Can we start a revolution?
Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.
Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?
I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.
Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.
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@heron, What was the conspiracy bullshit exactly? Of course the first paragraph may be theoretical, but we need to be aware. If anything, we just need to be careful and very strategic. The second paragraph is fact. And the last one I am almost positive.
I’m fine with wake up.
Jordan I hope we can talk you into helping us out, you have done a great job with this website and I feel like you would be a really great person to have in the movement. I believe that yes they may be people are afraid of change but in the sole of people they know that what is going on is wrong and needs to be changed. If they see other people trying to bring a change maybe some will join the movement. Revolutions dont happen without somebody starting them.
I don’t think we need any naysayers that dont believe that a few people can accomplish something great. What we need is people that are ready to help and try to actually change things instead of just talking about how they aren’t as good as they could be.
I’m excited. I’m on board 100 percent
at least thats how I see it! I honestly don’t think that crying blindly “Revolution!” is going to get anyone anything other than an adrenaline rush, some followers who think revolutions are cool, and maybe a black eye ;-)
but realistically change CAN happen, you just have to go about it strategically. Its going to need impeccable management and people who genuinely care about working towards making the world a better place. Even revolutions, don’t happen overnight.
“The people in power want people to feel like they can’t affect change.(…) The more hopeless, downtrodden & cynical people are, the more pliable they are and the more they can be abused.(…) It’s not going to happen from above, we are the change that we’ve been waiting for. Anything worth a damn that’s ever happened on behalf of the people has always come up from the people and forced itself onto the power above.(…) I see all these things as a real opportunity for people to get involved and to learn that they have a voice and to actually use that voice to institute change.” -Mark Alan Ruffalo on 9/11
thanks for sao :) and i don’t wanna get (well, even more) off-topic, but i find it peculiar that you say that forcing the removal of things that force something on you is forcing. because to me, it’s just the removal of the forcing and then all your arguments apply in favor of removing. now that went pretty cerebral… but then, it also is all about creating the space and conditions in which people can discover their awareness, ideals, and the true values in life: to create an environment in which the things you value are even able to dwell. guess all i’m saying is don’t deliberately ad(d) confusion and mischief.
@ Alex… the sparks not gonna come unless we strike the match. The time is now. We may as well start. You would be surprised at how many other people have already!
@ Skip… You are absolutely correct in that the revolution must be internal. We’re not talking riots and violence. We have to help people awaken to the life and infinite potential inside of them. Imagine how much easier it would be to awaken to these ideas if everyone around you was aware of them and working towards a higher state of life. Agreed in that we should definitely think more along the lines of Gandhi than Che.
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”
@Jordan, Bobby, & others in agreement… you are very encouraging. If you support it I’ll design a stencil by next week. On second thought I’m gonna do it with or without support ;)
The internet is the way imo, spreading the right information, gathering strength in numbers with information and more importantly the solutions.. I barley watch tv anymore.. completly quit watching the news because like you said.. it’s garbage, msnbc for democrats, and fox for republicans.. all big money (puke) …
That’s a great way to look at it “cut the tenticles off or go straight for the head” … I think the head is the fact that our political system is all bought up, and corporations are ogres.. the tenticles, geez, prob a lot of them, but I think they all have to be addressed even tho even cutting ten of them off really wouldn’t change the overall system (to keep the analogy going :) .. It would be a full-time job for a handful of ppl no doubt, showing the problems, and presenting solutions.. but ppl need to be able to say, ‘I get that, and now I know what I can do about it’..
