Can we start a revolution?

3 years, 5 months ago

Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.

Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?

I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.

Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.

06.15.2011 at 9:54 pm

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Profile photo of Timmy Timmy (@timmy) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

I’ve been searching for available domains since Brittney’s 3-step plan caught my attention. http://www.riseup.com is currently available and owned by no one =D

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Profile photo of Exist Exist (@exist) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

There’s too much aggression being hinted at here, a ‘fight’ against closed mindedness, which in turn makes the agressor closed minded for not considering circumstances which lead to that persons belief, and unnecessary anger from the defending party for the defence of these beliefs.

I suggest you re-read my idea, the mass-media attention through non-aggressive acts of free thought, showing what is possible from a small group of free thinking individuals aiming to inspire good in the world.

Then releasing a set of books and other reading materials/ perhaps a television program designed to inspire thought, lateral thinking and trigger the start of personal development in millions of people.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@april…i agree with you :D

@jordan…to me your website is the revolution in progress :D (plus you stated you wanted to add a video and a group chat very good ideas)

@geoff…i agree; it has to be done without anger…otherwise you have a bloody war on your hands :D (tinychat…could be your media outlet…and i believe jordan is planning to put a video chat thing here which would be a great media outlet…there is also a thing called live streaming and global one tv)

this is why to me…a revolution has to be an inner revolution…an outer revolution leads to war…inner revolution leads to peace one individual at a time :D

war has never worked…it is all about power…greed …destruction…i am not a fan of this…people are what is important not flags, religion, or money…when people change of their own free will you can have a great movement ahead of you :D

you do not need a government or anybody telling you what is right…if; one changes from the inside one discovers his/her own inner peace and becomes this light for all to see :D

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Profile photo of Alec Alec (@alec7) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@geoff – thats a pretty cool idea, but more difficult to gain traction initially. I think you have to work hard to spread your message, but the message should be one that causes people to examine themselves without passing judgement.

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Profile photo of Jordan Lejuwaan Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Okay one more time, this thread is about a political revolution NOT a spiritual revolution. There’s is another thread about that from a month or so ago for those interested. I love the enthusiasm for changing more than our government, but this isn’t the place. A spiritual movement was always my goal until now, for many of the reasons stated by you guys in this discussion, I feel a political one in the US is more feasible and almost MORE necessary.

This country has turned into a huge joke. The daily show doesn’t even have to try to fun things to make fun of; ignorance is everywhere. Have you seen the candidates for the 2012 election? It’s like Bush v Kerry but worse (with the exception of Ron Paul of). Something must be done.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

revolution or protests or twitter or w.e. those are the “tools” you use… but before you choose your devices you need to know specifically what you want to use them for…
okay, everything sucks etc… what do you WANT the situation to be like?
@Jordan Lejuwaan what exactly do you think needs to be changed politically, I mean specifics, not just complaining or making broad statements like “the government is terrible.”
lastly, besides you or me, realistically, does the average person want the same changes you are calling for?
what, exactly, would be the perfect outcome…

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Profile photo of Jonas Jonas (@jonfonn) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

It saddens me that the Zeitgeist Movement has only been mentioned once in this discussion, especially considering the fact that Jordan started a thread about the film “Zeigeist: Moving Forward” four months ago. Are you not as convinced as you were, Jordan? Or do the movement’s proposed solutions it seem too “unrealistic”? For me, it is unnecessary to start a new revolution when there is an existing movement like TZM, which, in my opinion, provides doable remedies to most of the world’s problems today. There must be a global revolution (or at least evolution) at some point in order for the human species to survive, why not start today?

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Zeitgeist Movement: check out the previously mentioned thread and, more importantly, the film, which is imbedded in the first post.

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Profile photo of t-rav t-rav (@travis) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@Jonas the problem with the zeitgeist movement is that it advocates a resource based economy which is very unrealistic to many people. (im not one of them) And they have not spread the word very well, the only people i know that have heard of it are people interested in a site like this. But I think this movement could be one to try and stand up to the government and make some change… eventually getting enough peoples attention to something more like the zeitgeist movement.
-And zeitgeist is attached to the complete debunking of religion and 911 being a inside job which i feel turns many away from it.

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Profile photo of Jordan Lejuwaan Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@Alex, those are all fantastic questions to answer :) I’ll have to think about them in-depth tonight and come back with some full answers.

For starters I would specifically target the 2 party system, rules on campaign funding, re-establishing the basic American freedoms that have been infringed upon, the electoral college, military spending (!!!), environmental protection (!!!!!!!!), poverty, corporate taxation, lobbying, strict capitalism (is horrible) and our welfare system that promotes remaining stagnant, unemployed and needing welfare.

What else? The list could go on for a while…

@Jonas — I am still completely behind the Zeitgeist movement but I think it is too extreme a change for now. Some of the elements of it will be included but I see this primary revolution as a stepping stone in that direction. With a competent government in power that actually cares about the likelihood of it’s people, Zeitgeist principles could and would be implemented simply because they makes sense. The US could then be an example for the entire world like we USED TO BE with regard to democracy and capitalism.

