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There_Is_No_Box (@thereisnobox)    3 years, 8 months ago

Does anyone have any opinions on the ancient astronaut theories that extraterrestrials have visited this planet in the distant past and helped us jump start our current intelligent existence? Anyone watch the history channel series Ancient Aliens? I’d like to see what others think on these theories – I think there is too much evidence to be ignored.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)3 years, 8 months ago ago

Is there evidence that can not be explained by other theories, because then Occam’s razor would apply? And what would be the motives?

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There_Is_No_Box (@thereisnobox)3 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t know of any other theories besides the ones presented by researchers such as Erich Von Daniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Zecharia Sitchen, Michael Cremo, Graham Hancock and the like. Basically, its the study of ancient texts and earth anomalies to determine the meaning and reason for their existences. The texts, places and items or subject to interpretation which brings about the theories. Don’t know what you mean my ‘motive’ though.

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Syn.Ther. (@luna)3 years, 8 months ago ago

I think Martijn means the motive of the “aliens” to put us here as some kind of sick experiment ;)

I mean sure anything is possible, the building blocks for life are found throughout the universe and we don’t even know where it ends so maybe.

If we are the odd part of the equation on this planet, perhaps we are all alien…

Would explain the behavior of some ;) in the mean time MIB2.01 anyone?

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There_Is_No_Box (@thereisnobox)3 years, 8 months ago ago

Hard to say what the motive would be since their existence hasn’t been broadcast to the entire planet. One part of theory is that we were genetically altered by different races of alien species which brought humans out of a ‘neanderthal’ type existence and into an alien-human hybrid intelligent being which we are today. Their motive could possibly be that this planet has great potential to be a strong spiritual existence in the universe, Until we can crack the entire human genetic code or these being make themselves known to us and tell the whole story we are stuck with theories at this point. The ‘missing link’ between the intelligent design and the Darwin evolutionary theory may lie somewhere in this theory as well. Darwin himself proclaimed he never truly had the entire evolution pattern figured out and knew something was ‘missing’….something to ponder

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)3 years, 8 months ago ago

Well, there is another theory for that which says evolution is not a slow gradual process as many people think but that it comes in huge bursts, when environmental pressures are so high everything evolves more quickly. So in this case, Occam’s razor should apply. There hasn’t been any evidence for non-earth genes/technology/anything else. Also, there are competing theories (like psychedelics) that could also have transformed us about 60,000 years ago. Darwin knew almost nothing of the evidence we know now, and we know ALOT more than, for example, creationists claim we do.

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Syn.Ther. (@luna)3 years, 8 months ago ago

in theory there is no difference between theory and reality – in reality there is.

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There_Is_No_Box (@thereisnobox)3 years, 8 months ago ago

Martijn –

There is plenty of evidence all around the world that can’t be explained. I suggest you study the items like antikytheria device, the piri reis map, baghdad batttery, cystal skulls etc and places like the Egyptian pyramids, Puma Punku, Markawasi etc. The When you study these items and places carefully there is plenty to question. For example Puma Punku ruins in Bolivia (dated thousands of years ago) – The stone remnants left there are made of diorite (The only stone harder is diamond) and the grooves in these stones are perfectly straight and interlock with each other. No way a stone age culture could have done this with their tools and lack of mathematical skills. And how did they quarry these stones and transfer them? How could they have possibly mined diamond? There HAS to be another explanation. When you study ancient texts from all around the world that claim that ‘gods’ and ‘angels’ came down from heaven in fiery chariots and had sex with their women and showed them new technology you have to conclude something.

And lets not forget Area 51, Bob Lazar, Travis Walton, Benny and Barney Hill and all the thousands and thousands of UFO sightings and alien encounters all over the world. You can’t just ignore these people.

The researchers I mentioned have done phenomenal work. Start there. Theres plenty of evidence you probably never heard of.

