Ancient Astronaut Theory?
Does anyone have any opinions on the ancient astronaut theories that extraterrestrials have visited this planet in the distant past and helped us jump start our current intelligent existence? Anyone watch the history channel series Ancient Aliens? I’d like to see what others think on these theories – I think there is too much evidence to be ignored.
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Yes, truth is bound to time and place, or, it’s just a different perspective.
Yes that was what I meant. Perfectly summed up :) One thing which I really like about Nietzsche is that you can never know truth, you can only become truthfull. That is to say, you can be true to your own truth, and you embody it, you are it in a sense.
How far have we come? Farming 3000 years ago, writing 2500 years ago, a musket 300 years ago, a long range tactical 5 kiloton nuclear weapon with cobalt casing 20 years ago, an Attari 2600 30 years ago world wide web what 10-15 years ago? If you are talking about 50,000 years of humanity, 3000 years is less than a tenth of that time (I’m no mathematician).
So why can’t it be possible that humans had a level of technology before our recorded history? Because there is no evidence? Well there seems to be enough evidence to presume alien influence. Humans have gone through eras where they destroyed their advances beyond trace before. I think the Nazis burned books, but that is an example of the fear or animousity technology can arouse.
Is there any evidence at all for alien interaction in these instances? I haven’t been able to find anything in my research of these cases that people have pointed out. Are they amazing? Absolutely. Baffling? Of course. But to make the leap from inability to understand to alien intervention seems a bit much. To me that’s no different than the creationist assuring themselves of God because they cannot understand our origins. Or not understanding how David Copperfield and Criss Angel do their tricks, and concluding that they must really possess magic.
I’m not saying it clearly wasn’t aliens, just that I haven’t seen it, if there is evidence please link me, I’d love to see it.
Let’s assume the case that aliens helped them somehow in order to answer these questions:
Why did they visit them? – That would be very difficult to answer now, maybe to help them evolve or whatever.
Why didn’t they leave any other trace? – There are enough traces(mostly ancient ruins where something is odd) Or what about an atomic blast 8000 years ago? http://www.rense.com/general3/8000.htm At least enough traces to know that something is really very odd, and that our current understanding of the past is not the truth.
Why don’t they contact us now? – How do you know they don’t? Most people just assume that it would be shown in the media if they contacted us, what about some secret connection? Maybe they just observe and help without us noticing so that we can evolve naturally (it would be of no use if they helped us, we have to learn ourselves, even if it’s sometimes hard. If they gave us their technology now, nothing good would come out)
Why is the structure in ruins now when Aliens constructed it? – I don’t understand why you would ask this, why should a structure built by Aliens be indestructible? Even our structures today aren’t indestructible. 2000 years are a lot of time to destroy buildings.
Just to get you thinking…
@christian92, I can’t find any source for your claims. Just some scientist says something on some city. Do you have a source that shows it was a atomic blast?
When I tell you pink elephants made it, but they blew themselves up and now they are gone. They are still living under the earth, and only contact elephant people. They helped us with agriculture, but now their power is waning and they can’t really help us anymore.
Will you believe me? If not, why not? And why can’t those arguments used against the alien theory? Because all you are providing now are false dichotomies. (Not being able to explain something, doesn’t imply alien did it, it implies we can’t explain it.)
That said, the only people who think it can’t be explained are coincidentally also people who believe in the aliens…)
Just to get you thinking :)
And, as I said many times before, I want it to be aliens, it would be totally cool, I just don’t see any reason believing it, because all I see is wishfull thinking, not critical investigation of the facts.
I don’t know of any other theories besides the ones presented by researchers such as Erich Von Daniken, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Zecharia Sitchen, Michael Cremo, Graham Hancock and the like. Basically, its the study of ancient texts and earth anomalies to determine the meaning and reason for their existences. The texts, places and items or subject to interpretation which brings about the theories. Don’t know what you mean my ‘motive’ though.
Just started watching Ancient Aliens, gotta say, not that impressed so far. They seem to use the word “proof” rather liberally. They also appear to have this sort of linear, if that’s the word I’m thinking of, view of intelligence and technology. As if it were unbelievable that a past civilization may have been more intelligent than us, or have technology that was more efficient than ours. I get that a lot of the stuff is mind boggling and unknown, but I have still yet to see ‘proof’ of alien intervention. It’s not that it wouldn’t be awesome if it were true, because it would, I would love for that to be the answer. But they haven’t shown that it is, and until then I think a healthy dose of skepticism will serve us well.
