Acid vs. Mushrooms
I was reading over a mushroom thread and I asked myself this question. Which is overall a better time? Not just during the trip, but consider a day, week, month, year after. Acid may be greater in terms of intensity and duration, but what about quality of trip, and which provides the actual life-altering or mind blowing thoughts that can be taken outside of the trip and used to better oneself. Is the fact that mushrooms are natural that its usage is more widespread? So much to ponder when making the ultimate choice of which drug is OVERALL more enjoyable.
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@Mike I can definitely relate to that. I’ve had really great visuals on lucy but I do get caught up in my own mental processes a good bit easier. I feel like the trip is all happening outside me in some perpetrating manner, whereas on mushies I get way more focused mental activity that I can observe with clarity and thus enable myself to experience and create positive emotions and feelings. I’ve also gotten flashes of memories from early childhood as well as striking epiphanies and insights into existence. I really think this is because of the Teacher aspect to the experience that I have read is also present, if you listen, in mescaline and ayahuasca.
I recently did shrooms and acid (Different times) and as i am sitting here writing this i think that i like both shrooms and acid but shrooms gave me insanely dark thoughts and it was fun to fall into the darkest corners of my mind, but on acid i felt divine and one with every atom that surrounded me. these conclusions and experiences i think are greatly affected by the environment. Acid at night in the woods= time forest of awesome mysticalness
Shrooms at night in the woods= frightening thoughts and strange thoughts. acid felt more controlled over shrooms but i took 3.5 grams of shrooms the first time and i took 1.5 hits of acid the first time so i need to up the dose on my next acid trip and truly think.
I’ve tried both shrooms and acid, and I definitely prefer shrooms over acid. I’ve taken shrooms twice and both times i’ve had nice experiences. I felt very instinctual and i was so happy, my thoughts were very in the moment and i didn’t ramble on about anything. However, I’ve taken LSD once, and it caused me to have a brief psychotic episode. During my trip, I was outside and i just saw shooting stars and spaceships, and I had two other people with me. I kept rambling and talking in circles about miley cyrus and some boy i liked. About two weeks later, i went apeshit and wrecked my car, revealed secrets about myself and others that i would never do in my right mind, trashed my dad’s house, pretty much i fucked up a lot of shit for myself and lost a few friendships. I went to a psychiatrist and i told the dr what happened and the dr said i had a brief psychotic episode. Then again, everybody’s brain and chemical make up is different, and different drugs have different effects on different people.
But what do you use them for? I mean I’m sure 99% of people fall under the category of recreation. But is your idea of recreation in the sense of laughing fits and light hearted humor or is the recreation gained by having profoundly interesting thoughts and images. I’m thinking the acid vs. mushroom question really depends on what your looking for in the experience
I think I’ve read somewhere shrooms have longer lasting effects on a person. i.e. days, weeks and sometimes even months post trip there are lingering feelings (psychological, perhaps physiological in some sense as well), obviously somewhat dependent on how your trip went. Don’t quote me on this, but I think it was a controlled study where patients were administered mushrooms noted a persistent positive attitude over the duration of the following couples weeks, almost month.
Edit: @Mike Mac, Aaron; regarding your Teacher comments.. Please, please check out Terence Mckenna’s “True Hallucinations: Being an Account of the Author’s Extraordinary Adventures in the Devil’s Paradise”. I will forego trying to give an accurate interpretation of his findings for fear of butchering the late Terence’s great work. One of my favourite books however, it describes his and his companion’s trip to the amazon in search of a rare chemical, ends up with them doing a fuckton of mushrooms and is a terribly interesting read!
Edit2: Forgot to mention, is very in line with your Teacher comments and describes the mushroom almost as a being in itself, of a very different sorts than we can verily imagine though.. Also if you’re up for it, but secondarily to my first recommendation, “Breaking Open the Head” by Daniel Pinchbeck.
I’ve never done acid or shrooms but I recently got a hook-up who’s done shrooms, by his estimation, over a hundred times. I’m looking forward to my experience with it a lot because its been something I’ve wanted to do for years, I just never was able to find a connection and someone I felt comfortable tripping with.
I’m not sure about thoughts so much as feelings, after doing acid I felt that not only should it definitely be legal, but that people would be less assholish to each other if they enjoyed the benefits of a good trip. When I was on it, I felt all the things that worry or anger me evaporate, it was as if that state dug those things out of my skin.
@mike, I will definitely check that book out, I looked it up and looks really sweet.
@alexa, I’ve never done K but a tonne of my friends have… and the general consensus was they liked it, but it mimicked a sort of drunk and disoriented feeling, rather than intense hallucinations. My one friend even went into a K hole and fucked up an entire month of his life. He turned super sketchy. Not to discredit you in any way, shape or form… However I do not recommend K for several reasons 1) it is animal tranquilizer 2) it fucked up one of my buddies 3) its more expensive than booze but seems to be just like it 4) the hallucinogenic quality of K is very low in everybody I’ve heard of thats done it. Now I’m not saying you didn’t trip balls, cause it sounds like you did..But not everybody can experience the same trip. If anybody is seeking a chemical hallucinogenic trip that isn’t acid try MDA.
@justice, if thats what you want out of either of them, the trip itself is very similar. Its your mind state throughout the trip which really entails what your going to get out of it.
SHROOMS –> Harder to control trip, taste like shit (often make me puke), doesn’t last as long, poisons you. (i have munched them many times)
ACID –> Can be frightening if you’re not used to hallucinogens, is much more comfortable while on it (if that makes sense), cannot control the dose as easily as shrooms though.
