By the way guys, did you know you have a potentially untapped sexual organ?
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P.S, sperm dies within a week or so, even in the testicles, and being re-absorbed and redone. It takes them 3 months to mature, but since your body is constantly reproducing them, they are constantly being reproduced, and theres no evidence that men who masturbate a lot have less fertility, if that were the case, teen pregnancy would be lower!
@Manimal Nothing you say makes any sense. Anyone who has studied and researched sexual health and been to a University and majored in medicine or biology like you claim to have done would know some of the following things (since they are taught in fucking high school sex ed and plainly common sense)
The male body is constantly, again, CONSTANTLY, producing sperm (as in your body is using nutrients to make the stuff whether you like it or not). You may have heard of a little thing called a “wet dream”. This is where the male body gets rid of excess sperm, which is basically your body telling you “hey if you’re not going to get rid of this I’ll do it while you’re asleep since you obviously don’t enjoy it”. Oh but I’m sorry, you’ve probably never had a wet dream because your so manly, so you have sex all the time with “real” girls and not your hands because that’s fucked up. Oh…wait…in having sex aren’t you ejaculating? Hm, I guess your going against your own bullshit advice.
A little side note here: you say jacking off isn’t exercise because it “doesn’t make you strong”. Sorry to burst your bubble, but any time your body uses glucose (hey biology major, here are some fancy biology terms I learned way back in high school for you) to move (i.e. turn the potential energy in the glucose to kinetic energy in the movement of your body) you are performing work (as in Work=Force x Distance). When you move a significant amount you burn calories (aka the amount of energy needed to raise 1 cubic mm of water 1 degree Celsius). It is generally accepted that the burning of calories in a significant amount is exercise. You see, there’s a little thing called cardio you may not of heard of because it doesn’t make your muscles big and make you “stronger”, but it’s exercise nonetheless and actually more important to your health because it keeps your lungs and heart (which supply oxygen to the brain) healthy. Jerking off is obviously not at the same caliber as running, but it is nevertheless (although depending on if you can only last a couple minutes it may be pretty insignificant) exercise.
Now I’m not one for putting things up my ass either (I’ve got nothing against it, just not my cup of tea), but your main arguments, as far as I recall, are as follows: It makes you sterile, and it stretches and destroys muscles that shouldn’t be stretched and destroyed. On the sterility issue, it’s complete bullshit, ’nuff said. On the muscle part I’m going to break this down into two sections. Section 1: The stretching and destroying muscles part. Now by your comment about exercise needing to make you strong to count as exercise, I am assuming you have lifted weights before (and if you haven’t I’m assuming you agree it is healthy). I don’t know if you know this, but when you lift weights, you are *gasp* stretching your muscles and producing micro tears (aka destroying) muscle. It is when your body rebuilds and repairs this muscle that you become stronger. So if anything, putting shit in your ass is only making your inner ass muscles stronger. (So basically if some dude A rapes dude B, if dude B has strengthened his butt muscles buy putting stuff up there, he would be more successful in refusing entry–irony anyone?) Oh, speaking of shit, let’s move on to, Section 2: The your butt muscles aren’t supposed to be stretched and destroyed part. Have you ever taken a shit? Shit is waste that travels from the colon to outside of your ass. Have you ever seen shit? It’s bigger than your closed asshole. Hmmm. How did it get out? Eureka! Your ass must have stretched to allow it to pass through. Well looks like the only difference between shitting and putting stuff up your ass is the direction.
As for the part about plastic being absorbed by your body. This is partially true. Plastic water bottles are evidence of the fact. However, as you said before-only concerning dildos and the like at the time-toys can be made of different materials. Such as metal, or glass. Oh hey, even if metal and glass get absorbed by your body (which they practically don’t since any amount is so trace it wouldn’t do anything) aren’t you just giving your body nutrients such as the plethora of metals that are healthy for you, or silicon (aka glass) which makes up part of your body anyway.
So to conclude, I’m not trying to get you to masturbate or shove stuff up your ass. As you said before, it’s all a matter of opinion. However, DON’T make up bullshit to try and justify the fact that you are an asshole who likes to hate on stuff that you don’t agree with. Oh wait, I may have just stated my opinion that you are an asshole was a fact. Sorry.
So in saying it’s okay to stick your dick up a woman’s ass, you’re saying its okay to tear and destroy her ass muscles (which is bullshit–see above–I’m just proving how much of an asshole I believe you to be) but heaven forbid a guy do it to himself.
