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niknak_pattywac (@creativenik)01.18.2013 at 12:07 pm

Hi i’m nikki, and im new here. I recently became interested in buddhism. I meditate and read the rules of Buddhism but i dont feel like im “awaken”. I don’t know maybe im not doing something right or maybe its not yet in my heart, but i know this is something i really want, any advice?

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Ray (@nowscreamlouder)1 year, 3 months ago ago

The saying practice makes perfect is always true, even in this. I personally don’t think your gonna wake up one night and have it all down. All things take time

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Devon (@devonalixandra)1 year, 3 months ago ago

It comes in phases. Each day you’ll wake up a little more, everyday is a learning process regardless. You’ll see :)

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@creativenik, If you want to really become enlightened, you MUST drop the buddhism.

Buddhism is religion, religion is close-minded and delusive, it is a firm attachment.

What the Buddha taught, and what the buddhists teach, ARE VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Don’t listen to the buddhists, listen to the Buddha.

Buddhists are dumb and mislead people. Their teachings contradict those of the Buddha.

Just meditate, ponder, question, pay attention and FEEL. And you’ll see more and more clearly.
You won’t get there over night, it takes time and effort.

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DeepFriedFunk (@deepfriedfunk)1 year, 3 months ago ago

Enlightenment for most of us is very far off. I think first of all you should spend time on your motivation for becoming enlightened – all but the most noble motivations will lead us to enlightenment.

Deep down we all have something called inherent Buddha nature, it’s a case of clearing away all of the crap. The mind was described to me as the sky, with the clouds being the delusional thoughts that keep us in a cyclic existence.

Spending time meditating is a very good way to proceed. Don’t get too caught up in scriptures etc just learn as it comes and when it’s needed. Getting too caught up in the idea of becoming an enlightened being will hold you back from progression. Don’t even get too caught up in the idea of Buddhism as concrete. Test each new lesson learned and most of all keep up the sincere knowledge that you doing this practice for the benefit of all sentient beings.

For now – concentrate on the breath.

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ReflectingGod (@soulshine)1 year, 3 months ago ago

Just wanting to know, and understand it already means you are on the right path…
Enlightenment is the trust and comfort you have with your own life, your surroundings, the people around you. Its being able to recognize that if you’re on a computer typing on the internet, than you most likely have a swell life, so do not take anything for granted. Enlightenment means no pointless arguing and no pointless fighting. You are at peace with everyone and yourself. You don’t have to say a word to a person you disagree with unless you absolutely know that you are right. They can take all the time in the world to spit on your belief, but you just have to refuse and forgive them for what they don’t know. You should feel a sense of love for everything, and know in your mind when something is or feels truly right or wrong…Like Devon said, it comes in phases and different forms, its a never ending process until the day you die.

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niknak_pattywac (@creativenik)1 year, 3 months ago ago

Thank goodness i found this site, thank you all for your feed back it means alot. For the longest i’ve just been trying to find my self and really be happy and content with my life, i see and read about people who are just happy and have the amazing experiences and i want that like i really want to just feel like i can change the world or something. I just wanna to know that i have a purpose here like im not just another human put on the planet. Its good to know there are people and sites like this were i can come and learn and explore new things.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@creativenik, no one is enlightened. Its just a fake word people made up to express to others that they are smarter or more understanding of the world. If someone was truly enlightened, they would never say they were enlightened…because an enlightened person woyld ynderstand that there is always more questions to ask and more to learn. There is no point in knowledge where once you reach it, you are complete. There’s only one person on this sight I would even dare to say experiences some form of enlightenment and that’s martin the mod.

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Veggies4Lyfe (@iluvdamusic)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, I would recommend seeing if there is a sanctuary in your area. Just having other people practicing Buddhism and meditation together can be really meaningful and far more beneficial than going at it alone.
I’ve been meditating for a couple months now, but when you go to a group meditation it feels 50x better and you have more success on focusing.
And many fundamentals of Buddhism can be found throughout other texts, “The Power of Now” is practically a buddhist teaching in its self. I’m sure there are other to. Do you research and don’t be tied down to Buddhism, explore the world of becoming a better you. :)

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Chris (@seektruth)1 year, 3 months ago ago

I agree with a lot of what people have already said. As @yoinkie, says no one is enlightened. It’s just a word.
For years I meditated and thought of enlightenment as something in the future which I was striving for. I had experiences of what I would probably call enlightenment but it quickly fades and you go back to living your life.
The biggest realization for me was realising that enlightenment is only ever going to happen in the now. Stop making it into a goal and live your life. The mind wants to make it into something to achieve. Relax, try to live in the now and listen to your heart, that will help you experience moments of enlightenment during meditation.
I feel that you need to experience the teachings as I learnt in Vipassana meditation. You can read so many teachings but until you experience them, either in meditation or daily life they won’t be true to your heart.
There are some great podcasts on this topic.
I’m listening to the latest Buddha at the Gas pump podcast with Cesar Teruel at the moment, which is very interesting. Also I’ve recently come across Jeff Foster who is a great teacher on enlightenment and acceptance. His podcast with Sounds True is simple and very powerful. Google or find them on itunes.

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Wrong man, I’m sorry that’s just wrong. The word enlightenment is already a fallacy. Anything that can be spoken of it is already tainted if it comes out in words. That being said there is ‘enlightenment’ it’s just very different then what people conceptualize. Try explaining the color red to a blind man, that’s sort of how it is.

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@creativenik, Try reading up on the state of allowing. Maybe study a bit of non-duality and watch some Mooji videos. If you are truly passionate about achieving freedom and liberty then the path has already been set into place for you.