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I don’t think there is a way to overthrow the US government without killing LOTS of people.

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Just putting that out there

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Profile photo of mick mick (@micko79) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Mr Tits u hit the nail on the head there…..But i believe the lads & lassies were discussing a less violent way…..@GEOFF great ideas…But meanwhile back in Europa….The Revolution is alive & kickin’…..The Greeks made a move last nite…The Spanish got a kick in the Balls from the Germans… regards the ecoli cucumbers….they wiped 200million overnite by pointing the finger….Turned out to be Beansprouts in Germany….A lot of issues here Guys & Gals …. You Americanos I am directing my spiel to….El Revolucione has Started.
Lets Aspire…. to revolting in an orderly fashion…using all available means of a Compassionate Peaceful Forgiving Tolerant type of Action….We Will Overcome….
Remember they have ALL the Guns…..
Peace/Love/light/Happiness/Success..

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@general tits von chodenhoffen — I don’t think that overthrowing the U.S. gov is what everyone’s talking about… rather I think this whole discussion is focused on taking proactive steps towards reformation. Reforming the way our administration, country, laws, politics, etc are managed to better suit our modern world and better the lives of millions of people (hopefully!)

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

at least thats how I see it! I honestly don’t think that crying blindly “Revolution!” is going to get anyone anything other than an adrenaline rush, some followers who think revolutions are cool, and maybe a black eye…

but realistically change CAN happen, you just have to go about it strategically. Its going to need impeccable management and people who genuinely care about working towards making the world a better place. Even revolutions, don’t happen overnight.

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Profile photo of Em Em (@emily) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

To avoid Tits’s scenario–we’d all have to remember what Martijn said, that if you force resistance, you’ll be met with more resistance. Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
I think we should take a “pro-(insert cause here)” as opposed to “anti-(insert cause here)” stance–whole law of attraction thing.
Brittany I love your ideas!! Bobby way to get this going!! I hear what Robert, Skip, & others on that stance are saying. And I do agree to a point. Change yourself for sure to make yourself happy. Once you’re happy though–or even if you’re not–helping people will for sure make you even happier…that shit feels soooo good. Makes me wanna show my O face :)
We will start at the community level. Volunteering (I don’t like that term, I feel like it has a stigma?)–I think is the way to go, or the way to start. Meaning, starting to help out in your community without getting paid. Go out on a limb & start meeting people in the social services arena & start talking to them. If you want to change things…first you’ll have to understand how things work right? Help out!! Don’t take no for an answer. If they tell you, the only way you can help is to donate $, come up with an idea instead! The positive energy will spread. I’m asking to see if I could teach yoga at the local homeless shelter. I’m no certified yoga instructor–they sure as shit aren’t going to pay me—but I know it will feel good for me, and be good for others! People will see what you’re doing-and not only the energy, but the compassion, and the idea that “it’s OK to be compassionate toward strangers” will spread too.
Uh oh, rambling again.. This is awesome guys… I’m on board, sign me up!

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

at least thats how I see it! I honestly don’t think that crying blindly “Revolution!” is going to get anyone anything other than an adrenaline rush, some followers who think revolutions are cool, and maybe a black eye ;-)

but realistically change CAN happen, you just have to go about it strategically. Its going to need impeccable management and people who genuinely care about working towards making the world a better place. Even revolutions, don’t happen overnight.

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Profile photo of Matt P Matt P (@mkp843) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

the only idea that everyone has to agree upon is the current system is whack, everything, from slaughter houses, to how they grow food, our energy, our transportation, it all sucks ass, it’s all for profit… And the ‘Wake Up’ thing is brilliant… but tagging property is a no go for me… I wouldn’t argue that it could be affective tho, and basically free… but to kick the dead horse again… i think it takes money to change the world, and the ppl with it, are the ones that need to have the heart awakening, if that happens, look out, cause shit is going down… That is just my take, I could see that the ppl with the absolute power, might make things so bad people actually put their foot down, like in Europe, they were given promises, and the promises were broken, that is unacceptable.. but you need everyone on board, like scientists, and business owners, and basically all the brilliant minds… they are the ones that we need to become excited about making a change… creating free energy, a society that you can actually be mobile in… Seeing injustice motivates me, but again on the grafitti part and what I said about the brilliant minds.. not that you wouldn’t get a positive outcome, but it could be viewed as juvenuile, and turn brilliant thinkers away… You could however make very disturbing videos of the reality of the injustices in our world, and how that trickles down to all of us… if enough people show the people with the power how to change the world, it might actually happen… The zietgiest movement is cool, but it doesn’t give a plan… you have to show the better way in black in white, you have to figure out the economics… It could happen, but the system doesn’t want awesome products that would last a lifetime and were cheap… they wouldn’t get rich… Half of the powerful people think the are better than others is my take… it’s like windows 2.0.. they could make 10.0 now.. but why would they when they can make huge profits from 3.0, then 4.0, then 5.0… make THEM do it… or get the masses to make them