Also, I’m not aware if you are aware of this but physical stimulation to a woman’s vagina is pleasurable. In other words, it feels fantastic to have something rubbing the inside of her snatch (also the outside–search “clitoris” for more information). This fact is fact regardless of whether she finds a man attractive, a female attractive, or both, or neither. A woman is a lesbian when she is physically–and mentally but mainly physically because sex is very physical–attracted to women and not so with men. Ergo, the sight of a man could at best do absolutely nothing for her and at worst be repulsive. Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that it would feel good to have something rubbing her the right way. It would just desirably not be a man doing the rubbing.
Do demonstrate this let me pose a hypothetical situation. You see, there is a concentration of nerve endings in a mans penis. If man A approaches man B, regardless of whether or not man B is homosexual, those nerve endings would send signals of sexual stimulation to the brain of man B if man A started rubbing his junk. Now I can tell you’re thinking if man B is heterosexual he wouldn’t be letting man A rub his junk, but the same stands if man B is rendered immobile and raped. In other words, a dude could jack you off and whether or not you are repulsed by the fact that a dude is jacking you off, he could jack you off nonetheless and you would climax nonetheless.
@Andrew Are you a genetic scientist? Have you read more than one report on the claims you make? If not, then there is no sense in attacking riku’s info like that. Ejaculation isn’t the finish line, it’s the concrete wall that you run into after the finish line if you have no control. Orgasm is the finish line, and if you don’t ejaculate you cun run many more laps. And seriously, do you really think you get blueballs just because you don’t burst?
@Alex E Blue balls require more than just abstaining from nutting. And like you say, dead sperm gets reabsorbed. In a healthy person, blue balls are taken care of automatically during sleep, often through ejaculation. This guy has more problems than a mental block against turkey choking.
And how is it unnatural to not masturbate? That’s a very weird statement. It’s a choice. There is no instinct that makes people masturbate, it’s a chosen entertainment.
The part about a haircut is just ridiculous. Those are dead cells that aren’t being reproduced rapidly all the time. 2-3 ounces is also a small load, the result of ejaculating too often.
Frequent masturbation does reduce fertility. The 2-3 ounces is one piece of evidence. Another is the sperm cell content and quality. Look at some statistics, you will see that the rate at which sperm cell quantity and quality has sunk, very closely matches the rate at which porn has increased and masturbation has become more accepted. Go have a look at the statistics.
@Don Just because I’ve studied at their schools doesn’t mean I swallow their bullshit. They don’t know their shit. Results don’t lie.
Not everyone has wet dreams. It’s usually just a phase in the teenage years. And I do not ejaculate when I bang a girl, where did you get that dumb idea?
You can try to justify it all you want, but jacking off isn’t an exercise. Why are you getting so defensive? If you wanna be a wanker, go ahead, it’s your choice. Why do you need to justify it with a bunch of bullshit? Grow up, man.
Putting stuff up your ass doesn’t strengthen the sphincters or the pc muscle, it weakens them and can cause permanent damage if done wrong. Clenching strengthens them, forcing them open does not. Are you dumb or something? Taking it up the ass is not like lifting weights, it’s like having weights lifted off of you.
The stuff about sticking it in a girl’s butt is something you made up yourself, I never said that shit. Stop being so desperate for “winning” the argument.
By your logic about the vagina stuff, rape feels good to a woman. If you knew anything you wouldn’t say such bullshit.
And the stuff about being aroused unwillingly isn’t right. If someone rapes you you won’t cum, because the body isn’t everything. You can’t enjoy sex that you don’t want and which is forced on you. Sex is more mental than physical. Get your facts straight, if you even know what a fact is.
P.S. You mad
…Shawn… Unecessary. He’s not a dick, he is expressing his opinion through his own vocabulary just like you do. Your imagined tone of his words have nothing to do with what the words are saying.
Manimal, I’m gonna have to agree with Tits on this one, I read what you wrote on first page and so much of that is not a reality. What Don has wrote is closer to what I have read (with the exclusion of his last paragraph, first post on this page (4)). You should consider revaluating your claim this time.
Masturbation for men is a completely natural thing. Its a natural urge and suppressing it isn’t. As for feeling weak after doing it, is not because its an exercise or drains nutrients from the body, When men ejaculate, there is a release of a cocktail of chemical/harmones in the brain. One of these is prolactin which ensures that the body gets enough recovery time before its ready for the next round. During sleep, proclactin levels are higher than normal. Animals injected with this chemical produce immediate results of tiredness in them.