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madonna (@danfontaine)1 year, 3 months ago ago

Be cool.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@splashartist, So let me get this straight. There is enlightenment, but people just cant understand it yet. So how can something we cant conceuptualize exist, and how can you go about saying the its 100% undeniable that it exists, and anyone that say enlightened is just fake is wrong? Are you trying to prove me wrong with something that humans cant conceptualize but you are so positive it does exist? Im so confused.

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, People don’t understand it, even ‘enlightened’ masters. You can’t understand it as it goes beyond the realms of mental capability. You will know for a fact though through direct experience. And I know through direct experience. Im not trying to prove anything to who you think you are, maybe just give you something to ponder apon as i dont care about what your mind believes or disbelieves. No doubt in my mind, but the mind doesn’t matter. You are already ‘enlightened’, you’ve just forgotten this because you don’t know who you are. Find out who you really are and then you’ll find the the absolute truth.
Conceptualization does not equal direct experience. You can eat an apple and say its sweet but that doesn’t actually tell you what the apple tasted like unless it is again tasted. Sugar is sweet, chocolate is sweet, but they all taste different. Do you see what I mean? Your mind can only go so far and cannot comprehend what i speak of. Words are dual by nature and what i speak of is non dual. Your mind means nothing in this matter, it is what is holding you back. Believe what you will.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 3 months ago ago

Find who you are and understand that no one can understand who they are really.

No one makes any sense here. Even these guys:

“Know thyself” – Socrates
“Only the shallow know themselves.” – Oscar Wilde

This is so much fun I think I reached enlightenment.

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yoinkie (@yoinkie)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@splashartist, I guess I see what you’re trying to say, but ill stick to my theory that there is no sch thing. All we can do is learn more or think more or understand things in different ways. That doesn’t mean that if you do this you will reach an imaginary stage called enlightenment where everything will be more clear and raindrops will turn into candy. I’m thoroughly sick of people talkng about it so often. Its become sort of like a god complex. Enlightened people try to convince others of its existence but when they don’t believe they say things “you don’t understnad”. Just another made up word that people pyt far too much effort into. Just do your thing but don’t think there is a heavenesque way of being that you will reach. And yes, I know a whole lot about myself I spend a lot of my time learning me

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Chris (@seektruth)1 year, 3 months ago ago

I was just going to add what @splashartist said. You are already ‘enlightened’.
I love the teachings of Adyashanti and I always remember when I was driving listening to one of his talks and he said “you are what you are seeking”. Cut right into my mind. I remind myself of this when I find my mind seeking something in the future, like enlightenment.

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Wonderful! ‘you’ are always changing so you will always be finding yourself until the day you die. You are not who you think you are, this is meant literally.
Good luck on the illusionary path!
Cheers :)

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@seektruth, Yes, you are the truth. Once you know then the rest is a game. Nothing changes yet everything changes. It’s like a rope being snapped and the fog lifts. Unfortunately mine repaired itself, too much resistance yet in the mind. It will snap again though as it is weakened, hanging by a thread.

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Paul (@robek)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@creativenik, Can I tell you the secret to enlightenment? The secret to not suffering and understanding ultimate truth?
OK, here it is: There is no secret. The pinnacle of enlightenment is to realize you have been there the entire time.

“Nirvana is Suffering, and Suffering is Nirvana” ~Buddha

“We shall not cease in our exploration, and at the end of all our exploring, we shall arrive were we started, and know the place for the first time.” ~T.S. Elliot

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backcase (@backcase)1 year, 3 months ago ago

@creativenik, Jesus said, “Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.” – Gospel of Thomas

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DeepFriedFunk (@deepfriedfunk)1 year, 3 months ago ago

Shakyamuni never actually explained his conscious experience of enlightenment. Whilst we are still at the mercy of our own karma – full of attachment, fear and ignorance it would be impossible to even comprehend the beauty and clarity of the state of enlightenment.

It is a complete detachment from our worldly behavior and the destruction of the concept of a labelled “I”. It is a fundamental shift in consciousness to which there is no going back and through my understanding impossible to comprehend within our current mental capacity.

So far as “glimpses” of enlightenment… I’m not sure this would be possible. Once you have realized the true nature of the mind there is no going back. I think these may have been moments of clarity, seeing the mind as it is – peaceful, empty and present, fully aware of the here and now – a short glimpse into letting go of all our worldly baggage.

Because I believe in reincarnation, I also believe that meeting the Dharma in this life was no accident – especially in the West. Finding a good teacher and sangha (community), I believe there must have been some Dharma practice in a previous life, hence why i was drawn to it.

One of my favorite teachers, Geshe Tashi, when we were chanting and praying said that it did not matter that some of us were struggling, because we had met such a pure form of the Dharma in England that he was almost certain we had sat down together before in meditation and prayer.

The fundamental teachings of the four noble truths I think are the most important thing to read and meditate on. Every time you peel away one layer, realize something only to be confronted with another obstacle in the mind deeper than the last, you are slowly turning the knowledge of the subject into wisdom, true understanding.

It’s a long road to enlightenment, i think better thought of as in how many lifetimes rather than searching for some fast track path in this one. Each life that you live compassionately brings you a step closer to the ultimate goal.

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zowie (@zowie)1 year, 3 months ago ago

obtaining enlightenment: by not thinking about it at all. knowing you already have it.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 2 months ago ago

“Good luck on the illusionary path!” You have got to be kidding me. @splashartist,

You make good points but the way you word those points lack clarity sometimes. I was thinking about explaining things to a six years old and if they could understand it.

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Nick (@splashartist)1 year, 2 months ago ago

@beyond, totally! If I stirred you up a bit ask yourself why. They are just words. If something is taken to offence then it must be such for a reason.
You can’t clarify something that is non dual through words without direct experience, it simply cannot be done. your mind will probably just get frusterated with my words in the end. Cheers :)

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