All this intelligence.

3 years ago

And what are we doing with it? I think these are some amazingly intelligent people. But we are wasting it. How are we improving the world we live in? We could be doing so much more, especially united. HE is amazing. Why can’t we focus our efforts and make a difference? I’m not talking on a personal level, on a global level, why can’t we make an impact? I believe we can. If everyone was to apply themselves to a united goal, how could we be stopped? Politics? We can out think those silly politicians. How is what we know, about food, about life, about meditation, not reaching the other 99%? I dont know how anyone else feels, But I want to spread, this.. awareness. This, reality, that you dont need a 9-5 to be successful. What happened to living life while you are still young?

December 17, 2011 at 4:17 am

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years ago ago

Word. My suggestion is to do organized large scale graffiti.

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I like graffiti.

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Profile photo of Megan Wilson Megan Wilson (@poefan2490) 3 years ago ago

Actually graffiti and street art sound like completely logical ways to disseminate this information.
As to why this kind of information isn’t reaching the other 99%, I think it’s because the information is falling on deaf ears. Or perhaps more accurately unseeing eyes. I am astounded by how brain washed some people are. I can show them proof of something, and they still believe the lies they were told as children. A lot of people’s perceptions in this world are warped. So how can we get them to see clearly again? I certainly don’t know all the answers or have all the means to effect a change, but it’s not going to keep me from trying.

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Profile photo of Kyle Kyle (@ghimsapper) 3 years ago ago

How is organized large scale graffiti going to help? How is this a logical way to disseminate information?

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years ago ago

Okay then Kyle, let’s make youtube videos.

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years ago ago

I think organized large scale graffiti would be kick ass. It would be like crop circles every time they hit. News coverage and the whole works. They would convey some powerful message or instruction for the people and the effort could potentially snowball into some anonymous force people can believe in and feel part of.

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years ago ago

Really large shit.

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Profile photo of Kyle Kyle (@ghimsapper) 3 years ago ago

But what scale of information can you spread? Buzzwords and catchphrases that do little to inform, but rather inflame peoples passions. What kind of information would you spread that is informing on this large scale? I’m not trying to be obstinate I just don’t get how graffiti is going to help at all and what exactly you want to spread with this means. Also, where would you put this graffiti?

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Bomb all day.

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Profile photo of Peter De Peter De (@peacefulwarrior) 3 years ago ago

Beyond spreading awareness. If everyone on here at the same time focused on a single goal or outcome, there’s evidence that it can really make a difference. Thoughts are things, and sometimes it’s all you have.

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Profile photo of Kyle Kyle (@ghimsapper) 3 years ago ago

Everyone focusing on one goal would certainly push for major change, but what sort of pushes could we make? I mean what sort of things would you have this community try and change?

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Profile photo of Eric Eric M (@blankey) 3 years ago ago

I agree with Kyle. I don’t think large scale graffiti is going to spark any change. I like the idea of spreading the message, but there must be another way. In fact, what we are using right now is a great source for spreading knowledge. It only takes a matter of days or possibly even hours for millions of people to see the same thing or obtain the same information. Of course, usually this involves something around the caliber of a cute cat or a white guy who raps fast, however, I believe people are beginning to slowly wake up. Politics and governments around the world are being exposed of their corruption which are seen through occupy protests that have now gone global. There are no secrets with the internet.

With the spreading of knowledge via the internet, the rate of technology is accelerating. It is increasing at an exponential rate, and soon it will pass us by and leave us in the dust if we do not commune with it. This will be our change; this will cause those blind folds to finally be taken off.

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Profile photo of John OMallen John OMallen (@omallen) 3 years ago ago

Propaganda…that educates the public instead of trying to persuade them?
Maybe we could make a printable PDF?

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Profile photo of Michael Michael (@mikey) 3 years ago ago

Maybe put acid in everyone’s drinking water so they can get on our level of thinking. :)

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years ago ago

Most people here are all theory and no action, it’s a total waste of intelligence. Intelligence is worth only as much as the actions it leads to.

If you waste your time doing pointless shit like watching tv or playing videogames, if you lead an unhealthy lifestyle, if you let yourself get pushed around, if you’re a negative bitch etc. etc. Then you really aren’t very intelligent, because those are some fucking dumb choices.

If you don’t act on your thoughts, they have no value whatsoever. “Sad” but true.

