other over the head with rocks again.
That’s the thing Alex, you are generalizing extremely personal experiences, which is nonsensical in itself and implies an objective reality which does not even fucking exist. It’s like making gay marriage a political issue. Something as personal as love or pregnancy should not be up for “general” discussion, especially by people who have no idea what they’re talking about. That includes the male politicians constantly making decisions about this stuff… And yes, that includes you. I just can’t imagine what it must be like to think you have a right to render a moral judgment on an issue that you are literally physically incapable of experiencing yourself.
I don’t know about anywhere else but there is a pill called the morning after pill here in Australia. This can be taken, I think, anywhere up to a week after sex, give or take. This is a precautionary thing incase of accidents or rape, though I know birth controls are not an option with some religions. This is taken pretty much before most tests can even detect conception. I have heard that you can only have it once in every while because it is not the healthiest option, but I can not see this method as an issue, you have to give people some chance.
@mikeyw829, I would not exactly say no repercussions, unless someone is a complete shitstain, no woman (or girl) can get out of this process without it being quite probably THE hardest decision she could ever make. This is an incredibly emotionally scaring event, something she will most likely regret, even if she always continues to believe it was the right thing.
When you consider stuff like this, you question the validity of any moralty concerning abortion. This and and as Eric said, many abortions are due to the pressures of a capitalist system. So being pro-choice or pro-life is a little hypercritical, what choice and what life can this kid be pro for?