Last month I was at a rave and dropped 500mg of mdma. I don’t do it very often and it was the most I’d taken. I felt fine at first but then I began to feel dizzy and struggled to walk, my head and arms went completely numb and my eyes started rolling back into my head. Luckily, a mate took me outside and looked after me, and after an hour I was back inside dancing. I felt rough for a couple of weeks after, but feeling okay now I’m thinking of trying it again with a less heavy dose, such as 100-200mg, is this a bad idea? Is it likely to do me serious damage? I love the good feeling but i dunno whether to risk it?
@casualdruggy, Never do MDMA, when you get it on the street, no matter how pure you think it is, it’s going to be made with some chemical like draino or windex, becuase 100 mgs of just one of the pure chemicals used to make it would cost more than 100 mgs of actual MDMA, what happened is you got poisoned, plain and simple.
“Pure” MDMA seems to have taken over everywhere, apparently no one is the wiser that it’s easier to cut or substitute a white powder than a pressed pill. Sure X pills are a polydrug buffet, but that’s the point — and it’s easier to trace its branding than your dealer’s vague hierarchy of anonymous connections. My point is that you don’t actually know how much you took, or of what — there are a hundred similar chemical derivatives of MDMA with a rainbow of positive or negative effects. Every batch you get is likely different from the last regardless of your local supplier. The best strategy is to start low early on, and gradually build up, giving yourself a benchmark to really know how the drug’s going to effect you that particular night — and then rage, in compliance with your goals.
Regarding health — MDMA / derivatives can give you a moderate-severe and long-term hangover, so take care of yourself before and after. Nobody knows if there are long-term effects… but the colloquial term “E-tard” probably exists for a reason.
@thomaschong Poisoning from these extremely toxic chemicals could probably have more severe effects than an hour of vertigo. And unlike meth, MDMA requires a far more sophisticated process to create, and is constrained to far fewer chemicals / catalysts to synthesize it. Thus romantic poisons are less plausible to find than you’re going to find in street methamphetamine. Baby laxative, flour, and baking soda are fairly inert substances. But “poisoned,” I can agree with you — the body had a negative reaction for an unknown reason.
@casualdruggy, Why take so much, MDMA is great in moderate doses, but higher doses have diminishing, and often negative, returns. Go with normal doses here – its an EXTREMELY powerful drug, and drains you mentally and physically.
@thomaschong, I don’t know about this. I know everything to make MDMA and you could easily make a decent profit from it (not like the old days though) at normal costs.
@hugesavings, I really don’t know what you’re saying, I think you have some typos with can and can’t?
@ijesuschrist Pressed ecstasy pills are more reliable than MDMA powder. If taking a powder that’s supposedly MDMA, dose low and build up. MDMA is not cut with poisonous chemicals, but inert fillers.
Those are my points. I don’t think there were any typos. I hedged some claims with “probably” and “can” because I won’t proclaim truth that I don’t absolutely know.
I attest to less is more! I’m not a brain chemist but I have the feeling that it has a very clear threshold.. if you go over that point the brain seems to snap like a rubber band.. Ive heard large doses dump too much seratonin or who knows what and the brain get fried.
Sad to say but I feel like I did the same thing a few weeks ago and I’m still grinding my teeth >8E
Not worth it.
Im still all for this drug in responsible doses. I rolled last weekend on the smallest dose I’ve ever taken.. but I was in the perfect intimate environment with amazing music so my brain went sailing.
So key things, less is more.. and don’t waste your drugs and brain if you aren’t in the perfect place mentally and physically.
One last thing, try it with Piracetam. For me it eliminates hangovers and boosts the effect to a degree.. seems to set the stage for my brain to PERFORM.
@hugesavings, I’m not saying they’re taking these chemicals and mixing them up in a big bowl, you can get isosafrole, (which is actually where mdma get’s it’s slight licorice flavor from) from windex, they put it in windex to kill it’s normally horrifying smell, the chemists do their best to get rid of any other chemicals, but there will be stragglers.
@casualdruggy, Don’t do it. Same thing happened to my friend but he eventually got worse, started siezing, went to the hospital, and almost died.
DON’T DO CHEMICAL DRUGS.
Stick to the naturals.
Unless of course you KNOW the person making it and KNOW they KNOW what they are doing.
Cheers everyone, I think I’m gonna try a lower dosage at some point, preferably somewhere I feel safe, like a mates house. I know the dosage I took was stupid, think I got a bit too cocky and went overboard. Definitely wont do that again, @heavydreamz, what do you think a good dosage to start on is?
@thomaschong, dude what? I don’t think windex has isosafrole in it?
And no chemist would put in windex to get rid of a smell, the smell is wonderful of pure safrole / isosafrole…
from what I know the people who really make MDMA are a breed different than those making meth. They aren’t there to get people addicted, they aren’t there to be scar face. Of course I can’t speak of all of them, but I’d suggest most.
I knew one that worked in California (God rest his soul – I haven’t heard from him in a year), as well as one from texas and a few of the “kings” and they are very intelligent people. They just have some odd hobbies with which to make a huge income at the price of prison.