Overall i prefer acid but i’d say it may be for a more advanced tripper.. (or a very open minded individual) Shrooms are a good starting point as you can control your dose and get a feel for the body high and mind fuck you get from both.
If you’ve done sid you it is not unfair to say you MUST have encountered shrooms some where along the way? From my experience acid gave me the enlightenment that your talking about during the long-ass trip, however afterwards I had a bit of a mental hangover, and I couldn’t seem to take anything out of the trip, like all the knowledge that was gained just vanished. However, mushrooms are less of a an intense trip, but the things I figure out about nature and social patterns and stuff all remained in my mind for days later. But that may be just be me because clearly you remember many of your acidic conclusions
@Mike (not Mike Mac)
I’ve read McKennas Archaic Revival: Speculations on Psychedelic Mushrooms, the Amazon, Virtual Reality, UFOs, Evolution, the Rebirth of the Goddess, and the End of History, but I never read True Hallucinations. Sounds just as sweet and I loved his writing in Archaic Revival, which is where I heard about the Teacher aspect though I had experienced this aspect before I read about it. Also, I’ve read Breaking Open the Head as well as a few of Pinchbecks other books like 2012 Return of the Quetzalcoatl and various writings on his website Reality Sandwich. Its all a great contribution to journalism if you ask me. The documented exploits of psychonauts are always profound to me.
Oh one more point, acid its hard to tell if its going to be good you never know who made it unless you get a friend who has a background in chemistry. Shrooms i know which types i prefer and which ones i don’t so its easy to see whether or not i want to munch em. (i prefer the ‘amsterdam’ shrooms is what i call em, gold caps white stems, i’ve tried 3 different kinds of pscylocibin those are my favourite).
Soooooooooo, I know this is an old thread but I figured better to do this than to create yet another psychedelic thread. Got some questions:
-I’ve heard that with shrooms, to get the most effect you are supposed to fast for a minimum of 4 hours beforehand, eat them plain if possible, chew them for 15 minutes at least, and then afterwards, drink orange juice. Is there anything like that for acid as well?
How long should I hold the tabs under my tongue for? Should I let the paper dissolve, or swallow it?
@theskafish, I have heard all of what you said in that first part.
That being said, my friend actually fasted before taking Acid and he said it intensified the effect for him then as well. I usually place the tab under my tongue and keep it in my mouth for as long as possible. Honestly, the stuff is just trying to get to your brain quickly, so the glands under your tongue or your tongue, your throat or your tonsils…it’s all getting there eventually. I supposed the onset is faster from under the tongue, but I can’t imagine by much.
I really enjoyed shrooms as well. I vividly remember the first trips still and they were quite a while ago. I meditated before and listened to some very calming music when I was at the deepest point in my trip, I couldn’t tell the difference between my dreams and reality, I couldn’t tell if my eyes were open or closed. I had a profoundly spiritual experience and I think that I really felt the connection with the earth.
I found acid to be much more enjoyable overall. A friend stated this and I think its a great summary of the comparison which is that shrooms are not kind to detail whereas acid is. On acid, everyone was beautiful in an incredibly natural way but on shrooms I was hesitant to look at my friends faces because i could see every single imperfection and blemish magnified x 10. Despite a bit of a weird empty feeling after high the next day, acid left me with the lingering feeling that the world was more beautiful than I’d realized while after coming down from shrooms I felt like everything was just a little bit uglier than it had been than when I’d woken up that morning.
Also the wonderment I felt of acid was so connected, and I just wanted to show everything I was enjoying to all of my friends. I found shrooms to be intensely solitary, getting very protective and annoyed when a friend would try and come look at the drawing I was making or show me something.
I didnt have a bad trip on shrooms but I think it did get a little out of control. To a first time tripper i would recommend acid a hundred times over before shrooms.
I had the most annoying trips ever on acid.. the brain chatter is to intense for me and my thoughts never really seem to flow for me, they just never stop… it’s like listening to static radio for me, not that it can’t be fun, but it never made me feel different about life execpt, ‘whoa that was crazy’ ..
Shrooms for me a let my thoughts flow, I can think in depth on things, I can focus on things better than I can on acid, I like the visuals a lot better, not to mention laugh harder than I’ve ever laughed in my life, and really see myself for the creature I am… eat shrooms and go to a comedy show and you will have a great time i’m sure, you should be able to follow everything granted you don’t take to much… I took some gel tabs and watched the episode one of star wars in theators when it first came out.. I’ll never forget the experience, the sounds when they were racing those pods specifically.. I couldn’t even follow the plot tho I was totally lost…
that’s just me tho…
I think shrooms are more natural and thus have a Teacher aspect that I’m not sure is present while tripping acid. All natural psychoactive plants have the Teacher but acid, as a pure chemical, does not. I have felt a communication with a mushroom spirit that “shows” me things through my own thought processes and environment. This is not a conversation so much as a communion between a spirit of nature and the spirit of a conscious being. For example, if you were to try and ask it something, it would not answer and probably spurn such frivolity as meaningless nitpicking at the obvious perfection of the forces of nature. To commune with the shroom spirit is to listen and watch. If you feel a negative emotion, don’t repress or ignore it, just let it in and just watch what happens. You will probably be shown, as I was, something very profound about yourself and the universe.
I find that shrooms give more of a body high, as in feeling as though your are floating or underwater, while acid is more hallucinogenic and overwhelming in the clarity it bestows upon your mind. Both are fun, however if you want a new perspective on the world I would take acid.