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Anonymous (@)    1 year, 7 months ago

I recently ordered some bulletproof coffee beans, mct oil, and am in the process of finding some grass-fed butter to make the “Bulletproof coffee”.
Are there any hethens following this diet?
Experiences?

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I’m getting that feeling again…the one where someone makes huge claims about an item that manages to slip through the cracks in terms of verification of any claims…

It’s the same one I get when I see a 5-Hour Energy commercial or one of those magic weigh-loss pill ones.

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Cody (@versai)1 year, 7 months ago ago

sounds like marketing

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@lytning91, @versai,
I like how you guys dismiss the bulletproof exec. as a scam without actually taking the time to read through the proposed scientific evidence and its implications. It is right that one should be hesitant but not ignorant. Very un-philosohpical of you.. Tsk tsk.

There has been many primary researcher skeptics on the site posting in the forums. All of which are left without any conclusive claims. In our present state of scientific knowledge, this appears to be the “diet” to follow. And I don’t mean diet just in the sense of weight loss but to attain optimal health and longevity.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I like how YOU assume I didn’t bother to read through the actual website’s claims alongside some other sources to understand the ingredients, and then compare the claims of the product with the expected results to see just how unlikely it is that this product does something magical.

The concept of magical coffee beans from a magical area of the world is just absurd. As if the growing conditions of a particular patch of lands didn’t change at least moderately from year to year. That alone discredits the extent to which this man praises these coffee beans.

There is nothing I’ve read about these ingredients that a) hasn’t already been done in other forms (like teas with this combination of oil and butter) or b) makes me think that they actually provide a magical way of enhancing one’s life. Oil and butter dude? With coffee? Come on…

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Stephen (@zhaetur)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I’m a big follower of the bulletproof executive, that being said I don’t follow everything Dave says to the letter. Some of it strikes me as marketing disguised as self help advice.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@lytning91,
For starters, you clearly just limited yourself to reading the bulletproof coffe page. One shouldn’t make any inferences without consulting all available evidence (the entire bulletproof and upgraded self knowledge base).

Secondly, your claims of a magical coffee bean from a magical area of the world being absurd is most definitely true. Dave Asprey makes no mention that the particular location provides the BEST beans, he only uses this particular location as a provider because it is, a passive organic family run estate that does not use herbicides, pesticides etc. This can certainly be achieved anywhere.

Third, You’re missing out on the entire point of the bulletproof executive diet. That is, to limit the mycotoxin content ingested. What makes bulletproof coffee unique from any other is methods used to process the beans, and consequently, greatly reducing the mycotoxin content.

Lastly, teas with this combination of oil and butter are used with, presumably, grain fed butter and subpar oils (not upgraded mct oil). Of which, you have no idea what it is.. Clearly.
Please stop uttering “magical” as this is not relevant to the topic of discussion. Also, please drop the ignorant charlatanic attitude. I can’t stress it enough that you read through all of the material. I can retort to your weak arguments all day. Come on..

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@zhaetur, Care to share what exactly you consider to be disguised marketing?

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I love how you were over my shoulder as you watched me browse over the various sites I checked into to understand the ingredients mentioned on the website.

Anyway, the point of contribution was to inform you of the fact that you are being led astray by marketing techniques. It seems as if you are not quite as informed as you claim, since in my brief episode of research the other day I was able to find sources MUCH more reputable than this guy’s website that gave vastly different numbers which suggested that there are even better coffee beans which have a low frequency of susceptibility to the mycotoxins in the mold. His website claims that mold forms on about 50% of beans, but that number is a WHOLE lot closer to 80%.

Fortunately, the website is also mistaken in claiming that roasting only results in what I remember him stating as 10-30% of mycotoxin. That number, at least with the beans the study I found was on, resulted in a staggering 70-80% destruction rate of mycotoxin.

I’ve no reason to defend your ignorance. You have no idea what my research methods were. I didn’t feel like vomiting information you could have easily found yourself, and given the air of untouchability you present your argument in, it is apparent that the only way you will be willing to reevaluate this product is if you actually do the work yourself and come into it on your own.

