anybody know about ecovillages?

3 years, 8 months ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecovillage

my girlfriend and i just had two hour discussion about this type of lifestyle. we both (just like many people) are sick and tired of many things that have to do with the current situation that the world is in. im the type of person that would rather do something about it than complain all of the time, and i think that nothing is going to be getting better with our government or way of life no matter what we do or say. so, this was the direction the conversation took, and i wanted some input from other people to see if something like this would work out ok, or have known anybody in ecovillages, or just additional ideas. keep in mind this is just a rough plan, and different ideas were being thrown around, some good, and some maybe not so good. -why not try to get together a group of like minded people, where everybody would put in an initial equal share into getting this off the ground. for example, say everybody were to throw in a few thousand dollars (or whatever it would seem would be enough to get started out, NO LOANS THOUGH, part of the point is to get away from the slavery situation of debt) and all go in on some nice land in a rural location. then basically build a community from the ground up, with people that have specialized skills (carpenters, organic gardener/farmers, butchers (if we wanted to do meat), doctors (or something sort of equivilent if not a real m.d.), etc……there would be no money changing hands for any reason, though it would be necessary to have some sort of community fund for anything that could be needed (farming tools, any outside medical care, etc…) basically a self supporting community. as far as decisions to be made, it would be a truly democratic situation (everybody gets a vote that counts the same)……as far as leadership goes we couldnt agree on the best way to do that, but my idea was that everybody inside of the community (or tribe as we would like to think of it) would rotate jobs/positions once a month, to make things even. so one month i may be working in a field, the next month i may be building something, etc…. my gf brought up the point that a. she does not have a very "leadership" type personality b. you wouldnt want people to do jobs they would loathe (like a vegan doing a butcher job)….. which are both valid points. so maybe for leadership there could be small groups of people (say 5 councilmembers or whatever) who could be voted in, and could also very easily be voted out if things werent going the way the overall tribe wanted….but no matter what the situation, i think it would be very valuable for people to be "cross trained" so to speak, so that the carpenter could also do two other things, so that everybody would not be dependent on just one or two people in one area, but more everyone would be closer to "jack of all trades"……and for the community to have income we could sell our organic produce at fruit stands by the road, and go to local farmers markets…. we could even have our own system of rules and laws, and ways of dealing with them…..for example say somebody did something that endangered the entire community (like growing a big patch of marijuana on our land) we could sentence them to the worst hardest jobs for a year (cleaning toilets)….thats just an example, and maybe a bad one, but i think you get the idea. of course something more serious like murder would have to get local police involved…..just really try and make the situation as self sufficient as possible, healthy, debt free, and everyone involved and doing their fair share……would something like this really work? i know the amish are like that, and there are successful ecovillages, but im wondering if this vision sounds more like a pipe dream than a real possibility….

August 5, 2011 at 5:17 pm

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Profile photo of Bryan Hellard Bryan Hellard M (@xyver) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

… Post once, and try to edit your post instead of quintuple posting?

@ Jep: Any new word on the plan?

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Profile photo of Moa Dickmark Moa Dickmark (@madk) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Check out Friland outside of Aarhus in Denmark. Amazing place. Have a friend living out there in a house he’s built with his own two hands. If you want to contact him, let me know, he would probably be delighted to let you in on some secets…

I’m also trying to remember the name of this English tvshow where they followed ppl who were building their dream houses. In one they showed a man building in hay in England, in the other a man building in hay in France or spaine. Both very inspiering episodes, even though the aesthetics weren’t always in my liking.

http://www.permaculture.org.uk/education/venue/friland-eco-village

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=sv&client=safari&q=Friland+danmark&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=690&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

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Profile photo of Moa Dickmark Moa Dickmark (@madk) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Check out Friland outside of Aarhus in Denmark. Amazing place. Have a friend living out there in a house he’s built with his own two hands. If you want to contact him, let me know, he would probably be delighted to let you in on some secets…

I’m also trying to remember the name of this English tvshow where they followed ppl who were building their dream houses. In one they showed a man building in hay in England, in the other a man building in hay in France or spaine. Both very inspiering episodes, even though the aesthetics weren’t always in my liking.

http://www.permaculture.org.uk/education/venue/friland-eco-village

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=sv&client=safari&q=Friland+danmark&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=690&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

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Profile photo of Moa Dickmark Moa Dickmark (@madk) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Check out Friland outside of Aarhus in Denmark. Amazing place. Have a friend living out there in a house he’s built with his own two hands. If you want to contact him, let me know, he would probably be delighted to let you in on some secets…

I’m also trying to remember the name of this English tvshow where they followed ppl who were building their dream houses. In one they showed a man building in hay in England, in the other a man building in hay in France or spaine. Both very inspiering episodes, even though the aesthetics weren’t always in my liking.

http://www.permaculture.org.uk/education/venue/friland-eco-village

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=sv&client=safari&q=Friland+danmark&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=690&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Does it matter if there is 4 post in a row, lol? ahhh ahhhh? I knew I could do that, just didnt care bra

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Does it matter if there is 4 post in a row, lol? ahhh ahhhh? I knew I could do that, just didnt care bra

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Does it matter if there is 4 post in a row, lol? ahhh ahhhh? I knew I could do that, just didnt care bra

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

But then again I can post this….