organize protests about lobbying, or w/e for that matter, network, make lists of boycotts for crap products, maybe because they come from sweatshops, or the ceo is big piece of shit, plenty of reasons, lot’s of things can be donw.. Facebook would actually be a great resource, that has sooo many ppl, and information could spread like fire, and people driven to another website, free internet marketed to it’s full power, betweeen us 3600, think how many ppl just our facebooks could reach to drive to another website… this community is a bit small right now on it’s own, I mean how many of us would go to D.C. on a given date for a protest, but how many ppl might show up if there was professional website like WAKEUP.COM, and all of us simply posted the link on our facebook, and asked for the link to go viral… you would probably have a lot more ppl at the protest… I think it has to be worthy of news coverage to make a dent… and again the information at wakeup.com would have to be great, not good…
@heron, Oh I know, I was talking about if we went the whole way with the website it would most likely mean having to purchase a domain. Although it may not even be that much money. But it would be something to bear in mind to make it bigger.
revolution or protests or twitter or w.e. those are the “tools” you use… but before you choose your devices you need to know specifically what you want to use them for…
okay, everything sucks etc… what do you WANT the situation to be like?
@Jordan Lejuwaan what exactly do you think needs to be changed politically, I mean specifics, not just complaining or making broad statements like “the government is terrible.”
lastly, besides you or me, realistically, does the average person want the same changes you are calling for?
what, exactly, would be the perfect outcome…
hey guys this is my first comment on HE so i would just like to start off by saying thank you Jordan, this is such a great website with a great mission. In these past few weeks that i have been following the site it has helped a lot mainly with positive thinking but i love the whole lot!! :)
As for revolution i believe that drastic measures will need to be applied in order to cure the backwards society or dare i say the world we live in. But as i am studying the Russian revolution it is obvious that they where not expecting the overthrow of the Tsar, probably better to say they were surprised once they had taken control. They had thought very little about how they would act once they had seized power, but correct me if I’m wrong I’m no expert on the subject.
But what im getting at is i think in this day and age we should learn from previous attempts of revolution and what i think we can take from the Russian revolution is that we need to have an exact plan of what we want to achieve once the power has been shifted, whether that be to link up with The Venus Project and The zeitgeist Project I’m guessing that would be up for discussion but in my opinion that’s what i would aim for.
anyways hello from Australia, I’m all for a revolution i just don’t want to be left out and unable to show my support. I think a coordinated protest between America and Australia and hopefully a lot more countries would have a great effect… enough from me now haha
@blankey, its not like that though. Its allabout empowering people to take resposibility for their decisions, by stressing education and peoples rights. I guess a few things can be regarded as conflicting with the system like tagging buildings, but we do not have to claim that it was our intent. Like selling bolws at the local gas station. Besides i see no harm in decorating a dying city with possitive messages. Its all about expressing the power that the people have like the picture posted on facebook by highexistence of the people standing on one end of the plank supporting the politcians that are hanging over the cliff directing us around. Its all about providing people with the opportunity and knowhow to take right action.
I totally agree! Loving the suggestions so far..
A couple of weeks ago during the throne speech from our new government, a girl stood up in the middle of the Senate with a ‘Stop Harper’ stop sign. He’s possibly the worst leader that can happen to our country. I think her act of civil disobedience was just awesome! Seems a lot of people, the media at least, was outraged at her ‘disrespect’ – but the guy really is a danger, for one; she also did it silently, with poise, and in a manner that grabs attention. Using a general protest platform is not nearly as effective, cause that’s the point of the entire scene, to protest for change. Well, we have to shove it in people’s faces cause otherwise the general population will not seek that out. If it’s made so that you can’t miss it, it can get somewhere.
