Britain to \"Storm\" ecuadorian embassy for Assange.
Damn this is pretty intense.
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@wareagles5o, based on your statement, it seems to me you’re more likely to not know how this fucked-up country works :[ This is no attack, but the man speaks the truth.
The FEW you demonize can only get away with what the public wants. Frankly, “we” have asked for every little bit, and in fact fund it with our daily lives which we’re evidently content enough within to stay. No?
If they keep it in the public’s wants by keeping full awareness out of the public eye, it is nonetheless improper to blame them 50/50% when the populace is going 99% of the ignoring, facilitating, and even asking.
@wareagles5o, yes I live in the U.S.
That’s irrelevant, as Pip said.
If you want to deny your freedoms and act as if you’re a helpless victim to the oppression of others, go do it, but when people online who know better don’t buy it, don’t get into insulting them and copping out of the real discussion.
However much knowledge you have about U.S. affairs is undermined by the fact that you think you are subjective to it and can’t do anything to change your situation. It’s the opposite of the truth and indicates you may believe the opposite of the truth in related affairs in order to sustain your belief. Thus any affirmation you make of your beliefs is going to contradict the truth, so when you fail to get others to believe the mental trap you’ve made for yourself, don’t take it as a sign of THEIR ignorance.
Blaming others for your problems is not going to stimulate your problems to change. If you really “hate living here” then don’t live here. You are NOT trapped except by your mind.
What has happened to Manning is disgusting, it makes me sick reading about it. Its appalling to read what he went through, considering he hasn’t even been proven guilty yet.
I really like the song but as the top comment on that video says, sad there is a need for it.
@jackflash, I’m not saying its the pinnacle of integrity, but things like that compromise our mission. If we lose support back home, morale over here drops, troops lose their sense of purpose and our already insanely high suicide rate goes even higher.
@nightowl, Im not content at all if thats what your saying I am. I dont want to live here, other older people dont really have a choice. Their stuck here with their family and other bullshit they’ve accumulated. Don’t question what I know I’ve lived here my whole life and realize alot that other people don’t about the u.s as soon as i get enough education to do what i want I’m leaving here. They’ve trapped us as apopulace in this country their making it harder and harder to leave because of everything you have to have at such a young age like all types of insurance and you “have” to get a job. It’s just societal norms have fucked this country up. Their not what they should be.
@manimal, Since I’m interested in your suggestions, would you like to make a thread in how we can ‘fight’ the u.s.? I’ve been trying to answer this question myself for a long time and I can’t find one. It’s pretty difficult in my (perhaps nearsighted) mind.
@bongodeburrito, What exactly IS OUR MISSION?
You do realize that ruling with fear begets violence, right?
And ruling with violence is the dark ages.
Wake up man this isn’t the way to run a country.
I do NOT support our troops, I don’t give two shits WHAT your argument is, please watch and fulfill yourself;
@wareagles5o, lots of what you said I can agree with, especially about societal norms being the perversion of true sense. You’re correct; remember that this has little to do with the government. Government, media, corporations, they take advantage of it and cultivate it, but they did not seed it and they do not DO it. It’s like taking credit for the tomatoes your plants grew, the tomato grew it, it did all the work itself! You simply gave it the environ to do what it will, and helped it along. No differently with those you demonize.
You said “I dont want to live here, other older people dont really have a choice. Their stuck here with their family and other bullshit they’ve accumulated.”
You’re only affirming this to yourself. This is how people trap themselves, then blame others for the illusion of a trap.
I’m seldom one to tell somebody that they’re wrong, but frankly, you’re starkly wrong about this. If you release the hesitations and inhibitions that you sustain with these rationalizations and justifications, you’ll find that at all times are you completely free to do WHATEVER you want. Right now, you’re using your limitless freedom to tell a fairy-tale about limited freedom.
@ijesuschrist, Our mission is pointless at the moment. We’re interfering in a region of the world known as the graveyard of empires. Our problem is the way it is handled. Send a 19 year old kid out one day to attack an insurgent stronghold and then the next day he’s handing out water. Its mentally taxing.
No longer can we erase towns off of the planet like we did in WWII, and at this point, it wouldnt help anyway. Public opinion interferes with us getting the job we were sent here to do done. Whenever someone gets caught in the crossfire, which is a shame, it gets plastered over headlines nation wide. And when our guys get killed, its another day in Afghanistan. My job right now is mission support in the (for now) safe country of Kuwait. I carry the bodies of fallen Americans off of planes to be re-iced and then back to the plane to be sent home. Damn near everyday. And its tough. We dont like death. We dont like getting shot at. Half of us have kids and spouses. We’re not cold blooded killers. We’re a bunch of citizens who signed up to protect the ideals this country was founded on. We swore an oath to the Constitution, then to the President. We dont like this war. None of us.