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

But then again I can post this….

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

But then again I can post this….

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

kyle, I think what Brian is saying is; write what you want to write then “cut” it, go to one you have already posted go to edit and “paste”.

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

yeah I tried that didnt work. I guess I could try again lol

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

That’s weird, I’m stumped.

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Any who, it can happen know, but it would have to abide by the laws that are outside of the community, meaning it needs a way to make money. Everyone would need to put collective thought towards making that money in order to grow and do as they please. That money would go into a collective pot where anybody for any reason could take as they will. Now it seems like it would be vulnerable to corruption, but if it were built on people doing things for others and growing, not personal gain but collective gain, and everyones on board with that notion it would work. The thing is, through awareness people will realize that its not about themselves but everyone else and do as they will to maintain the system. It should be a system where anyone can do as they please, free choice, free doing, Really pure freedom to promote limitless possibilities to the one person by cutting all strings and forces that tell people what they should or shouldn’t be and do…. I think killing their inner selves… I do not know if that can happen lol, maybe just a dream of utopia.

But in order to do so, to isolate a community from the outside chaos, just sayin, they definitely need a way of making money. I say a community created for the cause of making other communities like so. idk if there is a market lol…. but anyways to create new technologies for communities others to follow. To have scientist, engineers, health care(whatever it may be), and others being taught by the acts of the ones pushing out the bubble, an education system taught by doing and showing, trial and error, not by reading text books and taking Exams, and a checks and balance system set by the common notion knowing anything is acceptable. All working towards a common goal, with meaning and such…

I guess I just hate the fact of anyone telling me what I should do, including a community, it causes me to resist or conform, in which I and others wouldnt be happy. Pure freedom, no judgements, no opinions, no social norm…. only people doing more for others then they would do for themselves. Freedom in all aspects tooo, traveling to anywhere, living on a couch for a week…lol, not having to be somewhere at a certain time, doing what they love; expressions and stuff, going after the things the feel complied to go after. I mean if a huge group has a common goal, for the common good, and people do as they please to achieve that common goal the possibilities are limitless. I guess its how I look at people tho. I see them as limited beings based on beliefs or paradigms that have been pushed on them. People are smart, everyone is, everyone can reach a certain level of anything, they just have to be shown or find out themselves through doing what they love to do….
Idk interested in seeing what others think. I am just one person, not a huge group that can all put in their input and take in things for themselves and express individually what comes about…

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

There must be an unwanted symbol in the first paragraph. Causes I deleted it and posted the rest.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

I agree with this type of ideal society. You would have to have some kind of board of direction to evaluate the necessity of the various peoples access to the communal funds otherwise you risk frivolous expenditure, something an individual can be forgiven for not foreseeing as excessive. It sounds great and would work better as more towns of smaller populations than as a huge city of millions. But could be built more toward that goal.

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Profile photo of kyle kittell kyle kittell (@kkylekittell24) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Yeah thats what my first paragraph was about. Stating that I read somewhere, in order for our world to sustain itself we would have to sometime in the near future break off into smaller sub communities that rely on themselves to survive. So a city of millions would be way to many people to account for, rather containing just as many as it takes.

And this is all based on Ideas of how limitless as a whole civilization we can be. Are we, as an animal stuck and reached our potential, or our we still in infantile stages? Not disregarding the genus that has gotten us here, Just asking how much room for growth do we have? I would love to believe limitless possibilities, but that could be as crazy as saying a dog could learn to read in a few months. Organisms have their limits.

But if we are still immature as a whole it will take a certain group of people that out grew old ways and lived the new. I can just see a group of people pushing the limits and then the rest of the people piling in behind them. Not because they want to or its the right thing to do, but because they have to. In order to survive they would have to adapt like so. And thats why I do not see a risk of frivolous expenditure being a problem. This would not be about themselves it would be about changing the world lol. Who would settle for laziness or selfish desires at the cost of greatness in a place that does nothing but supports them and allows them to thrive.

This is extremely broad my bad dont know how else to say it

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 3 years, 6 months ago ago

Yes, I absolutely see what you are saying. I was just saying that of course people would not intend frivolous spending but something a person may regard as a great benefit for the society, yet would be expensive and have risk involved, you would have to weigh up it’s practicality. It does itself present a situation at risk of bureaucracy.

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