Can we start a revolution?

3 years, 5 months ago

Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.

Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?

I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.

Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.

06.15.2011 at 9:54 pm

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Profile photo of Piers Wightman Piers Wightman (@pierswightman) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Please nobody say its not possible. I agree whole heartedly with:

Bobby said 2 days, 8 hours ago:

With every person I have ever gotten involved in intellectual discussion with, it has come up that there is no hope for our current society. That people are to dumb, and to distracted to care about anything important. I completely disagree.

There has never been a better time in humanity to connect to like minded people.

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Profile photo of Travis Travis (@zebabirul) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

this topic got me to join this site :) I cannot travel at all but I can help in and around where I live if you want to make this a multi-national movement, I can also help with truely solidifiying topics for discussion as I love debate!

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Profile photo of Piers Wightman Piers Wightman (@pierswightman) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

We need to start with some kind of structure as to the content of the revolution. An editable list taht everyone can add to, any ideas the best format this can be in and where to place it?

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Profile photo of Bobby Bobby (@bobbylloydxd) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

People are getting excited! I love it

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Profile photo of Robin Keunen Robin Keunen (@robinkeunen) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Hey,
Have you heard of the movement “Democracia del ria” in Spain?
I find it very inspirational! I love the way how they peacefully protest and talk to people.
It spread all over Europe, even in my city in Belgium. You might learn a few tips from them :)

I hope they will still be camping in my city when my exams are over, I really want to join in!

The wikipedia page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Spanish_protests
The official website : http://www.democraciarealya.es/
Around the world : http://www.thetechnoant.info/campmap/

Keep dreaming!

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Profile photo of Jordan Lejuwaan Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Exactly! Spain did it, so why can’t we? Thank you @Robin for chiming in even though we’re talking about a country besides your own :)

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Profile photo of Cyrus Azari Cyrus Azari (@cyrus) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

My Friend and me came up with an idea, if we write Wake Up on every dollar bill we ever get
the money will eventually get circulated and people will find it wonder what it is, hopefully if theres a website we can create for them to see, and allow the word to be spread

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Profile photo of Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Me and Cyrus discussed that idea earlier i really like it – perhaps a stencil could be used in combination with the bill tagging idea? lot’s of cool suggestions on here! Love the idea of making a change – the important thing to me seems to be making people aware on a different level than now – I personally haven’t checked out tzm out yet but my impression is that all the different organisations so far have never lasted too long in most people’s memory – Wakeup.com must be a mekka of info about the governments abuse so that they can’t get away with everything – it should be connected with other sites like wikileaks. I mean we need to use our assets right? :D

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Profile photo of Karl Karl (@karl) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

The revolution will not be televised~

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Profile photo of Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen Tobias Valdemar Broe Knudsen (@2bias) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@karl, it might me

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Profile photo of Karl Karl (@karl) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

The way our political system works makes it very difficult for a third party to be viable, but I think a centrist party would be the only real way to start a revolution. The problem with this is that once in power even the most well meaning people can be corrupted. The revolution can’t stop with throwing out our current policy makers, it must also change policy and the way our government works. The main issues with our government are campaign finance and the lobbying power of large corporations and organizations. Changing these will require a large group of ideological people passing bills that will most likely cause them to not be re-elected. One thing that can help change the two party system would be run off elections, where candidates needs to win with a majority and not just a plurality. Some states and localities have already started implementing an instant run off election process where you basically rank the canidates from first to last, other states have actual run off elections. This allows people to vote for third party candidates without feeling that their vote is being wasted (Ralph Nader syndrome…)

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Profile photo of Karl Karl (@karl) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@tobias and alexa, It was actually more a reference to both the original work, which is pretty cool to listen to, especially if you are on drugs, and also the documentary about the attempted coux on Hugo Chavez, who is an interesting character to familiarize yourself with if you are trying to start a revolution.

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Profile photo of Adam Mac Adam Mac (@emceedan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

I like the idea Cyrus and Tobias have. It’s like the “wheresgeorge” thing and I saw that on a lot of paper money. That really got around. Once a website is established I think people should put the domain name on the bills just like wheregeorge.com did. If that isn’t a good idea due to legalities and/or safety then we would need some way for people to associate the slogan with the movement. Regardless, “Wake up” is going on every bill I use from here on out.
Thank you, Robin, for the links and thoughts. It’s important that we educate ourselves on the movements that are having an impact around the world in order for us to be successful here. We should ALL read up because it will help fuel ideas on how to mobilize and intelligently get shit done.
I’ll do anything I can to contribute to this whether it be assisting with mission statement literature, public disbursement/graffiti, or just rousing like-minded people from other progressive online communities. I’m all in.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@Alexa – I’m happy your as enthusiastic as i am about this thread! I agree, we need to take advantage of our rights as Americans, and take problems that aren’t being delt with properly into our own hands. But you need to tell us exactly what change your calling for, and what you want the current situation to change into.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex (@alex510) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

And same as I wrote above, goes for a lot of the people writing in this thread. Everyone seems to be throwing around the words “revolution” and “change” without actually defining them. I think people need to start stating their specific grievances with the government/society/economy etc… And I think people need to start sharing what they think would be a good solution. A solution is not revolt, a solution would be like passing this and this law… a revolution, fundraising, raising awareness, these are all the means to the solution or goal.

I think everyone needs to realize that as bad as the situation in the U.S. may seem, in a lot of places where these revolts took place, the situation was a lot worse. So it’s awesome to look at the uprisings that happened in other countries this past month, but everyone needs to realize: THIS is America, not like Tunisia. Different set of problems, different opportunities for getting rid of the problems.