As for holding semen (not ejaculating) during an orgasm, that’s something I’ve never heard of. How many of you guys can do that??
I am just going to throw my 2 cents into this one.
First off, masturbation is NOT a completely natural thing. Sexual intercourse is the “natural thing” and masturbation has become the socially accepted form of sexual release when sex is not an option. The natural urge is for sexual intercourse in order to make babies, not to jerk off into a
If you really look at what he is saying without personal preferences, stored “facts” or biases, Manimal makes a lot of sense and has got me very curious about the points he has made. Curiosity mixed with a healthy dose of scepticism has propelled me to do my own research on the subject as it is something I have never really questioned.
As for the Manimal bashing, I do not understand why? He has expressed an opinion on something it looks like no one else here has really questioned, and who are feverently defending “facts” they learned previously (grade 10 health class? Really? I have discovered a great chunk of BS I “learned” in high school was incorrect) while demanding he cite his sources.
Go look it up yourself. Stop demanding he do the work for you. He did his homework, so go do yours.
Manimal is getting bashed because he’s claiming things that are SIMPLY NOT TRUE. His views are against common knowledge and he views this as a good thing because he thinks respecting authority, respecting the fact that some people are more knowledgable than you are on any given topic is blindsided. If you rather trust on claimed experiences of some internet guy you don’t know then fine. But if you are inclined to believe Manimals statements then you would be wise to look into a medical textbook to see if it makes any sense whatsoever(because it doesn’t).
Manimal is the one being asked a source for his claims because he is the one that is going against the grain, making claims common sense can tell you are false. This means we should be inclined NOT to believe him unless he can show some compelling evidence that supports his stance.
Elaborate on why you think masturbation is unnatural please. Also, do you believe animals are thinking about having babies when having sex or are they just following their urges? Are you thinking about babies when having sex?
Natural imo is just a hollow term in this context to convey your opinion in a way that makes it look more objective. We are humans, we stem from nature, how can we ever do anything that is unnatural? Define natural.
@ Steven – I am not trusting on anything. I am reading what he says and what he says piques my curiosity. Bashing someone because he is “going against the grain” is simply narrow minded and completely unfair. He may be some internet guy, but he deserves a little more respect than he is getting due to the sheer volume of very concise and intellectually poignant posts he had posted on this site alone.
Common sense tell me are false? Is not this common sense you speak of something we should be questioning? Simply accepting what is claimed to be common sense without questioning it strikes me as foolish and Manimal has done just that. To call him names and rip into him seems that no one is actually listening to what he says and allowing him his opinion. I for one have never considered the idea that masturbation could have negative effects, and thanks to Manimal, I will now look into it myself.
I am not saying believe him, I am saying it is entirely possible that he is correct, and thanks to my innate scepticism, I read it all with a grain of salt mixed with an open mind.
The biological function of the organ in question determines, to me, what is natural or not. Animals having sex are following their natural urges to procreate. When a stallion has sex with a mare, it is a violent affair with a great amount of danger to both horses. The stallion is following his urges not for pleasure, but his natural and biological urge to procreate.
We humans have decided we like the pleasure of sex, and with our egos urge to recreate sensual pleasures it has enjoyed, we self-pleasure ourselves. Calling it natural or not is a matter of semantics, but from the way I defined it above, masturbation is not natural.
I don’t know about all the facts here but, it sounds like it could be good for you to try to practice both forms. I believe that we are all slightly bisexual, and that a suppression of the natural desire is unhealthy. So maybe it’s a good thing to try for people who haven’t. Interesting discussion here. I know that I personally don’t enjoy this form of masturbation, but– maybe I’ll find a girl that’s into it and like it. As for right now I’m content with what I have.
What irks me about Manimal is that he’s stated he doesn’t care about opinions, only facts… yet he’s failed to provide a single source of proof for any of his claims, instead only stating that he’s “studied” it. Then he asked somebody why they care what he says – it’s only his opinion. Hypocrite and troll, in my opinion (which he doesn’t care about, right?).
@jesusbob, why do you think monkeys masturbate, and is it unnatural when they do it?
I don’t consider myself to be all that experimental but a good chode ticklin’ (at least) is a nice touch during any oral sex, male or female. I’ve always thought that was pretty routine.
@Jesusbob The biological function of the organ in question determines, to me, what is natural or not.