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Profile photo of Nishu Nishu (@nishu) 3 years ago ago

Rather than spread information via graffiti and street art, why not look to create organizations or NGO’s aimed towards achieving specific goals? i.e. Education reform, meditation retreats, informational websites.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years ago ago

Information doesn’t mean shit if you don’t do anything, spreading information isn’t much of an action.

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Profile photo of Megan Wilson Megan Wilson (@poefan2490) 3 years ago ago

Great, so now that we’ve realized that information means nothing if people aren’t going to do anything. What are we going to do about what’s going on? Supporting NGOs and being an active part of them certainly helps, but are the ones in existence sufficient? Should we come up with a new one specifically suited to what we want to achieve, or can one that’s already in place be used? I know most of us have been taught and brainwashed to sit idly by, but we really shouldn’t be.
As to the graffiti thing: Images often are more influential than words, and if they are put in places where people would frequently see them, they can be very effective. Also, incorporated within the artwork, or right next to it, could be a summary of what the image is portraying and some sort of tip or way to become involved in a movement that will actively be working towards change. In this respect, I think it could be very useful in certain areas (i.e. cities). NGOs are great, but people also have to be aware of their existence and know about what they are trying to do in the first place if they are ever going to gain momentum.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years ago ago

I wasn’t going to post on this thread, but since I made it, I might as well respond to what is being said. I am honestly disgusted at HE. I say that in a loving way, but it’s sad how far off most of you are. You really think you can make a difference by sitting on wall street? Really?.. I mean. Really? Are you fucking kidding me? You want to make a difference. Make millions, and millions of dollars, and then lobby. Lobby to make a difference. Crush an unconstitutional bill. Open a homeless shelter. I hate to say it, but money can do amazing things. Plain and simple. We have so many potential CEO’s and future politicians. Why can’t we do something with it? And if you honestly think you can change the world without money, go ahead. Try. I live in the world we created, I live by the rules that are here. I don’t assume I am better than the rules imposed on anyone else because I trip acid, pop some E or meditate, that’s great. But what the fuck have you changed in that amount of time? How many people have you impacted? Let me ask you the reverse. Who have the lobbyist impacted? Who have the fortune 500 companies impacted? The world is the answer. And yes. This is rude and angry, but why shouldn’t it be? You honestly think that you are that much smarter than the man in the suit? He is just as smart as you are. Just as motivated. Just as “enlightened”.. Stop under-estimating the opposition. They have lasted this long for a reason, they have money, they have power. If you want to make a change, follow in their footsteps. Become a CEO. You have to delve into the scum that runs this world to make a change. Until then, I still look upon this site with pity. All talk, no actions..

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Profile photo of Kyle Kyle (@ghimsapper) 3 years ago ago

@Manimal I can understand how you would see that merely spreading information is a step behind actually doing something. Where as action means change, information, or the exchange of information, is just a prelude to doing something. This is where people tend to fall short, but in many instances isn’t awareness something that needs to be spread? On many issues simply talking to people can lead them to change. Making people aware issues, or asking them to put forth effort. If I ask someone who just threw there garbage on the ground to pick it up, it has an effect.

Yes, theory can fall short of action interns of quantitative change, but many times appropriate action requires time spent in theory. Action would be wild without the time spent on theory to determine the most effective and effective means of action.

I will not deny that many people, myself included at times, spends all there time in theory and none on action, but to say theory is wasteful I feel lacks understanding. The important part of the theory to action equation should be figuring out how to get the actions to rise out of the theory.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 3 years ago ago

@Kyle Information isn’t awareness, nor is it actual knowledge. If you give someone some information, they can choose to believe or disbelieve. This isn’t a matter of awareness or knowledge, but only belief. Convincing someone doesn’t make them aware of anything, it only gives them a belief.

Actions don’t rise out of theory, actions rise out of will and desire, nothing else. You can’t raise your desire or will with theories. You just do things, theory doesn’t make you do anything, theory is only understanding and belief and nothing else.

Information doesn’t raise awareness. Actions do, and so does your own awareness. You affect others, due to something called mirror neurons, this means people will match your level of awareness and state of mind. This is how you really influence people to do good things. BE the change you want to see in this world. And don’t make excuses, if you have a goal you go out and achieve it and don’t let anything come in your way. NO excuses.