I think you have to have ppl like tony robinson on the mission.. you have to have the right message, and the proper information, you have to get the power away from the politcians somehow, they are lobbyist puppets, it no longer matters who you vote for, it never did in my life time, protesting lobbying would be very powerful I think…. I really have seen time and again that it takes something bad to happen, for something good to come… and to avoid that situation, would take a powerful, organized message… not a desire to change, but a blueprint… Love the Wake Up idea… awesome

And I agree with Robert, this website is like a revolution…

I think if ppl legalized marijuana the world would change lol… changing the world is a huge goal but I believe… and remember money has a giant mouth and never stops talking, if ppl would just stop listening… that would be something

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Profile photo of Matt P Matt P (@mkp843) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

and tits all you have to do is kill the ppl in power, not the people….

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@ Matt P — or anyone else who knows!! side question…aren’t Zeigeists essentially trying to take a modern spin on Marxism? Confused, correct me if I’m wrong!

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Profile photo of Matt P Matt P (@mkp843) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

I’m not in a position to know.. I only watched one film… but it gave no credible plan as to how to make the change, step 1 to 10… you need the ppl with that knowledge on board imo… I have to look up Marxism for that matter lol.. but I’m familiar with almost all the other ones… Unfortunately, I felt like the message was proposed as a fairytale… I mean it’s great, but getting there is the problem…

I don’t think stuff like what Micheal Moore does is enough, ppl just seem to go, ‘that’s interesting’ and go on their way… not that it’s not awesome and even important, cause it def is… but again I think you need a blueprint in your message, and not just the motivation to change… but.. power in numbers right, you would get to right ppl eventually… So I think the message has to include the socio-economic plan… cause a bunch of steam and no engine won’t get you anywhere… we have to get rid of exploitation…

I think everyone has a role to play, so yes everyone.. and I think the zietgiest movement is right on the money with it’s message, minus the socio-enocomic plan… you have to have money imo… you just can’t exploit… anything… then the biggest problem the world would face would be population compacity and natural disasters without exploitation…

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Profile photo of Matt P Matt P (@mkp843) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

I read the definition, it does look like marxism to me…. sure is complicated lol

And I think i’ll take the having to have money comment back… cause when thinking it through again.. maybe you don’t, I don’t seem to be able to figure it out lol…

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Profile photo of Bobby Bobby (@bobbylloydxd) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

We obviously have people interested and excited here. For every nay there seems to be at least one yay. I would really be surprised if anyone on this site wanted to try to overthrow the government by means of violent force. Civil disobedience is definitely the way to do it in my opinion.

It seems we need a plan of action though. I have absolutely no problem with tagging up public property. I don’t understand why the government decided that people couldn’t paint on walls in the first place. Something beautiful about blank.

Timmy was saying that he had good ideas for some names, he said that “rise up” is totally available for a website name. To me the name is not what is important, it is the movement.

I like what em was saying about volunteering and helping people. We need people to be spreading the truth and opening the eyes of the oppressed people to see that they are important.

As for those of you that are saying we need a specific laid out agenda. I believe that any single one of us would be able to list maybe 100 things about our society that we believe could be changed for the better. Out of these 100 we would each probably have about 80 in common. We will just focus on bringing change to those 80 things. the same way that you eat an elephant. Jordan laid out a pretty good list, I aslo really dislike the public school system and the federal reserve. Im sure that there are alternatives to the federal reserve and i could think of some great ones personally for our schooling system.

I really want this to stay in a positive vibe. If you guys are needing any inspiration you can check out what happened in france in may 1968 or what happened in romania in 1988 when a single peasant was responsible for taking down a fascist dictatorship.

Anything is possible

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It sounds like some of you guys want to just be good people together, others are trying to get people to think differently, and I’m still pretty sure Jordan wants a new government (“Okay one more time, this thread is about a political revolution NOT a spiritual revolution”).

Those of you with the first two ideas, go for it, make the world a better place. For you guys that want to have a new government then you better get a shit ton of money to start campaigning or a shit ton of guns to fuck shit up.

With that said I’ll stop pissing on your parade now.

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Profile photo of Alec Alec (@alec7) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Laying our a specific agenda is definitely the place to start.

In terms of deciding on a specific issue, I think it’s important to pick something that does not have a lot of moral controversy. What I mean is that it should be something that *most* people would agree should change but dont do anything about it because they believe “thats the way it is”.

Great ideas have been posted. I’m a big supporter of getting rid of the two party system, as well as major education reform. Below are 2 talks that will get your “revolutionary” juices flowing :)

Changing the Education Paradigm

David Cameron: The next age of government (TED)

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Profile photo of Alec Alec (@alec7) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@Tits
I know I can’t speak on Jordans behalf, but I believe by “political revolution” he was referencing realistic changes in the government/politics (which he gave examples of) and not overthrowing the government through anarchy/money as you suggested

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