Aging Populations and Immigration

2 years, 5 months ago

While in discussion on this thread it has been brought up, so I decided that a new thread would preserve the integrity of that one, by not taking it off topic.

In developed nations, it seems that population growth is dwindling, with even some countries such as Germany and Japan, two of the most advanced nations in the world, even achieving negative population growth. This is a strange thing to consider because they can afford big families. “We can afford 10 kids, honey, I know, let’s have none”
Then you have developing nations which have terrible poverty and poor education “We can’t afford to feed the kids we have, I know, let’s have more”
Both of these out-comes sound completely ridiculous but it is the fact of the matter. As developed nations age, with smaller younger generations behind them, it is incredibly hard to take care of the elders. They are invalid, broken of either mind or body, or both, and it becomes a struggle to support them.
The idea is that we take people from over-populated nations, from their 3rd world conditions, and balance the aging populations that way. But there are issues with this that will no doubt be discussed here. So we don’t want kids to spend our money but the alternative is letting immigrants in to spend our money, are we self-defeatists or what?

August 28, 2012 at 1:13 am

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Profile photo of Prittii Prittii (@prittii) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@trek79, Ray, as I told you, I have a point to that!

It’s already happening! Although many women from developed nations opt for a career and not having children, it seems that many of the men are still into the “old school” family style. They find the perfect solution in the developing countries, where many women still wish having a family and children.

In Europe a lot of men get married to women from Thailand, China, Brazil and Eastern Europe. That’s a way society found to keep balance… The children from this couples will most likely to keep the father’s culture background, balance population and create a stronger gene heritage.

Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@prittii, Yes, that was one of the issues, that a population replaced by immigrants means a threat to the standing culture of that nation, because the native population would be shrinking. The immigrant cultures would become more and more influential. But that is only true if all your immigrants are of the same culture.
Australia is a huge immigrant country and this is the trend I notice. The actual immigrants come here, un-willing or un-able to change their cultural ways of where they come from, but they are mindful and respectful of the ways here. So they usually cause no friction, they just live in two world, the Australian society and their home.
Of course some come here that are from a country that if they spoke ill of while there, they would have been executed, so now they are free to say whatever they want, they make up for lost time. But that usually regards the problems here, but that’s okay because not whinging is un-Australian, culturally Australians complain about everything, so such people are just trying to fit in, but a lot of us respond by saying “If you don’t like it GO HOME!!!”
Then you have their children, born here or at least raised here from a young age. As I said, these too are living in two worlds, the society and the home with the immigrant culture. Well, this causes them much confusion and they turn out as quite agitated young adults. This is where I think we go wrong because we fight against segregated schools in our communities, but that is exactly what we need.
That sounds bad to bring back segregation but the thing with Australia is we have segregated communities, Campbelltown is Vietnamese, Redfern is Aboriginal, Marickville is Greek, Lakemba is Lebanese, Bankstown is Islander/Kiwi, Blacktown is, well…African. All these people are free to interact but after all is said and done they return to their neighbourhoods of culturally likemindedness. They did that themselves, they all wanted to be with their own kind and so the new coming in gravitate toward those places.
But this is good because they know what special needs their children have, things that are neglected in mixed schools, problem childs come out of mixed schools, not segregated ones. People should realize that around the world. Australia is multicultural, it is a melting pot, but it works because we know our boundaries, we have little trouble to speak of and what we do have is the result putting people in environments that present cultural conflict.

Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

Sorry, Cabramatta is Vietnamese, not Campbelltown. Also my dad tells me that although Marickville was very Greek in the 50’s and 60’s, now it has had an influx of Vietnamese. He also says that Surry Hills has a high Indian population.

Profile photo of Prittii Prittii (@prittii) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@trek79, Yes! I agree it’s better stay in community. That’s what happened also in Brazil in the past, but by the third generation the people mixed up completely. I actually have a friend Japanese descent that says she doesn’t care at all for her background… she says she is Brazilian and doesn’t feel even 1% Japanese.

I think Australia seems to be ok with the immigration system. Germany is another history! It’s disturbing! I think 10% of the population is Turkish.

Watch this:

I have nothing against Turkish people… I have actually lots of Turkish friends! But here in Germany they make trouble! It seems that the poorest uneducated Turkish people come to live here! The worst areas in Germany are where they made their communities… the most violent and dirty. Also people from other Islamic countries all over Europe.

The main problem is that a lot of them have a terrible, terrible, terrible point of view about women! In Norway the number of rapes are growing extremely… and from every 4 rapes, 3 are foreigner against Norwegian women… When I was in Oslo I had the (unfortunate) experience of dealing with the Arabs there. My cousin (16 years old!) was constantly harassed in Paris by Arabic men… they even touched her bottom! She was so scared and hurt! Not a good experience in a teenager girl holiday!

What I don’t understand is why they do this here in Europe, but in Brazil they are all normal? So many Brazilian women actually fancy Lebanese and Turkish men… because they have a special charm: the foreigner plus. But here in Europe they are so strange!

I wonder if they feel left out, discriminated… I don’t know!

Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 5 months ago ago

@shaniquaaa, I actually knew this was on tonight, I watched some of it and made a comment on the website. But yeah, I couldn’t get the tv when it was on, but it goes for 3 days so I can check it out. I may be able to watch the 1st one online somewhere. But I watch Insight all the time, if you don’t then I suggest you do, it is one of the best shows on tv. Insight and a show called Media Watch are good shows.

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