@casualdruggy I had a similar experience on MDMA about a year ago. I had taken about .5 but became extremely dizzy, nauseous, and overstimulated. I threw up some too. Like you, after about an hour I was back inside dancing and having a great time. I found fresh air to be very helpful in this situation. However, it was a frightening experience and definitely made me step back and evaluate my reckless drug use. I would just ingest MDMA without hesitation while also sometimes mixing with alcohol during the night. Since then I have taken MDMA quite a few times but am extremely careful about how much I am ingesting and I will usually take it in small increments throughout the night to be sure I am feeling good. MDMA is definitely a cool drug but as with any other drug, you must be aware of the dosage, your mindset and your intention. :)
@casualdruggy, I think dose is less important than other factors. Take half as much as you initially want to. Don’t expect much bc the anticipation seems to suppress the fun.. wait like 3 hours and enjoy yourself whether it hits you or not.. if nothing take more.
If it’s good you’ll feel it in your system, if its in your system your environment and mentality can bring it out. It always takes a while for me.
I do agree.. chemical drugs are always sketchy, no matter how comfortable you are with your guy.
Anyone tried herbal X?
My best roll EVER was a bottle of Cherry Pop.. I took some syrian rue to potentiate haha. I think the actives were octopomine and ephedra possibly.. good times.
Seriously though, nothing like a little L with your X.
@ijesuschrist, And they put isosafrole in windex to get rid of the smell. That happens at the windex plant. The MDMA chemist then buys windex, gets the isosafrole from the windex, converts it into tenamphetamine, then uses that to make MDMA
@thomaschong, Where are you getting this information that windex has any amount of isosafrole in it? That doesn’t even make sense, why would they use isosafrole, it smells like licorice, its an oil so it would leave blotches on glass, and the amounts added would never be sufficient to extract from windex…
The people who make MDMA are in cahoots with the perfume industry and get the substance elsewhere in 55 gallon drums, usually directly from china.
OR they distill it themselves… In all my time looking into the chemistry, you are the very first person to claim that isosafrole is in windex.
This would also mean it is a carcinogen, and would be labelled as such in california. (Iso+ safrole were made into carcinogens a decade ago or so)
@thomaschong, I would be always be skeptical about when people talk about how drugs are made… Especially the people selling them or using them.
People used to think that LSD made your spine bleed which induced the trip, remember.
I once met a guy who was tripping very hard on LSD. WHILE HE WAS TRIPPING he was telling me it was cause his brain was hemorrhaging and that was why he was tripping. I told him that was completely bogus and why the hell was he on it if he thought that. He got real defensive that YES. It is because my brains bleeding and my spines bleeding.
… Odd world out there
@casualdruggy I take MDMA regularly and what u first described is how MDMA is suppose to make you feel. Depending on what purity it was depends on how much you should take of course also how often you take it. MDMA does not suppose to make you energize or speedy. People who are looking for that want methadone. The white powder most get is that. MDMA is amber crystals. mdma usually makes you feel “fucked” in the sense of ur body gets lose,an Afforic feeling in your chest and possibly a little numbness also possible loss of control. My eyes roll in the back of my head and my friends think I’m dying but that’s when I know it’s working. But it makes dancing amazing lol In your case you never have done it before there for we’re shocked. Always start at a lower dose especially not knowing where the drug is coming from. With pure you only need .1 or .2. People also don’t like this drug bc it makes you feel not in control as if you get an amazing drunk buzz. The first time I did it I blacked out. Seen a picture of me and I looked like a damn mess lol but now I dnt like doing just MDMA the next day your depressed and after awhile loses its interest.
@meltingbrain, I know the feeling you describe, it’s still a great feeling but I choose to argue because I think this is exactly how to NOT use this drug. Over-doing it simply cancels out much of the positive effects and brings about all the negative ones.
I know how taking less than I am used can be a let down by not having the crazy of a time I was expecting but I SWEAR it was my high expectation that caused me to be bummed out.. and being bummed out changes the trip. The nights that I am describing are the same ones that I get home late and realize how fucked up I really was the whole time but was too concentrated on the wrong thing.. by that time my mind was really in the wrong place.
Plain and simple, this drug is not like LSD with little to no toxicity. There is a reason people report hang-overs that sometimes last weeks after use. There is also a reason we get hangovers when we drink too much. This is a drug not worth using for that kind of escapism if you want to keep ya mind solid.
I think a lil’ bit here and there can be extremely beneficial to anyone who wants to learn about themselves and the world. My ego and subconscious mind is always shown to me like a glass mirror that I can see right through. Then I look out at the world with new eyes.
..psychedelic lifestyle accelerating human evolution baby.
@heavydreamz I agree getting to that point is over doing it that’s why I suggested starting at a low dose. Over time I understood the drug and know what to except from it, also why I take it as much or with something else to get the expierence I want. Which is the whole point of people taking MDMA. For a new expierence.
Ill have to say even though how bad it is. MDMA was on the path that led me to Psilocybin which in return led to a whole new way of thinking.