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Anonymous (@)3 years, 7 months ago ago

i have watched some of the history channels AA series…and i am thinking there is some truth behind what is being presented…even Edgar Casey spoke of dna testing which created humans…

right now; i am pondering the idea…in 2012…space ships will come to earth to provide passage to those who have earned it…before the earth goes through the next magnetic flip…i have no proof this will actually happen…it is just something i have been thinking about since watching the above series :D

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Duke Mabirou (@dozmaster)3 years, 6 months ago ago

All I have to say is that I would be more comfortable knowing that I was alien to earth than the traditional evolutionist theory. Every other being that earth has provided for itself to reside on it’s beautiful nature filled landscapes has helped it or supported it in some way. We are the only species that control and destroy our environment coinciding with our existence, and we are killing the the very planet that allows us to exist. It’d make more sense for us to be dropped from somewhere else than for us to be made by earth itself…
at least.
It’d help me sleep better at night. ._. -Shiro.

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WillyTheKid (@willythekid)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@thereisnobox,

It blows my mind people overlook the mystery behind the construction of these ancient structures. People had stone carving/ cutting lasers thousands of years ago, no big deal.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Here is a guy single handedly re-creating stonehenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQBDhkBfr0

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 7 months ago ago

With his bare hands too.

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Jesusbob (@jesusbob)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@willythekid, A number of these ancient structures have been explained in modern times, and even re-created using ancient methods. In fact, I cannot think of one ancient structure that cannot be explained. Some of them are insanely difficult tasks (materials needed for the structures needed to be transported over very large distances) and monumental in their building time frames, but all have more reasonable explanations than Aliens.

I am all for aliens being a possibility, but saying they had a hand in building anything on this planet is just too far fetched when there exists even a remote probability that ancient cultures COULD of build these structures.

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vishnu (@vizznou)2 years, 7 months ago ago

thanks Martijn, amazing video!… the video in that link is faulty though.. here’s the same video that works… got it from its ccomments

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 7 months ago ago

It stands to reason that aliens would plant primitive but intelligent life on a planet, especially if they are lacking in themselves, that they can see the progresses that we make and adopt innovations to their advantage. But not just scientific but all kinds of advances we make in social, political, emotional, humanitarian but I think that the biggest motivation for aliens to do this is our imaginations. Culture, art, fiction all these artistic things are invaluable. The entertainment value, not from watching us suffer, but what we create of it all. No doubt they would be unlike their own culture.
But this does not explain the existence of material life, well on our planet maybe, but these aliens had to evolve from the dirt, as our theories go, or the aliens that planted those aliens on their planet. At some point life spawned from the inanimate, and if such a thing could only be orchestrated by intelligence then such an intelligence would not be material in nature. You are then looking at evolved energy, or something metaphysical, or it is all just a fluke.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@vizznou, Thanks Vishnu, I edited my post with the right link.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 7 months ago ago

“You can’t just ignore these people.”

Sure you can. People who’ve already convinced themselves of something as being fact are as useful as people who burnt witches in the Dark Ages.

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There_Is_No_Box (@thereisnobox)2 years, 7 months ago ago

So…..While this guy came up with a very clever way of standing up one block on end, he used it by constructing a wooden structure using steel bolts and lumber from a modern sawmill. Next i would like to see him raise a horizontal block on top of 2 vertical blocks….all using technology from thousands of years ago, not modern stuff…I’m not convinced at all.

@jesusbob – “In fact, I cannot think of one ancient structure that cannot be explained”

Research Puma Punku, this has baffled traditional modern archaelogists since it was discovered. The stones there are cut to precise 90 degree angles with 90 degree interior cuts – all of which are very smooth that can only be replicated on modern machining equipment (research Christopher Dunn) The ‘H’ blocks are made from diorite – an extremely hard rock that can only be cut by diamond tipped tools. There are many of these ‘H’ blocks at the site and all of them are exactly the same and interlock with each other. There was no wood to transport these stones, since the site lies several thousand feet above the top of the tree lines, let alone no one can figure out where the stones came from in the first place. Even more astounding is the fact that the site is in almost complete ruins, with pieces of the blocks scattered everywhere – it literally looks like there was an explosion.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/boliviapumapunka.htm

Now there are a couple explanations – either these stone aged people had very advanced technology that was somehow lost (the tools or records have not been found) or they had help from another advanced society (aliens). It is NOT too far fetched at all…there are billions and billions and billions of planets and stars out in this universe – we know very very very very very little about any of them – to think that we are the only intelligent species in this uni/multiverse is both ignorant and arrogant. We are confined to what we know on this planet only, which is incredibly minute.