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Profile photo of Matt P Matt P (@mkp843) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Very true Alex! … I’ve tried to simplify the problem the world faces with one word… exploitation.. if you get rid of that.. everything will be fine..

Another thing with the U.S. is that I think we would start a cascade if we collapsed… So i’m not sure exactly what kind of ‘austerity measures’ we would get… but we are close to getting them… but if we sink, I’m under the impression that we are gonna hurt the world really bad… just said that cause maybe they will just keep printing money and won’t let us sink and ppl will stay in their small little worlds, maybe they will let us sink for a NWO… i don’t really know… the federal reserve is whack, the government is whack, the laws are whack, the tax system is whack, the banks are whack… prob a buncha other stuff too… hah..

I say make something go viral… get protests going… stop lobbying, or do something major…

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Profile photo of paul_g paul_g (@paulg) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

i like the money bill idea. also, i’m always tempted to write witty-cynical remarcs on big ads posters. i truly hate ads, they make me puke inside and i want to invade their manipulative messages and wake up the people who look at them. it’s like iconoclasm for ads, capitaliconoclasm if you will.

in general, the path is pretty clear to me: get rid of advertisement, TV, most movies, most magazines, most newspapers, junk food. get rid of political parties, or for starters get rid of party financing possibilities and party advertisement, especially during election time, and make the US an at least 5-party system. simply randomly assign congress members to one of five groups and call them parties 1 through 5. replace party ads by fixed-length, text-only propositions of laws and regulations delivered to your house/laptop only once per election. change the voting schemes. change the way we live in isolated cells of atomic families. change the way we school, we commute, we use energy. cap maximum earnings at, say 80k a year. fix a true minimum wage. heal the wound of the heart. give us strength to not carry our skills and determination into niche opposition groups where they help a little and life feels cozy, but where we withdraw our potential from the true political arena. buy fair, buy organic, if you can. ditch meat. make public transportation free (as in beer). reclaim the key positions in government, industry and regulating boards. when pema chodron (thanks martijn) says to go to the places that scare you — nothing scares me more than working at saic, rand, or blackwater… set politicians’ salaries to minimum wage or something. make them completely transparent in terms of money. if i were a politician, i’d donate all my belongings and walk from house to house at night and ring folks up to see if i can get a bed and meal at their home. if not, i’m doing something wrong… stop environmental pollution. let the silent valuable people have a voice and dont lend a voice to alienation, greed, and delusion. put an end to loneliness: loneliness in retirement, in singleness, in marriage, in society. give us the feeling that we will still be loved when we show ourselves the way we truly are (but don’t even know for ourselves because we’re too scared of shame and exclusion to even look inside who we truly are). put an end to the concept of nationality, territorial citizenship, and nation states. recycle, buy used, and buy what’s beneficial. speak the truth, and be a light upon your surrounding fellow humans. shine a light on this poor confused world. get rid of compound interest. make any form of interest usury a despicable crime again. most importantly, change the way we let ourselves be governed. and do it gently like aikido, but with unfailing determination. abruptly-rapturing revolutions tend to get messy. go steady, but with the unfailing determination of an arrow. be bold, be gentle, go to the places that scare you. and be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. amen.

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Profile photo of Jordan Lejuwaan Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Awesome idea about marking up the bills.

This discussion is getting increasingly awesome and dangerous, enough so that I’d really like to move it to a private forum. I’ll find a solution for that by tomorrow.

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Profile photo of Jordan Lejuwaan Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Here is a surprisingly useful guide to start a revolution from eHow: http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Revolution

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Profile photo of Nathaniel Ruff Nathaniel Ruff (@nathaniel) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

hey guys this is my first comment on HE so i would just like to start off by saying thank you Jordan, this is such a great website with a great mission. In these past few weeks that i have been following the site it has helped a lot mainly with positive thinking but i love the whole lot!! :)

As for revolution i believe that drastic measures will need to be applied in order to cure the backwards society or dare i say the world we live in. But as i am studying the Russian revolution it is obvious that they where not expecting the overthrow of the Tsar, probably better to say they were surprised once they had taken control. They had thought very little about how they would act once they had seized power, but correct me if I’m wrong I’m no expert on the subject.
But what im getting at is i think in this day and age we should learn from previous attempts of revolution and what i think we can take from the Russian revolution is that we need to have an exact plan of what we want to achieve once the power has been shifted, whether that be to link up with The Venus Project and The zeitgeist Project I’m guessing that would be up for discussion but in my opinion that’s what i would aim for.

anyways hello from Australia, I’m all for a revolution i just don’t want to be left out and unable to show my support. I think a coordinated protest between America and Australia and hopefully a lot more countries would have a great effect… enough from me now haha

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Profile photo of Timmy Timmy (@timmy) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

I wanna be invited to the private forum Jordan! XD

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Profile photo of Jordan Lejuwaan Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Still haven’t found a solid solution for us for privacy, stay tuned

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Profile photo of Matt P Matt P (@mkp843) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

I’m not quite sure I see why this should be private… It seems to me that would limit the number of ppl involved… I guess I get the faceless idea… I’m still stuck on protesting things as one of the best solutions…

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Profile photo of Euro Euro (@intellectualblasphemy) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

@paul_g It’s not that we have to get rid of ads, TV, magazines, junk food etc, it’s that people need to realize that those those things pollute the mind and body.

What’s the point of forcefully taking those things away? People first need to wake up and make their own decisions, not us taking away what we consider is bad for them (whether it really is or not).

Let’s not impose to the fellow human, let’s unite with him and show them the way or something along those lines.
Peace out, from Venezuela.

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Profile photo of Travis Travis (@zebabirul) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

^ I think he has got it :P

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