Can we start a revolution?
Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.
Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?
I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.
Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.
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I don’t think rioting, trying to force people into free thought, or property damage (graffiti) would be an advocated solution, but I have a spark that might be fairly agreeable.
I think the first steps would be a physical location of note, for self realised pilgrims to quest, this could take the form of some sort of refuge temple high in the Himalayas i.e.
or more accessibly, a basement coffee shop in New York, tucked away on a side-street and off the map, with a huge back-cellar hidden behind a cutaway wine barrel door or bookcase, with a large discussion room (flame lit) for discussion of note, an absolutely huge library twisting away into the depths of the vast ceiling, several antechambers and side rooms for meditation use, study, or smaller discussions.
Essentially, members, ‘in the know’ would make it their effort to spread the word to those in a similar ‘knowledge seeking’ state and it is here that matters of importance would be discussed but with much more grounding and flow than could ever occur on a non-physical forum.
Just think, we’d essentially carry out very deep and meaningful discussion on topics continually amidst consumption of fine food and drinks, I bet we’d combined, blast through several hundred streams of thought every few hours, all of which should be documented on parchment, to later be written into Hardback leather-bound books.
The reason for all this secrecy, flame-lit, hood-wearing, stone-cellar, leather-bound hood-winkling-ness? So that we gain sufficient prestige to the outside world, anyone looking in as an outlooker would see this as a very cool cause simply for the physical aspects of it, which in the end contribute to nothing internally, we are all equal and we are all objectively seeking knowledge.
What makes it cooler is that we are ever-open to new members, there are no limitations on our part imposed for joining, and the media attention we garner summons a large amount of interest, where we debunk any mystery or cult-accusation, basically stating we are free thinkers who like to talk, and then go on to throw out a load of self-published material in the form of Books and other Articles specifically designed to start people thinking.
These can make reference to, and include, religious and spiritual discussion, but cannot directly be related nor associated to, any one particular religion or belief stream, because to do so would be assuming the beliefs of one human being over another, and this is something I believe would contradict the cause as a whole.
The way I see it, all humans, in-the-know or not, are equal, it is very easy when you become enlightened or knowledgable to start thinking you are a savior-saint, and that everyone else is wrong and dumb compared to you, or should be shunned for not free-thinking or obeying your beliefs for whatever reason. I think it is possible to bring anyone around to a state of realisation, but it is a complex and long-time process, and does require a choice on behalf of the person to accept change.
The books would be engineered to close on a note of openness, almost with a ‘cliffhanger’ ending, that leaves the reader wanting and thirsting for more, and this would be the beginning of a new era of thought. I’m sure there’d be critics who would put it down to nothing more than ‘idle fiction’ but the number of readers who gain an actual positive effect or epiphany through the readings would snowball into a large scale mass exodus.
@Alex and Matt, the Zeitgeist movement isn’t associated with Marxism or any other political system. Sure, it has a lot of qualities in common with Marxism, which is what makes most people (especially Americans) condemn the Zeitgeist Movement — in addition to the debunking of religion and conspiracy-claims regarding 9/11 in the first movie (which in fact has nothing to do with the movement itself). Anyway, it is explained in the oriantation guide (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf) and of course the film (http://zeitgeistmovie.com/) why this isn’t Marxism.
@Jordan, you might be right that we need a stepping stone in order to make the necessary changes. I don’t think so though. Give the current system some time and things will get worse. The unemployment rate will continue to rise, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer and an economic crisis will become permanent. When people see with their own eyes how shitty things actually are, they will be more susceptible to a paradigm shift like the Zeitgeist Movement proposes.
Of course, I could be wrong.
@siantastic, aha so I see. But first things first if you ask me. We have to gather people!
@jordan, are you supporting this idea? I was thinking about using the biggest social network, Facebook, to gather people and fully explain and structurise this idea about spreading a stencil-message, because these topics are perfect for discussions but not for organising etc. So, what about if we set up an open facebook group, which everybody ofcourse can join (and which you, Jordan, could possibly share on the HE-fbpage or write an article about it so we can reach some motivated HE-souls), where we set out our plans and finally start to realise this possible-lifechanging idea. We may not reach everybody at this globe, or change the world, but every individual which we may influence, will be damn well worth it.
It saddens me that the Zeitgeist Movement has only been mentioned once in this discussion, especially considering the fact that Jordan started a thread about the film “Zeigeist: Moving Forward” four months ago. Are you not as convinced as you were, Jordan? Or do the movement’s proposed solutions it seem too “unrealistic”? For me, it is unnecessary to start a new revolution when there is an existing movement like TZM, which, in my opinion, provides doable remedies to most of the world’s problems today. There must be a global revolution (or at least evolution) at some point in order for the human species to survive, why not start today?
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Zeitgeist Movement: check out the previously mentioned thread and, more importantly, the film, which is imbedded in the first post.
@Alex – I didn’t quite catch your argument about the monetary system. You say it’s a “GOOD thing when you take into account what the average person is like.”
Whoa, that’s a statement that needs to be clarified. What is the average person like? And what makes it a good thing?
About “rasing awareness”: Of course that alone won’t get you far, but the actions that follow are direct consequences of the new information people are being taught. If no one knows the need for change, no one will change anything.
The system is a mess at best. The media is crooked, politicians are corrupt, are current system of debt isn’t so much different from share cropping. There are unjust wars and slavery all over the planet.
How much worse could it get? Why would you be any less trusting of someone trying to change the system than the system that is already established?
@paul i get your point but sadly that’s the way it is, if we got rid of TV, magazines, some movies, etc, people would NOT be happy, sheep must wake up, I hope this video helps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGw3iuh82jo
If we’re going to start a revolution we need to have more followers, for now all we can do is wake people up.
