Can we start a revolution?
Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.
Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?
I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.
Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.
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@paul i get your point but sadly that’s the way it is, if we got rid of TV, magazines, some movies, etc, people would NOT be happy, sheep must wake up, I hope this video helps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGw3iuh82jo
If we’re going to start a revolution we need to have more followers, for now all we can do is wake people up.
@vizznou, i like it man, but do you think people would really go home and watch that? Life in a day was extremely insightful, i loved it, but to the average person it would be a awaste of time or they might think your the same as any other person trying to spread a message. See, i already have a useless tag on that dude.
@jordan…i agree with you; to a point…yes; you can start something like brittney’s idea of “wake up”…and you could have people join this action…but; as soon as the excitement wears off…the masses will leave …i lived through the sixties…the concepts of changing the world went up in smoke (haha) and you were left with many fractions via for there own piece of the action…it all crumbled…no peace but we did get out of viet nam…we lost…
to me the only true change can come when an individual chooses to change themselves…i realize it is a long and slow struggle…and; if, we only have 18 months ahead of us…not doable …but; if one person makes the decision to change for the better he/she can assists another who wants to change…
now the real downside to this…all have to change to the same idea …otherwise; the change will not be a united change but a free for all :D…which brings us back to where we are now :D
change is taking place …more and more people are seeking inner knowledge…your site proves this out…more than 2000 new subscribers since i have been here…my suggestion be patient …let your site be the beacon for the true seeker…you are making a difference…and 3600 people + seem to agree with me :D (hang in there jordan; you are doing just fine)
@Jonas, but that could be years away. Waiting for it to be bad enough for people to open their eyes should be the backup plan. I’d rather get something going and learn from this smaller movement to get to the larger one sooner and to be more prepared for it. I just don’t see a point in not starting now.
The way our political system works makes it very difficult for a third party to be viable, but I think a centrist party would be the only real way to start a revolution. The problem with this is that once in power even the most well meaning people can be corrupted. The revolution can’t stop with throwing out our current policy makers, it must also change policy and the way our government works. The main issues with our government are campaign finance and the lobbying power of large corporations and organizations. Changing these will require a large group of ideological people passing bills that will most likely cause them to not be re-elected. One thing that can help change the two party system would be run off elections, where candidates needs to win with a majority and not just a plurality. Some states and localities have already started implementing an instant run off election process where you basically rank the canidates from first to last, other states have actual run off elections. This allows people to vote for third party candidates without feeling that their vote is being wasted (Ralph Nader syndrome…)
Nice topic and nice ideas you have there!
@bobbylloydxd, I think a revolution IS possible and that we not only can but if we know that something is wrong we should change it!
In my own opinion I think that the violence is the last resource you should use, but I also think that sometimes it is necesary!
I think there is a great tool, but we underestimate its power, it is the Internet!
We can start a movement, it needs to be globaly, not only in USA, but also if posible in other places like Latin America or Europe. Using the Internet as our “central”, with a webpage. Its just an idea but im sure it will work, with the help of the people and of the internet we could organize events, and place posters in the streets.
But I think the first thing is that everyone realizes that we NEED a change, and when everyone, or at least the most understands that, a revolution will not be so hard to start. :)
Personally, I am rather pessimistic about the masses as a whole. Perhaps because the public I have currently encountered isn’t the kind that favors enjoying education or being progressive in individual ways. I think that a revolution can be started best with the youngest of the current population, before they form habits and boxes to view this world out of. My old idea for this was turning children onto vividly and intelligently illustrated children’s books and away from the television (as well as away from modern cartoons, but that’s another topic/ offtopic). I was thinking that letting the books become mind-liberating zines with the right and psychologically healthy concepts for kids to grasp could give them the strength and clarity to think and see for themselves in years to come.
But, back to subject; I see a lot of good zines happening around the internet, I think that all these people need to unite and support each other. I like your idea!
@Jonas the problem with the zeitgeist movement is that it advocates a resource based economy which is very unrealistic to many people. (im not one of them) And they have not spread the word very well, the only people i know that have heard of it are people interested in a site like this. But I think this movement could be one to try and stand up to the government and make some change… eventually getting enough peoples attention to something more like the zeitgeist movement.
-And zeitgeist is attached to the complete debunking of religion and 911 being a inside job which i feel turns many away from it.
We are talking about making extreme changes to the US government through civil disobedience. I believe that if we were to succeed it would have worldwide effects.
I am happy with who I am and who I am becoming, I don’t need infinite advice on better things to do with my life than try to change this extremely oppressive system.
What we need are people that agree that we are ready for a change, and people that are willing to make it happen.
@Jordan, maybe we do need to move this to a more private forum.
I am excited for your guys stencils. Believe me that they will start popping up in all of the towns that I have influence.