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@thereisnobox, The fact that we can’t explain them completely and don’t have evidence how exactly they constructed their doesn’t imply that it must have been aliens, where there’s is even less evidence for. (We know humans lived in those temples, not aliens, so occam’s razer still applies). Saying it must have either been highly advanced humans or aliens, and that by implying it isn’t the former it must be the latter is a false dichotomy. It might have been humans with not advanced technology (genetically we haven’t changed that much in the last 50,000 years, so don’t underestimate them), it might have been giraffes.

And, another problem, saying aliens did it raises tons of new, unanswering, questions. Why did they visit them? Why didn’t they leave any other trace? Why don’t they contact us now? Why is the structure in ruins now when Aliens constructed it?

Also, you are straw manning. Nobody denied the existence of aliens, to do that is indeed arrogant/ignorant. We are skeptical of saying that old civilisations were visited by aliens. That’s a whole different matter.

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That show is so full of bull shit and pseudo science that I can’t take it even a little bit seriously.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 7 months ago ago

How far have we come? Farming 3000 years ago, writing 2500 years ago, a musket 300 years ago, a long range tactical 5 kiloton nuclear weapon with cobalt casing 20 years ago, an Attari 2600 30 years ago world wide web what 10-15 years ago? If you are talking about 50,000 years of humanity, 3000 years is less than a tenth of that time (I’m no mathematician).
So why can’t it be possible that humans had a level of technology before our recorded history? Because there is no evidence? Well there seems to be enough evidence to presume alien influence. Humans have gone through eras where they destroyed their advances beyond trace before. I think the Nazis burned books, but that is an example of the fear or animousity technology can arouse.

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Christian (@christian92)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@martijn,

Let’s assume the case that aliens helped them somehow in order to answer these questions:

Why did they visit them? – That would be very difficult to answer now, maybe to help them evolve or whatever.

Why didn’t they leave any other trace? – There are enough traces(mostly ancient ruins where something is odd) Or what about an atomic blast 8000 years ago? http://www.rense.com/general3/8000.htm At least enough traces to know that something is really very odd, and that our current understanding of the past is not the truth.

Why don’t they contact us now? – How do you know they don’t? Most people just assume that it would be shown in the media if they contacted us, what about some secret connection? Maybe they just observe and help without us noticing so that we can evolve naturally (it would be of no use if they helped us, we have to learn ourselves, even if it’s sometimes hard. If they gave us their technology now, nothing good would come out)

Why is the structure in ruins now when Aliens constructed it? – I don’t understand why you would ask this, why should a structure built by Aliens be indestructible? Even our structures today aren’t indestructible. 2000 years are a lot of time to destroy buildings.

Just to get you thinking…

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Martijn Schirp (@martijn)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@christian92, I can’t find any source for your claims. Just some scientist says something on some city. Do you have a source that shows it was a atomic blast?

When I tell you pink elephants made it, but they blew themselves up and now they are gone. They are still living under the earth, and only contact elephant people. They helped us with agriculture, but now their power is waning and they can’t really help us anymore.

Will you believe me? If not, why not? And why can’t those arguments used against the alien theory? Because all you are providing now are false dichotomies. (Not being able to explain something, doesn’t imply alien did it, it implies we can’t explain it.)

That said, the only people who think it can’t be explained are coincidentally also people who believe in the aliens…)

Just to get you thinking :)

And, as I said many times before, I want it to be aliens, it would be totally cool, I just don’t see any reason believing it, because all I see is wishfull thinking, not critical investigation of the facts.

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Christian (@christian92)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@martijn, You have some valid points, and you misunderstood my position in this argument. I never said I believe aliens did it, I only assumed that in my post in order to answer those questions (from that perspective), thus getting you to think about that from another perspective.
I know those ancient “wonders” can’t be explained. I also think we underestimate our ancestors.
It’s just that I, like you, want it to be aliens because that would be fucking awesome.
And no, I don’t have a reliable source for that atomic blast thing. But what makes a source reliable? Even our government isn’t reliable and lies and tells fairy tales. You never really now the whole truth until you go look for yourself.

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Jesusbob (@jesusbob)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@martijn, Giraffes did it you say….hmmm. I like your thinking!

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