As for the oil and butter stuff, you cannot be serious as to suggest NO one else has thought to get the most quality versions of these for their own concoctions of this super enhancer.

This guy is taking a product he makes, dressing it up, suggesting a pairing that makes it a super food, and using this angle as a method of marketing it.

That said, I’ve no further reason to discuss this with you since you already took it upon yourself to assume TWICE that, somehow, I’m not capable of actually doing the work to find legitimate information that dismisses this guy’s sales pitch. Get over yourself.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Before I can give a reply to your, finally acceptable, response. May you please provide me with link(s) to the information of this supposed study you consulted? I should also mention that I took it upon myself to asume TWICE that you were not capable of actually doing the work to find legitimate information because you made to claim to having done so. Can I read minds?? Nope.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

You should never assume. You made a statement, not an inquiry. I have no reason to appeal to you. I was trying to do you a favor by suggesting you reevaluate your position. You don’t have to take my word for it, but I’ve no reason to spoonfeed the information our there to you.

Levi, C. (1980). Mycotoxins in coffee. Journal-Association of Official Analytical Chemists, 63(6), 1282.

Further proof of roasting on eliminating other toxins: Romani, S., Pinnavaia, G. G., & Dalla Rosa, M. (2003). Influence of roasting levels on ochratoxin A content in coffee. Journal of agricultural and food chemistry, 51(17), 5168-5171.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

To never assume would be to reject all inductive and abductive reasoning. Consequently, doing so would refute all scientific evidence. Your arguments against me are based on scientific evidence so therefore your statement is self-refuting. BbbbDERPPP.

I don’t have time right now to read and evaluate these studies, but I’ll get back to you asap. They seem rather outdated by the way..

“… If you don’t argue with me, I don’t know what I think. So if we argue, I say ‘Thank you’, because owing to the courtesy of your taking a different point of view, I understand what I mean” – A. Watts

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Outdated…because the roasting of coffee has seen a DRASTIC change of pace since 2003.

And, yeah duh, assumption is necessary as a result of the human condition. I don’t need a philosophy lesson on the way this aspect of life works. Your statement is a given and, as such, holds no weight to defend what you’ve said. You assumed something you had the power to figure out easily. You chose to undermine my integrity rather than asking and informing yourself. You were being ignorant.

We are done here.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

You’re hilarious!!

I say outdated not because coffee has changed dramatically but that of scientific knowledge and inquiry. The changes over the past 10 years exceed exponentieel growth. Anyone can tell you this. Just take a look at the increase of human population over the past 10 years, relatively speaking.

And yes I had the power to figure this out easily. I exercised this power and found no cogent contradictions. I therefore, rationally, undermined your integrity when you neglected to provide supporting premises for your arguments. Ignorant on my part? Mmm, I beg to differ.

We are done here? LOL. I love how you stick a little comment like this at the end of all your posts. Tis simply a sign of insecurity.

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Cody (@versai)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@alanwatts The burden of proof isn’t the reader’s to bear. From the information you provided in your OP, sounds like a marketing play. Dieting and fitness are the two largest markets for people to scam, because people are willing to try anything since they have no real idea. If you are so confident in your bulletproof concoction, then continue it. But you asked for other’s experience too, and I can say that this looks 100% like a scam. If you have a degree in nutrition, feel free to give a more professional evaluation; but I have a marketing degree and boy, you are on their hook.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@versai,
Your remarks are of no use to me. Firstly, not every diet works the same for everyone, it is largely a matter of one obtaining their own empirical evidence. That being said, there are certainly some diets that are complete scams, others are backed by well researched and thought out scientific evidence. This being one of them.
Obviously don’t rely on what I say about this to infer that it is a marketing scam. Look at the primary source, not secondary or tertiary as I would provide. This should be fundamental knowledge for someone as yourself. Saying a little quip like “you are on their hook” doesn’t mean you’re right.
I invite you to research the nutrional information posted and documented and compare it with other peer-reviewed current documentation.
All you are doing with your “supposed” marketing degree is scaring off the weak minded from pursuing what would be a life-changing diet. Shame on you.