The girl who did the stop sign:
the only idea that everyone has to agree upon is the current system is whack, everything, from slaughter houses, to how they grow food, our energy, our transportation, it all sucks ass, it’s all for profit… And the ‘Wake Up’ thing is brilliant… but tagging property is a no go for me… I wouldn’t argue that it could be affective tho, and basically free… but to kick the dead horse again… i think it takes money to change the world, and the ppl with it, are the ones that need to have the heart awakening, if that happens, look out, cause shit is going down… That is just my take, I could see that the ppl with the absolute power, might make things so bad people actually put their foot down, like in Europe, they were given promises, and the promises were broken, that is unacceptable.. but you need everyone on board, like scientists, and business owners, and basically all the brilliant minds… they are the ones that we need to become excited about making a change… creating free energy, a society that you can actually be mobile in… Seeing injustice motivates me, but again on the grafitti part and what I said about the brilliant minds.. not that you wouldn’t get a positive outcome, but it could be viewed as juvenuile, and turn brilliant thinkers away… You could however make very disturbing videos of the reality of the injustices in our world, and how that trickles down to all of us… if enough people show the people with the power how to change the world, it might actually happen… The zietgiest movement is cool, but it doesn’t give a plan… you have to show the better way in black in white, you have to figure out the economics… It could happen, but the system doesn’t want awesome products that would last a lifetime and were cheap… they wouldn’t get rich… Half of the powerful people think the are better than others is my take… it’s like windows 2.0.. they could make 10.0 now.. but why would they when they can make huge profits from 3.0, then 4.0, then 5.0… make THEM do it… or get the masses to make them
I think you have to have ppl like tony robinson on the mission.. you have to have the right message, and the proper information, you have to get the power away from the politcians somehow, they are lobbyist puppets, it no longer matters who you vote for, it never did in my life time, protesting lobbying would be very powerful I think…. I really have seen time and again that it takes something bad to happen, for something good to come… and to avoid that situation, would take a powerful, organized message… not a desire to change, but a blueprint… Love the Wake Up idea… awesome
And I agree with Robert, this website is like a revolution…
I think if ppl legalized marijuana the world would change lol… changing the world is a huge goal but I believe… and remember money has a giant mouth and never stops talking, if ppl would just stop listening… that would be something
I love the ideas floating around here.
In my opinion, we need to isolate what separates us from the masses and then try to bring that trait out in them. Maybe the name of the movement or the graffiti or whatever is more important than we think. I like ideas such as “Stop sleepwalking through life.” “Turn off the auto-pilot.”
As long as we’re always honest and passionate about the movement, it will succeed. The only time that good doesn’t prevail is due to fear or laziness, I’d say.
@everybody that @’d me. I say not yet because a lot of us still would back down if it came to riots and gunfire. If the U.S keeps going to shit like it has been, there will be riots, there will be cries for change and there may be a revolution. But not just yet.
“Hey there buddy, do you know that we are fucked?” haha, im just kidding, but getting people to see outside of their box is extremely hard. So many things are flooding their heads constantly and no one has any time to think about what is going on around them. This may be condradictory to my last sentence but more then likely they already thought about it before and have labeled what your getting across as useless.
I don’t think rioting, trying to force people into free thought, or property damage (graffiti) would be an advocated solution, but I have a spark that might be fairly agreeable.
I think the first steps would be a physical location of note, for self realised pilgrims to quest, this could take the form of some sort of refuge temple high in the Himalayas i.e.
or more accessibly, a basement coffee shop in New York, tucked away on a side-street and off the map, with a huge back-cellar hidden behind a cutaway wine barrel door or bookcase, with a large discussion room (flame lit) for discussion of note, an absolutely huge library twisting away into the depths of the vast ceiling, several antechambers and side rooms for meditation use, study, or smaller discussions.
Essentially, members, ‘in the know’ would make it their effort to spread the word to those in a similar ‘knowledge seeking’ state and it is here that matters of importance would be discussed but with much more grounding and flow than could ever occur on a non-physical forum.
Just think, we’d essentially carry out very deep and meaningful discussion on topics continually amidst consumption of fine food and drinks, I bet we’d combined, blast through several hundred streams of thought every few hours, all of which should be documented on parchment, to later be written into Hardback leather-bound books.
The reason for all this secrecy, flame-lit, hood-wearing, stone-cellar, leather-bound hood-winkling-ness? So that we gain sufficient prestige to the outside world, anyone looking in as an outlooker would see this as a very cool cause simply for the physical aspects of it, which in the end contribute to nothing internally, we are all equal and we are all objectively seeking knowledge.