The biological function of my sex organ doesn’t change whether I have sex with my girlfriend or with a rock.
@Jesusbob The stallion is following his urges not for pleasure, but his natural and biological urge to procreate.
Pleasure is exactly why the stallion followes this urge. There is no difference between the urge for pleasure and the urge to procreate.
@Jesusbob We humans have decided we like the pleasure of sex, and with our egos urge to recreate sensual pleasures it has enjoyed, we self-pleasure ourselves. Calling it natural or not is a matter of semantics, but from the way I defined it above, masturbation is not natural.
There is no decision making involved if we like the pleasure of sex or not. It is biologically hardwired. All people who experienced extreme pain while having sex would be extinct by now.
Also, you still haven’t exactly defined natural.
Sex for pleasure is SO human. We need to get over the idea that anything sexual that doesn’t result in a baby is somehow wrong.
I know what I believe about sex (that it’s fun, amazing, increases bonds and makes you healthier) and I guess I’m just sad that so many of you seem determined to feel guilty about it.
Yes, sex can be a distraction, but so can eating if you do it gluttonously.
I think that your approach to sex says a lot about your approach to life. So if you want to try something, I say try it! And try to be safe.
@jesusbob, I respectfully disagree about how intellectual poignant his views/posts are. If I tell you the earth is in fact flat and that what you learned in school about this is nonsense you would require me to back up that statement. The same goes for Manimal. Common sense is a good thing. You would be wise to question it, but when lacking evidence of the contrary common sense is the way to go.
I think you’re reading to much into the thoughts of a stallion. His natural urge is not to procreate, his natural urge is to stick his penis into a mare, just because that’s what he is programmed to do. This urge is completely as natural as my urge to jack off once in a while. I would be very surprised if the stallion even realised that this is where the babies come from.
I would say the whole point of this site, and consequently this post (thanks to Raphael for sparking this debate <- see what I did there) is to challenge ourselves to become open-minded, try new things and broaden our boundaries and limitations (mentally, physically, psychologically, sexually and I could go on).
For example, before I found this site, I would never have contemplated meditation, visualization, alternate sleep cycles or any of the other new and exciting experiences this site has challenged me to take on.
In light of this, I find it a bit saddening how this has changed from a topic that is supposed to concern something different and an alternative experience to try and test out (if you’re willing), to an intense argument where I sense a lot of ego and pride is ruining a healthy conversation.
So Manimal has very strong opinions and had no skaam (“shy” as we like to say in South Africa) in expressing this. Although I do not agree with the intensity and close-mindedness with which he expressed himself as well as comments of certain practices being f-ed up, everyone trying to point out how everyone else’s argument is unsupported and confronting or provoking each other is not the right way to go about this I think (even though I do like a good debate).
For me, this has been an unbelievable learning curve, and like everything else in this community has questioned something I do or don’t do and the dogmatic beliefs I still have. I’d like to think it’s all about trying something different, if it doesn’t feel right/good/pleasurable then you’ll quickly find out it’s not for you.
I would say nothing and everything is natural (a duality of life I guess) because every human-being views this world subjectively, through their own eyes (which fundamentally makes this world an interesting place). Thus different things are pleasurable to different people, just like everyone has different tastes in food, clothing etc and this way I don’t think anything like this could ever be considered “f-ed up”.
I see it as a a new experience you COULD try, just like fore exampled you never knew you would like strawberry flavoured ice-cream until you tried it out?
Much truth there Tine, also enjoyed your previous posts and I tend to agree with pretty much everything you’ve said even though I’m still trying to retain an objective point of view and keep in mind that people really can be just vastly different.
I am also extremely against radically forcing your own opinion on others, which is why I love the passive and gently enriching nature of this site – kind of like a “how about giving this a bash” approach rather than “this is wrong that is right and you can’t argue otherwise”. I find HE to emit a sense of malleable opinions and free, open-minds capable of confronting the endless amount of long-held dogma’s in today’s society which people otherwise wouldn’t even mention opposing.
I think it’s great that masturbation (to my knowledge only, forgive any ignorance) in it’s first existence was frowned upon, and has now become more generally accepted but as of this post has been challenged again! It’s pretty incredible to think what a different place this world could be if every single person adopted the traits of this blog, and also challenged their contradicting beliefs and opinions in their own minds.
What takes the most strength I would say, is to disarm yourself and everybody else with a non-aggressive nature and soft words conveying your opinion rather than exerting it, which is perhaps not what Manimal did or has done.