@willythekid, A number of these ancient structures have been explained in modern times, and even re-created using ancient methods. In fact, I cannot think of one ancient structure that cannot be explained. Some of them are insanely difficult tasks (materials needed for the structures needed to be transported over very large distances) and monumental in their building time frames, but all have more reasonable explanations than Aliens.
I am all for aliens being a possibility, but saying they had a hand in building anything on this planet is just too far fetched when there exists even a remote probability that ancient cultures COULD of build these structures.
@martijn, You have some valid points, and you misunderstood my position in this argument. I never said I believe aliens did it, I only assumed that in my post in order to answer those questions (from that perspective), thus getting you to think about that from another perspective.
I know those ancient “wonders” can’t be explained. I also think we underestimate our ancestors.
It’s just that I, like you, want it to be aliens because that would be fucking awesome.
And no, I don’t have a reliable source for that atomic blast thing. But what makes a source reliable? Even our government isn’t reliable and lies and tells fairy tales. You never really now the whole truth until you go look for yourself.
I think Martijn means the motive of the “aliens” to put us here as some kind of sick experiment ;)
I mean sure anything is possible, the building blocks for life are found throughout the universe and we don’t even know where it ends so maybe.
If we are the odd part of the equation on this planet, perhaps we are all alien…
Would explain the behavior of some ;) in the mean time MIB2.01 anyone?
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I’ve thought about this idea. About how possibly we are one giant intergalactic experiment or something of the sort. It is all entirely possible, but a more likely reason our brain doubled in size and made us who we are today is that we started eating psychedelic mushrooms off the ground and developed tools. Once we were able to sit and actually think without having to worry about being attacked/needing to hunt, that is when we began to evolve our brain to what it is today…and it’s still evolving, we are still evolving. However, the society we live in has domesticated us. They hold the keys to our consciousness and are slowing down evolution.
Hard to say what the motive would be since their existence hasn’t been broadcast to the entire planet. One part of theory is that we were genetically altered by different races of alien species which brought humans out of a ‘neanderthal’ type existence and into an alien-human hybrid intelligent being which we are today. Their motive could possibly be that this planet has great potential to be a strong spiritual existence in the universe, Until we can crack the entire human genetic code or these being make themselves known to us and tell the whole story we are stuck with theories at this point. The ‘missing link’ between the intelligent design and the Darwin evolutionary theory may lie somewhere in this theory as well. Darwin himself proclaimed he never truly had the entire evolution pattern figured out and knew something was ‘missing’….something to ponder
It stands to reason that aliens would plant primitive but intelligent life on a planet, especially if they are lacking in themselves, that they can see the progresses that we make and adopt innovations to their advantage. But not just scientific but all kinds of advances we make in social, political, emotional, humanitarian but I think that the biggest motivation for aliens to do this is our imaginations. Culture, art, fiction all these artistic things are invaluable. The entertainment value, not from watching us suffer, but what we create of it all. No doubt they would be unlike their own culture.
But this does not explain the existence of material life, well on our planet maybe, but these aliens had to evolve from the dirt, as our theories go, or the aliens that planted those aliens on their planet. At some point life spawned from the inanimate, and if such a thing could only be orchestrated by intelligence then such an intelligence would not be material in nature. You are then looking at evolved energy, or something metaphysical, or it is all just a fluke.
@christian92, Ah, my fault :)
But what makes a source reliable? Even our government isn’t reliable and lies and tells fairy tales. You never really now the whole truth until you go look for yourself.
Reliable is a spectrum, where very reliable on the one end and completely bullocks on the other end. I think that quantum mechanics is quite reliable even though I haven;t done the experiments myself. I don’t think our government isn’t reliable, I think it’s only unreliable in some self serving ways.
The problem lies in that you can’t always look for yourself, and you still need information. So you need to be skeptical or else you will only end up with rubbish in your head.
That said, I am more of a Nietzschean, so I don’t believe in Truth, only in perspectives you can overcome :)
Well, there is another theory for that which says evolution is not a slow gradual process as many people think but that it comes in huge bursts, when environmental pressures are so high everything evolves more quickly. So in this case, Occam’s razor should apply. There hasn’t been any evidence for non-earth genes/technology/anything else. Also, there are competing theories (like psychedelics) that could also have transformed us about 60,000 years ago. Darwin knew almost nothing of the evidence we know now, and we know ALOT more than, for example, creationists claim we do.
@martijn, No problem :)
I don’t now what Nietzsche said exactly, but as far as I can see you have the same view as me: Understandings of the world which continuously evolve, right? So you never know the truth, but work yourself towards it by changing your understandings again and again… at least that’s how I (try to) do it. Did you mean that?
And you’re of course right, there are sources which are more reliable than others, but there is still that possibility.
So now we are completely off topic ;) But I think most has been said.