@vizznou, i like it man, but do you think people would really go home and watch that? Life in a day was extremely insightful, i loved it, but to the average person it would be a awaste of time or they might think your the same as any other person trying to spread a message. See, i already have a useless tag on that dude.
@jordan…i agree with you; to a point…yes; you can start something like brittney’s idea of “wake up”…and you could have people join this action…but; as soon as the excitement wears off…the masses will leave …i lived through the sixties…the concepts of changing the world went up in smoke (haha) and you were left with many fractions via for there own piece of the action…it all crumbled…no peace but we did get out of viet nam…we lost…
to me the only true change can come when an individual chooses to change themselves…i realize it is a long and slow struggle…and; if, we only have 18 months ahead of us…not doable …but; if one person makes the decision to change for the better he/she can assists another who wants to change…
now the real downside to this…all have to change to the same idea …otherwise; the change will not be a united change but a free for all :D…which brings us back to where we are now :D
change is taking place …more and more people are seeking inner knowledge…your site proves this out…more than 2000 new subscribers since i have been here…my suggestion be patient …let your site be the beacon for the true seeker…you are making a difference…and 3600 people + seem to agree with me :D (hang in there jordan; you are doing just fine)
@Jonas, but that could be years away. Waiting for it to be bad enough for people to open their eyes should be the backup plan. I’d rather get something going and learn from this smaller movement to get to the larger one sooner and to be more prepared for it. I just don’t see a point in not starting now.
The way our political system works makes it very difficult for a third party to be viable, but I think a centrist party would be the only real way to start a revolution. The problem with this is that once in power even the most well meaning people can be corrupted. The revolution can’t stop with throwing out our current policy makers, it must also change policy and the way our government works. The main issues with our government are campaign finance and the lobbying power of large corporations and organizations. Changing these will require a large group of ideological people passing bills that will most likely cause them to not be re-elected. One thing that can help change the two party system would be run off elections, where candidates needs to win with a majority and not just a plurality. Some states and localities have already started implementing an instant run off election process where you basically rank the canidates from first to last, other states have actual run off elections. This allows people to vote for third party candidates without feeling that their vote is being wasted (Ralph Nader syndrome…)
Nice topic and nice ideas you have there!
@bobbylloydxd, I think a revolution IS possible and that we not only can but if we know that something is wrong we should change it!
In my own opinion I think that the violence is the last resource you should use, but I also think that sometimes it is necesary!
I think there is a great tool, but we underestimate its power, it is the Internet!
We can start a movement, it needs to be globaly, not only in USA, but also if posible in other places like Latin America or Europe. Using the Internet as our “central”, with a webpage. Its just an idea but im sure it will work, with the help of the people and of the internet we could organize events, and place posters in the streets.
But I think the first thing is that everyone realizes that we NEED a change, and when everyone, or at least the most understands that, a revolution will not be so hard to start. :)
Personally, I am rather pessimistic about the masses as a whole. Perhaps because the public I have currently encountered isn’t the kind that favors enjoying education or being progressive in individual ways. I think that a revolution can be started best with the youngest of the current population, before they form habits and boxes to view this world out of. My old idea for this was turning children onto vividly and intelligently illustrated children’s books and away from the television (as well as away from modern cartoons, but that’s another topic/ offtopic). I was thinking that letting the books become mind-liberating zines with the right and psychologically healthy concepts for kids to grasp could give them the strength and clarity to think and see for themselves in years to come.
But, back to subject; I see a lot of good zines happening around the internet, I think that all these people need to unite and support each other. I like your idea!
@Jonas the problem with the zeitgeist movement is that it advocates a resource based economy which is very unrealistic to many people. (im not one of them) And they have not spread the word very well, the only people i know that have heard of it are people interested in a site like this. But I think this movement could be one to try and stand up to the government and make some change… eventually getting enough peoples attention to something more like the zeitgeist movement.
-And zeitgeist is attached to the complete debunking of religion and 911 being a inside job which i feel turns many away from it.
We are talking about making extreme changes to the US government through civil disobedience. I believe that if we were to succeed it would have worldwide effects.
I am happy with who I am and who I am becoming, I don’t need infinite advice on better things to do with my life than try to change this extremely oppressive system.
What we need are people that agree that we are ready for a change, and people that are willing to make it happen.
@Jordan, maybe we do need to move this to a more private forum.
I am excited for your guys stencils. Believe me that they will start popping up in all of the towns that I have influence.
I say we take the rise up domain name if it is available.
@blankey, the first en third paragraph I mean. We can never change the way the world works, because then we would need the whole world to start a fundalmental revolution and throw away with the government and political system we have now to start again “tabula rasa”. Herbert Marcuse has an really interesting philosophy about this, you should check that out.
If you’re asking me, changing the world with this idea is a bit naive, the big companies and banks have too much power, as you said in your 2nd paragraph.
We have to start the stencils, QR codes, flyers, whatever you want to use to spread our word, so we can make a change in people’s lives, one individual at a time.
I see what you mean Skip. Focus on change should definitely be local. That’s where life happens. But there needs to be a large scale, widespread movement with the same general messages. Communities can figure out how things best work for them, but if we can all be guided by good general principles, then at least there’s a common direction and a huge net of support.
Please nobody say its not possible. I agree whole heartedly with:
Bobby said 2 days, 8 hours ago:
With every person I have ever gotten involved in intellectual discussion with, it has come up that there is no hope for our current society. That people are to dumb, and to distracted to care about anything important. I completely disagree.
There has never been a better time in humanity to connect to like minded people.