Atheists views on Agnostics?
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Actually, generally speaking, the agnostics are the true scientist minds. Both atheists and religious folk are in the wrong from a scientific standpoint, as they both claim to have information that they cannot have. You cannot know that God doesn’t exist, you can only suspect it’s highly improbable. Also, you cannot really “prove” that God does exist, assuming he does. Therefore it’s generally stubborn, biased people that are religious, and, humorously, the same sort of people who are atheist. The agnostic stance is the stance of the man who is a true non-biased truth-seeker.
Never delude yourself to believe that you are required to choose a side on an argument. Keep an open mind, and everything in life is so much more magical and clear.
I used to be a believer, as I was raised to believe so. Then, as I learned and grew, I became atheist. Then, as I learned and grew a little further, I became agnostic. Now, I rather spiritual, but generally have no strong beliefs about these matters.
As an atheist myself, I understand you can never disprove that God exists as its just one of those things no-one will ever know. However I call my self atheist as I am as sure as I can be that there is very likely no God. I think agnostics who think the same way as this should just call themselves atheists instead of being technically correct and calling themselves agnostics because they know you cannot disprove or prove God. Everyone should know that you cannot 100% prove or disprove God so in my opinion those who think 99.99999% God doesn’t exist might as well call themselves atheist.
Well, I’ve always classified myself as an agnostic until I discovered something new in relation to its meaning. I always thought of it as, “I don’t actively disbelieve or believe as I found it unknowable. Any evidence to somehow prove one way or the other I would accept.” Then I discovered a chart relating to agnostic, gnostic, atheist, theist. It was a chart brought to my attention by a particular imageboard known infamously around the internet. It was a chart posted in a thread of people (atheists mostly, probably) hating on agnostics. I didn’t understand why until I realized what they were saying, they were saying you couldn’t be just an agnostic or that wasn’t an adequate response. The chart says that gnostic vs agnostic = believing we can know/ or believing we can not know. It then goes on to say atheism vs theism = believing or not believing there is a god. So you could be an agnostic atheist, or agnostic theist. However, agnostic would not be a third choice separate from atheism and theism. I still find the idea of it a little confusing because I guess I am an agnostic atheist but I don’t actively disbelieve in a god, I think there’s potential for one and it wouldn’t be all that surprising. Search something like “agnostic chart” on Google images and you’ll discover the ideas I’m discussing. Anyway, I’m still heavily confused about it all.
@scott3600, Well, you can’t really quantize the probability of the existence of God. I’m not trying to be politically correct in the stance I choose. Currently, my non-atheistic stance is based on more than probabilities. I’ve just lived longer, and experienced more of life, and have finally come to the personal conclusion that there is so much more beyond what we know–something big. Of course I’m not entirely sure what it is, but perhaps I will one day–sure will when I die though, huh?
I like to call myself an agnostic. Some people I know, who are either theists or atheists, have told me that “you can’t say that you don’t know if there’s a ‘higher power’ or not – either you are religious or you’re an atheist until the opposite is proven”.
Now, I don’t like people telling me this, as I really don’t know if there IS a ‘higher power’ – I’ve never seen the proof of there being a ‘higher power’, but I’ve also seen no proof of there NOT being a higher power.
Personally, I think that people who think that you have to be either atheist or theist are somewhat narrow-minded…. If you don’t know then you don’t know and that’s that, you don’t have to believe in either one of them….
I believe Atheists believe in God, they just refuse to heap what they believe into the same category of common definition of what God is. No one would be here if they didn’t believe something, if that faith is in money, themselves or something else, it is a belief and belief itself fundamentally what God is. The reason you don’t just off yourself is because you take that leap of faith and believe something, even if it is the most superficial and meaningless thing you can find.
@snaysler, You can work out a general approximation of the probability to be likely very low, just by using the evidence we have know to disprove parts of the Bible, and logic to find flaws in the concept of religion.
Please watch this short video I actually created myself to see what the odds are of your religion being correct. I think you will find it interesting:
@scott3600, I understand where you are coming from in the video. That was very much my thought process when I long ago transitioned to being an atheist. But, then I realized that I was somewhat missing the point. I wasn’t really too clear about my beliefs, as well. I don’t believe any one of these religions is true, nor do I believe that there is some conscious and omnipotent/omniscient being that “created” us. I am a man of science, most certainly. However, I do believe there is something beyond all of this. For one thing, I do not believe that this existence, this universe governed by these law of physics, is the only one. Nor do I believe that eternal nothingness awaits us at our last breath. I believe that we are all “spiritual beings”, but have my own understanding of what this means, which doesn’t entirely coincide with any of our accepted “spiritual practices”. The bible has a lot of bullshit, and nearly every organized religion since the dawn of man is somewhat absurd. Humans are not any more special than a rock on the ground, but then, I believe that some aspect of what makes us conscious goes beyond physically being human–being the electrochemical thinking machine that modern knowledge wants us to identify to so exclusively. I guess this is all a bit off topic, as none of my beliefs have anything to do with a Deity.
I also just want to add–the desire to identify with a belief, or choose a side on an argument, is an age old impulse of man. It serves a function in our mind for creating sects within social structure. However, it can be dangerous when discussing matters of which we seem to know very little. I hope that all the atheists out there try to get along with the religious folk. Back when I was die-hard atheist I had a friend who was a “jesus-freak”, and she was one of the nicest, well-to-do people I’ve ever known, with an open heart and wonderful hospitality. That’s really all that matters. When she’d talk about God, Jesus, and Heaven to me, I would just smile and nod. It’s good to be tolerant :)
@snaysler, I appreciate the fact you took the time to actually watch the video I posted. I understand what you have to say and think you have some interesting points. However if we take what you have to say, then not just humans but animals won’t have eternal nothingness after this life as animals have thoughts, emotions and a conscious themselves. Have you considered this? I’m not saying you theory is wrong, but I want to know if you value animals in the same way as humans. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
@scott3600, Yes, I understand what you’re saying. I haven’t decided which way I lean on that matter. I may be leaning more towards saying that no, animals do not experience eternal nothingness upon death, insofar as they too are consciously aware, having their own subjective world of existence like we do. This is a very difficult topic to make progress in, as no conscious being can ever prove that another being is truly conscious in the way that they themselves are.
@caoimhesweeney, I don’t label myself anything either, I just believe in “God” in general…But I enjoy the peaceful opinion of everyone. I can easily befriend an atheist or believer of any type as long as they are respectful of everyone’s different views…..I understand what you mean…but It’s like me talking to my best atheist friend…We never have any disrespect between our different views and we actually like to hear each others sides of the story.
@snaysler, I’m following a similar path as you my friend. I’m currently transitioning from a die-hard atheist into an open minded individual who accepts the possibility of something big. Something we may not be meant to know or understand.
@soulshine, As an atheist, I did not have a problem with agnostics. In fact, I didn’t have a problem with theists either. As long as you’re a cool guy/gal, it’s honestly none of my business what you believe, and I can not rightfully pass judgement. However, I still feel uncomfortable around preachy theists. I just keep my mouth shut in those situations. :)