What makes it cooler is that we are ever-open to new members, there are no limitations on our part imposed for joining, and the media attention we garner summons a large amount of interest, where we debunk any mystery or cult-accusation, basically stating we are free thinkers who like to talk, and then go on to throw out a load of self-published material in the form of Books and other Articles specifically designed to start people thinking.
These can make reference to, and include, religious and spiritual discussion, but cannot directly be related nor associated to, any one particular religion or belief stream, because to do so would be assuming the beliefs of one human being over another, and this is something I believe would contradict the cause as a whole.
The way I see it, all humans, in-the-know or not, are equal, it is very easy when you become enlightened or knowledgable to start thinking you are a savior-saint, and that everyone else is wrong and dumb compared to you, or should be shunned for not free-thinking or obeying your beliefs for whatever reason. I think it is possible to bring anyone around to a state of realisation, but it is a complex and long-time process, and does require a choice on behalf of the person to accept change.
The books would be engineered to close on a note of openness, almost with a ‘cliffhanger’ ending, that leaves the reader wanting and thirsting for more, and this would be the beginning of a new era of thought. I’m sure there’d be critics who would put it down to nothing more than ‘idle fiction’ but the number of readers who gain an actual positive effect or epiphany through the readings would snowball into a large scale mass exodus.
@Alex and Matt, the Zeitgeist movement isn’t associated with Marxism or any other political system. Sure, it has a lot of qualities in common with Marxism, which is what makes most people (especially Americans) condemn the Zeitgeist Movement — in addition to the debunking of religion and conspiracy-claims regarding 9/11 in the first movie (which in fact has nothing to do with the movement itself). Anyway, it is explained in the oriantation guide (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf) and of course the film (http://zeitgeistmovie.com/) why this isn’t Marxism.
@Jordan, you might be right that we need a stepping stone in order to make the necessary changes. I don’t think so though. Give the current system some time and things will get worse. The unemployment rate will continue to rise, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer and an economic crisis will become permanent. When people see with their own eyes how shitty things actually are, they will be more susceptible to a paradigm shift like the Zeitgeist Movement proposes.
Of course, I could be wrong.
@siantastic, aha so I see. But first things first if you ask me. We have to gather people!
@jordan, are you supporting this idea? I was thinking about using the biggest social network, Facebook, to gather people and fully explain and structurise this idea about spreading a stencil-message, because these topics are perfect for discussions but not for organising etc. So, what about if we set up an open facebook group, which everybody ofcourse can join (and which you, Jordan, could possibly share on the HE-fbpage or write an article about it so we can reach some motivated HE-souls), where we set out our plans and finally start to realise this possible-lifechanging idea. We may not reach everybody at this globe, or change the world, but every individual which we may influence, will be damn well worth it.
It saddens me that the Zeitgeist Movement has only been mentioned once in this discussion, especially considering the fact that Jordan started a thread about the film “Zeigeist: Moving Forward” four months ago. Are you not as convinced as you were, Jordan? Or do the movement’s proposed solutions it seem too “unrealistic”? For me, it is unnecessary to start a new revolution when there is an existing movement like TZM, which, in my opinion, provides doable remedies to most of the world’s problems today. There must be a global revolution (or at least evolution) at some point in order for the human species to survive, why not start today?
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Zeitgeist Movement: check out the previously mentioned thread and, more importantly, the film, which is imbedded in the first post.
@Alex – I didn’t quite catch your argument about the monetary system. You say it’s a “GOOD thing when you take into account what the average person is like.”
Whoa, that’s a statement that needs to be clarified. What is the average person like? And what makes it a good thing?
About “rasing awareness”: Of course that alone won’t get you far, but the actions that follow are direct consequences of the new information people are being taught. If no one knows the need for change, no one will change anything.