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ButternutSquash (@equanimity)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@alanwatts, You know, I’m starting to think you aren’t really Alan Watts…..

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@equanimity, I’m just a pseudo Watts.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

lol @ this.

For future reference, please, HEthens, when you make a post about some type of supplment or herbal remedy or something that claims incredible improvements of anything, please provide us with why we should believe this, what the active ingredients are, and some real scientific evidence on the stuff.

HOWEVER, to be fair, @Lytning91, he was only ASKING if anyone had experience with it. Not promoting it in anyway… Although then he started to defend it, which seemed slightly blind in its intention.

At any rate, I want everyone to realize that the human population has been around for hundreds of thousands of years. We have made many, many chemicals that influence us, and we have eaten and drank nearly all the plants and animals on earth. We have a huge database of what effects these things have and what they don’t do. To claim that in 2012, we somehow find some plant ingredients that are incredibly amazing to our species and are a new “breakthrough” needs to be backed up with incredible, undeniable evidence.

Its extremely unlikely.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, In my defense, it’s not an incredible ingredient; rather, it is a diet that consists of a lack of mycotoxins that we are exposed to on a regular basis.. I was only defending it against @Lytning91 dismissing it as a scam without providing any support as to why.

If anyone is interested in a very brief summary of the ‘upgraded self’ I would recommend listening to ‘ The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast #265′ featuring Dave Asprey.

I’ve spend enough time on this.. Since I’m no nutritionist I am not qualified to give responses to any questions. If there are any more skeptics please direct your skepticism towards Asprey himself on his website. He will gladly defend his position.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@alanwatts, well mycotoxins are interesting, at least!

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apricelessgoat (@aworthlessgoat)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@alanwatts, Wait a minute! Coffee? Your brilliant diet that you are on is coffee?
I’m no more a nutritionist than the rest of you but I don’t think coffee should be the staple of your diet. I always thought it was vegetables, fruit, water, grass fed meats, occasional nuts, seeds and dairy, and sparingly grains. What is coffee on that list? Seeds?

I didn’t look at the website because I find coffee to be disgusting anyways.

Also from what the people posting on this thread have said it sounds like someone made a website with the intention of selling their own personally made product. It could work, it could not, but they are marketing to you and there is no reason for them not to lie or make stuff up.

I’ve never heard of mct oil, but grass fed butter sounds like it would be good to use for cooking and eating.

My sources are my life and I try to eat as healthy and organic as possible because I need to.

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E.C.F. Doyle (@chekovchameleon)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@alanwatts, Coffee is not good for people. Fact. Besides if this is some super diet that improves you’re IQ by 20 points ( which I don’t even think makes sense, isn’t your IQ a constant throughout your life?) I don’t think I’d try it.

There shouldn’t be a quick fix for this kind of shit. If you want to lose weight, eat less, move more. If you want to stay focused, start focusing on stuff. If you want to get smarter, eat healthy, exercise, drink and drug less and read more or do brain stimulating activity.

You have to earn these kinds of things, you just don’t get them over a short space of time. Life is about the challenges, sacrificing idleness for achievements. Besides your body going through that kind of rapid change cannot be good.

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DaJetPlane (@lytning91)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I just don’t appreciate these kinds of things when there is no attempt whatsoever to truly promote a legitimate product. As soon as I mentioned a disbelief in the claims vs the information I gathered, I was met with belittlement and hostility rather than some informative links and a respectful approach to the whole situation.

I will grant OP that I made this thread go wildly off topic and I definitely could have come in softer with my skepticism, so for that I am sorry.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, lol, that’s reminds me: sometimes I amuse myself by subtracting 20 points from IQ scores people post online. I’m only half joking. A lot of times people take terrible tests online (I chuckle at how many think they have a 150+), or even take tests multiple times for a higher score.

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