What are you telling the world when you don’t follow through? You’re telling everyone to not follow through. Whatever you do, you’re telling everyone to mimic. We lead by example, all of us. Don’t be a reactive fool, just go out there and show the world how it’s done. You’re either reactive or proactive, if you’re reactive you don’t get shit done. Period. You gotta shut the worldly bullshit out when you’re doing stuff. FOCUS.

Don’t believe me? Just go out and observe the behavior of people, observe their reactions to what you do, and observe your own reactions to your surroundings. Whatever you do, you’re influencing the rest of the world to do the same. No excuses.

Have fun :D

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Profile photo of Kyle Kyle (@ghimsapper) 3 years ago ago

@Manimal firstly, I believe we have definitional differences on words.

I have a few questions if you don’t mind.

How do you become aware of something without some form of information gathering or sense perception? Yes someone becomes aware of something through my actions, but how did the first person become aware? How do I get the guy next door to turn his music down? If by action then what? Keep mine down as an example? Perhaps going over there, but you must speak and relay your thoughts and ideas through communication to the neighbor which is a process of information exchange.

How do you determine what actions to take? Are these not guided by your thoughts, feelings, emotions? I can see that separating the distance between thought and action is important, but without a rational or even irrational thought processes or mechanism to direct your actions they are frayed and failing to impart anything since they are based on nothing. And to guide those actions I need an understanding (this was my usage of theory) of what action I want to take, what is important to me, what influence I want to have and to be able to reassess the effectiveness of that influence.

I am reading some studies now on mirror neurons so I can not comment yet on them, but I will say that the leading example of this is all in motor cortex and mimicry of facial gestures and physical movement. But even if this was all on the up and up for the “theory of mind” I still don’t quite understand. So my actions influences other peoples thoughts, this I can see, but how do my actions lead to a matched state of mind? This is not as apparent to me. How does me stopping to help a guy with a flat tire lead to other people stopping to help this guy with a flat tire? Maybe this is too specific. I have an actual example from my apartment building. My wife and I recycle as much as possible and then some, have been for 3 years at this building. No one else does in the building. I am actively recycling, and tell everyone I know to do it if they don’t, and I’m just not seeing the change. Doesn’t it seem that people have more to there actions then me setting the example?

Lastly, I really don’t understand how information isn’t knowledge. That just totally eludes me. All units of measure are information and knowledge. If I told you that the back door was 6 feet tall after I just measured it, sure your can believe or disbelieve, but does that make it less so, does that information not also mean knowledge of the door? Perhaps this is to conventional. I can see that as humans the information we have may not be actual knowledge, but that doesn’t mean that this pine tree doesn’t have knowable properties that I can obtain in a variety of fashions. And in learning these properties (information) I can better determine how to act upon it, i.e. cut it down, carry it, display it, etc.

I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from, perhaps we are just looking at the situation similarly, but using different words.

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Profile photo of Peter De Peter De (@peacefulwarrior) 3 years ago ago

Thinking and even more so feeling is vital to our expansion as individuals. There’s a been a lot of talk right now as people are just beginning to realize how many things on a grand (societal/governmental) scale there are that they don’t agree with.

It will take time for people to focus and find their inspiration for action. I really feel like we’re on the edge of something, but forced action for the actions sake wont get anyone far.

I’m a big believer in leading by small examples and working your way up always feeling for what feels good and going with it. If anything, small random acts of kindness give people hope or even a sense of relief that the world really is a good place. And that’s an amazing feeling.

I don’t want to take life so seriously, leave that for the politicians.

I don’t know if anything I said is completely relevant. But that’s my 2 cents.

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Profile photo of Megan Wilson Megan Wilson (@poefan2490) 3 years ago ago

@James Some of us have difficulty earning the money necessary overnight. ;) I certainly have plans I’m working on, though these are constantly changing and evolving the more I learn. Though it is true, I see people trying to affect the world in very different ways, some more successful than others. While I love the ideas of NGOs and frequently try to support them, I do realize that you often have to fight fire with fire to be effective in any way. I’m just not sure how soon I want to sink down into the mire pit, but here’s to hoping I don’t get completely corrupted along the way.

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Profile photo of Dan Dan (@danfontaine) 3 years ago ago

I actually just don’t give a big enough shit about this country to quit whatever the fuck I was doing to become a CEO so I can spend money lobbying.

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