We’re not even fighting a country. We’re fighting an idea. Ideas dont die. For every insurgent we kill, his brothers and sons rise up and join the cause. Mostly because our presence isnt wanted. And none of us want to be here. We’re following orders. We’ve seen first hand what you get from the news. Its our life, so you dont have to tell me about it, I dont need you to tell me about cognitive dissonance. Its something I live with. And I hate it. Its not easy flipping the switch between Airman LeBlanc and Sean all the time, but here I am doing it. I know what’s going on in my head. I spend enough time there to know it in and out.
@wareagles5o, Try to make a difference? Yea right, and my name is Santa Claus. Stating your opinion is not trying to make a difference, voting is not trying to make a difference, doing nothing is not trying to make a difference. Unless you’re actively working on defeating them, you’re not even trying AT ALL.
What the hell do you mean nothing can be done about it? That’s the dumbest, weakest statement I’ve heard in a very long time. Of course there’s lots that can be done about it, people are just too fucking lazy and irresponsible to take action. And that’s their own fucking choice. There is nobody else to blame.
And what do you mean corrupted to the core? Corruption come FROM the core. The core was rotten all along, people are being shitheads with shitty intentions, they form a nation and it “turns to shit” (it was shit from the get-go.) The only real function of authorities is to act scapegoats, so people have someone to blame instead of taking responsibility. If people have someone to blame, they don’t solve their problems, they give all responsibility (= power = freedom) to someone else and thus they’re easily herded. If people weren’t irresponsible lazy fuckwads then the problem wouldn’t exist.
If you’re not fighting, you’re not fighting. You’re just complaining, not doing anything about it. And you DO support their political actions, because you do nothing about, and you keep giving them the power to do so.
YOU are obviously the one who doesn’t understand how the nation works. It works the same way human (and animal) power structures have always worked. The less responsibility you take, the lower you stand in the hierarchy. It’s logical and sound, corruption only comes into play when people take part in this game but refuse to accept the rules. You no like, you no play, you go somewhere else. You have no rights unless you earn them, that’s how it’s always been and always will be.
@jackflash, I’m not going to attack Manning, because I believe he thought he was doing the right thing. In a way, I guess he was. But let me break down what I’ve seen him release, the things the media wont tell you and the consequences:
The helicopter attack on news reporters. Yes, its terrible. No, you cannot “clearly” see weapons. But the reporters were unauthorized to be there due to the fact that it was an insurgent hotspot. Those pilots were out looking for insurgents because they were expected to be there. The reporters were also not wearing the official reporting gear, the blue vest you see in the news. They were dressed like everyone else around there, and had a large object on their shoulder, which looks like an RPG from two miles away. No, the pilots did not have 100% visual confirmation of their targets before they fired, but in a violently vibrating helicopter, when you see something on someone’s shoulder, the first thought in your mind is “This might be a Stinger, I have no desire to get close enough to find out” Poor decisions were made, and it was handled.
PFC Manning released the names of native born interpreters and informants helping out the US. Then the enemy got a hold of that list and promptly killed them and their families. Now we’re having trouble getting help from the locals. I wonder why,
Also, this is being held under a courts martial. Military trials, while similar to civilian trials, have many radically different aspects. It can be argued that he never should have deployed and his security clearance revoked. That falls on his UDM and supervisors. There’s a good chance he could get off on charges if they can prove he was obviously unfit for the job he was tasked for.
Fighting, scheming, taking them down…. really, guys? Really?
Don’t you see the issue there? Those are not solutions to the problem, they ARE the problem, those things are exactly what the “evil rulers” are doing. 1+1=2 not 1+1=0. If there was a fire, would you suggest burning the fire away?
As I said earlier, the only reason some people have more power is because others give it to them. As long as people keep giving their power to people with questionable intentions, the people will get fucked over. But really, it’s just a deal that they agree to, so technically they’re not getting fucked over, they’re just getting what they signed up for.
And here’s the thing, society gives you many privileges in exchange for your servitude. Rights, welfare, and all that other stuff, the only reason these things exist is to woo you to their side. If you don’t want to be bossed around, you can’t have the reward, if you want the reward you gotta accept being a puppet. It’s that simple, you can’t have both because you haven’t earned them, it’s perfectly fair to be honest. No, none of these things are your birthright, that notion is preposterous, they are things you earn. And when the people offering it is a wicked scumbag, and you agree to the deal, so are you.
It’s like that classic satire comic strip where some politicians are standing on a plank over a canyon giving a speech, the plank is held in place by a bunch of commoners, they’re protesting and shit. That’s exactly how it works in reality, step off the damn plank and the fat cats fall into the canyon. Stay on the plank, and they stay. Push them off the plank, and somebody else takes their place.
The “bad guys” aren’t the problem, the masses are. “Fuck the system,” ” fuck society”… it should be “fuck the masses.” Oh and if you stay in that groupthink, dependent, system validating mindframe, standing on the plank so to speak, you ARE part of the blind masses no matter how much you deny it.
The “commoners” are the only reason the “elite” exist. The “bad guys” are nothing but a symptom of the retarded way people try to live.