I say we take the rise up domain name if it is available.
@blankey, the first en third paragraph I mean. We can never change the way the world works, because then we would need the whole world to start a fundalmental revolution and throw away with the government and political system we have now to start again “tabula rasa”. Herbert Marcuse has an really interesting philosophy about this, you should check that out.
If you’re asking me, changing the world with this idea is a bit naive, the big companies and banks have too much power, as you said in your 2nd paragraph.
We have to start the stencils, QR codes, flyers, whatever you want to use to spread our word, so we can make a change in people’s lives, one individual at a time.
I see what you mean Skip. Focus on change should definitely be local. That’s where life happens. But there needs to be a large scale, widespread movement with the same general messages. Communities can figure out how things best work for them, but if we can all be guided by good general principles, then at least there’s a common direction and a huge net of support.
Please nobody say its not possible. I agree whole heartedly with:
Bobby said 2 days, 8 hours ago:
With every person I have ever gotten involved in intellectual discussion with, it has come up that there is no hope for our current society. That people are to dumb, and to distracted to care about anything important. I completely disagree.
There has never been a better time in humanity to connect to like minded people.
I have thought alot about this and here are some things I believe you always have to keep in mind:
Don’t underestimate what you are doing already, if you are ‘consciously living, breathing and acting’ you are already doing a huge favor for the world.
If you ‘force’ a resitance, you are going to be met with resistance.
Stuff like this has to grow organicly. With this I mean that you have to start small, and work from there. Don’t create a big future idea to work to, this will never happen. See the evolution of the world as a process and the ‘revolution’ a way to bend that process into the right direction.
There are many, many movements out there, they have all something usefull to bring in, it seems necessary to me to connect the young spiritual seekers with the zeitgeist movement with anonymous with a youth wikileaks etc etc. Get my drift? The reason why our system is so effective against change is because it brilliantly uses ‘divide and conquer’ in the name of individuality. *mumbles something like ‘give them bread and games’ …
We need powerfull speekers that can create sparks that resonate with a whole generation, we need musicians to touch the hearts, we need the examples to inspire. Everyone has a role and try to pick yours.
Btw. Someone design a HE manifesto that we can spam around the interwebworld.
@tobias and alexa, It was actually more a reference to both the original work, which is pretty cool to listen to, especially if you are on drugs, and also the documentary about the attempted coux on Hugo Chavez, who is an interesting character to familiarize yourself with if you are trying to start a revolution.
This question has been rolling around in my head for around a year now and I still haven’t come up with an ultimate solution. But if it was easy, it would already have been done :)
One idea is to start a community similar to HE, but centered completely around changing the world in a specific way. HE is about too many topics which might not appeal to people who would otherwise love to join the cause.
Another idea is an underground/anonymous graffiti campaign using one stencil published online for anyone to download. The design would have to be something iconic like the ‘Obey’ guy, and would also need to easily communicate the goal of the movement.
Lastly, protest. I’m not so sure about the best way to go about this one, but it seems to have worked well in Spain and Egypt! Are Americans too apathetic and lazy to do what has been done in other countries? I guess there’s only one way to find out. Getting the message to be shared on the Daily Show and Colbert would be a great start.
@Alex, those are all fantastic questions to answer :) I’ll have to think about them in-depth tonight and come back with some full answers.
For starters I would specifically target the 2 party system, rules on campaign funding, re-establishing the basic American freedoms that have been infringed upon, the electoral college, military spending (!!!), environmental protection (!!!!!!!!), poverty, corporate taxation, lobbying, strict capitalism (is horrible) and our welfare system that promotes remaining stagnant, unemployed and needing welfare.
What else? The list could go on for a while…
@Jonas — I am still completely behind the Zeitgeist movement but I think it is too extreme a change for now. Some of the elements of it will be included but I see this primary revolution as a stepping stone in that direction. With a competent government in power that actually cares about the likelihood of it’s people, Zeitgeist principles could and would be implemented simply because they makes sense. The US could then be an example for the entire world like we USED TO BE with regard to democracy and capitalism.
I see no credibility in civil disobedience.. I see it in what Alex was saying.. and the only way your going to get enough ppl to rise up with civil disobedience is to wait for things to get bad enough, Jordan said he wants to do something now..
Alex pointed out that real change would have to come by going beyond the internet and a websit, you need to provide, speaches, pamphlets, local chapters, organization, have money ect.. And you have to have credibility to get it.. Not running around spray painting walls, and saying “down with the govenment”.. I just don’t see that at all.. not that it’s a bad idea, I didn’t mean it that way, my point was I don’t think it will be as effective
I’m not quite sure I see why this should be private… It seems to me that would limit the number of ppl involved… I guess I get the faceless idea… I’m still stuck on protesting things as one of the best solutions…