Basic Rights versus Earned Rights
| Ray Butler
This is a strait up extension of conclusions I came to on this thread http://www.highexistence.com/topic/what-is-your-way-of-restoring-your-faith-in-humanity/ |
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| Ray Butler
Bump. |
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| Ray Butler
Ok, I will just talk to myself. |
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| Ray Butler
Then yo have the fact that some areas are more profitable than others and you have areas where the responsibilty to manage outweigh the resorces that area provides to manage it. So generally, all areas cannot be completely independant of each other but the profits of one area have a certain responsibility to the management of other areas. That is where we as human beings and a civilization are neglectful and deny liability. |
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| Ray Butler
It is called subsidiary rights and responsibilities and every buisiness, every individual person in the world is liable to it. |
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| Kidd
You really are talking to yourself, lol! Anyway, I agree freedom is a basic right as long as you meet the responsibilities to keep it. And for me, personally, all those responsibilities come down to one: live and let live. Live in peace and let others do the same. And those with power are assumed to have earned it are responsible for keeping you safe when you cannot save yourself and judging those who harm others. (Not saying that those in power are always good at this, lol, but that’s ideally what it would be.) |
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| Ray Butler
@kidd, No one is perfect and we can never expect them to be, but what we can do is provide the environment for people to be imperfectly free. |
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| Ray Butler
And we are imperfectly free, well at least a lot of us are. Pretty much everyone I know has the opportunity to be self-sufficient to their greatest potential an therefore become self-determinate. Should that be all that counts? |
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| Ray Butler
Every country that has these opportunities for their citizens has a sustainable population growth, some of them actually have a negative population growth. Sure culture plays its part in that but culture primarily depends on the education level of the citizens. The trends of the group mentality deminish as the people become more independant and free to make their own choices. |
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| Ray Butler
But most of all it means that an uncountable number of people need not die in poverty every day and this reduces the global crime levels, including terrorism, uncountably. |
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| Ray Butler
You don’t have to enforce a thing by law, it is about every one of us just saying it is ok, its a right, its not my place, someone being a dick is fine until it happens to you. So you ignore it? Yes that is nobel, but cowardly, grow nutz and stand up to ignorance, lest you want a cesspool society. |
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| Ray Butler
You are always free to make judgement calls on your own behaviour but just remember the equal measure of duty and liability that comes with that right. |
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| Ray Butler
So sort everything out for yourselves, I’m going to watch “Ninjas versus Vampires” :) |
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| Ray Butler
This is what everyone wants, even if you have no idea what I’m talking about and you probably don’t. But even the richest people in the world want this, simply because it makes their lives better. The only person that does not benefit from this is the person who has no part of it. This is not communism or any new type of government, it works on exactly the same system we are under. It even uses the same principle that is found under capitalism, the subsidiary rights and responsibility method, totally a corporate idea. |
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| Ray Butler
It is not a one world government, nothing changes about anything. The economies are no more connected than they already are, but that areas that need help are helped by areas that already have more than they want. It is just a balancing mechanism. It just sets everything right that real progress can be made and we don’t look like idiots any more. |
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| Ray Butler
This is basically how it works: |
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| Ray Butler
Not only poverty and the environment, but anything about the world that is in trouble because even though it is our responsibility as the only sentient being here but we see no profit in it. That is the problem, we neglect our duties for the sake of money. I don’t have a problem with money or the big entities that make most of it, I have a problem with people not being liable for their own behaviour. |
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| Anonymous
Freedom Freedom from is ordinary, mundane. Man has always tried to be free from things. It is not creative. It is the negative aspect of freedom. Freedom for is creativity. You have a certain vision that you would like to materialize and you want freedom for it. Freedom from is always from the past, and freedom for is always for the future. Freedom for is a spiritual dimension because you are moving into the unknown and perhaps, one day, into the unknowable. It will give you wings. Osho |
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| Anonymous
Barry Schwartz: Using our practical wisdom “http://www.ted.com In an intimate talk, Barry Schwartz dives into the question “How do we do the right thing?” With help from collaborator Kenneth Sharpe, he shares stories that illustrate the difference between following the rules and truly choosing wisely.” |
| Ray Butler
@tigerturban, Freedom is only a bad thing because it is not moderated by two important other factors, liability and duty. Yes there is a limited liabilty on freedom but once you meet that, your only duty is to more freedom and meeting the liability for it. This is ridiculous because as the caretakers of this planet we have a responsibility to its maintainance, but we also have a responsibility to each other. |
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| BirdySue
(@birdysue313)
8 months ago ago
Freedom comes from truth; it can be achieved as a basic and as an earned …And i think that freedom can be earned on many scales too. For people that are mentally and emotionally broken, they must heal their wounds step by step until they’ve proven to themselves that they can face the truth and set themselves free, and there is the freedom at the cost of being tied down by others and having no say this at the expense of strength and will to survive. But, there are factors that can reach freedom and it is not easy, many people do seem to believe they are free, but they aren’t, especially when being trapped in the mind or trapped in a prison cell. either way, if the truth is within reach, if there ar which is possible because the truth will always be there, however we as people are ignorant to that type of stuff… but back to what i was saying, if there are no quarrels or pitfuls, and or a way out of that, then freedom can be sought. But if you are blinded then freedom is unattainable. Hopefully this might help…. |
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| BirdySue
(@birdysue313)
8 months ago ago
@birdysue313, We are free if we allow ourselves to be. Simple as that. Whether locked up in our mind or in a cell, either way… its up to us to have the strength to make it happen. |
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| Ray Butler
@birdysue313, Fuck that hippy shit, yes we can all achieve a mental state where nothing can harm us, but that is like saying fuck everyone else, I’m comfortable. Then saying they can be comfortable too they just have to reach the same mental state I’m in. Well not everyone is spiritual and if they were this world would suck balls. |
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| Kaleb
(@huskeyk)
8 months ago ago
truth be told, i’m already late to bed and could only skim these responses, but here’s some of my two-cents. so long as we live in a social-contract-based society, there will always be a blurry line between given rights and earned rights. even when we think of something as basic as the “right to live,” we’re automatically involving ourselves in the discussions of abortion and capital punishment (neither of which are topics i’d like to get into) and the idea that one’s life can be taken given a mandate from the masses. i do agree with the more blanketed approach of earning rights based on one’s participation in society. in america, for example, they say that voting is a privilege, not a right. to some extents, i agree. felons can’t vote, as they’ve failed to hold up their end of the social contract. at the same time, i feel as though people who don’t participate in society (another conversation for another time) shouldn’t necessarily be given the benefits of that society. continuing with the voting example, if someone doesn’t study pamphlets or candidate statements, why should they be allowed to vote? |
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| Ray Butler
But what, are you going to love people into doing the right thing? No, you offer them a trade off, you take their money and do the right thing with it and create the environment for them to make even more money in return. It is simple and that is what this proposal is. Something practical to buy people of logic and empathy,a sense of duty and responsibility, the means to fix up what is neglected and pay back many times over those who chipped in to get it done. |
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