Can we start a revolution?
Hi All, I have got too much to say on this matter and havent got the time right now. I will come back with my top 50 gripes about corporations, injustice and greed shortly. :) Count me IN.
Please nobody say its not possible. I agree whole heartedly with:
Bobby said 2 days, 8 hours ago:
With every person I have ever gotten involved in intellectual discussion with, it has come up that there is no hope for our current society. That people are to dumb, and to distracted to care about anything important. I completely disagree.
There has never been a better time in humanity to connect to like minded people.
this topic got me to join this site :) I cannot travel at all but I can help in and around where I live if you want to make this a multi-national movement, I can also help with truely solidifiying topics for discussion as I love debate!
We need to start with some kind of structure as to the content of the revolution. An editable list taht everyone can add to, any ideas the best format this can be in and where to place it?
People are getting excited! I love it
I hope they will still be camping in my city when my exams are over, I really want to join in!
The wikipedia page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Spanish_protests
Exactly! Spain did it, so why can’t we? Thank you @Robin for chiming in even though we’re talking about a country besides your own :)
My Friend and me came up with an idea, if we write Wake Up on every dollar bill we ever get
Me and Cyrus discussed that idea earlier i really like it – perhaps a stencil could be used in combination with the bill tagging idea? lot’s of cool suggestions on here! Love the idea of making a change – the important thing to me seems to be making people aware on a different level than now – I personally haven’t checked out tzm out yet but my impression is that all the different organisations so far have never lasted too long in most people’s memory – Wakeup.com must be a mekka of info about the governments abuse so that they can’t get away with everything – it should be connected with other sites like wikileaks. I mean we need to use our assets right? :D
The revolution will not be televised~
@karl, it might me
The way our political system works makes it very difficult for a third party to be viable, but I think a centrist party would be the only real way to start a revolution. The problem with this is that once in power even the most well meaning people can be corrupted. The revolution can’t stop with throwing out our current policy makers, it must also change policy and the way our government works. The main issues with our government are campaign finance and the lobbying power of large corporations and organizations. Changing these will require a large group of ideological people passing bills that will most likely cause them to not be re-elected. One thing that can help change the two party system would be run off elections, where candidates needs to win with a majority and not just a plurality. Some states and localities have already started implementing an instant run off election process where you basically rank the canidates from first to last, other states have actual run off elections. This allows people to vote for third party candidates without feeling that their vote is being wasted (Ralph Nader syndrome…)
@tobias and alexa, It was actually more a reference to both the original work, which is pretty cool to listen to, especially if you are on drugs, and also the documentary about the attempted coux on Hugo Chavez, who is an interesting character to familiarize yourself with if you are trying to start a revolution.
I like the idea Cyrus and Tobias have. It’s like the “wheresgeorge” thing and I saw that on a lot of paper money. That really got around. Once a website is established I think people should put the domain name on the bills just like wheregeorge.com did. If that isn’t a good idea due to legalities and/or safety then we would need some way for people to associate the slogan with the movement. Regardless, “Wake up” is going on every bill I use from here on out.
@Alexa – I’m happy your as enthusiastic as i am about this thread! I agree, we need to take advantage of our rights as Americans, and take problems that aren’t being delt with properly into our own hands. But you need to tell us exactly what change your calling for, and what you want the current situation to change into.
And same as I wrote above, goes for a lot of the people writing in this thread. Everyone seems to be throwing around the words “revolution” and “change” without actually defining them. I think people need to start stating their specific grievances with the government/society/economy etc… And I think people need to start sharing what they think would be a good solution. A solution is not revolt, a solution would be like passing this and this law… a revolution, fundraising, raising awareness, these are all the means to the solution or goal.
I think everyone needs to realize that as bad as the situation in the U.S. may seem, in a lot of places where these revolts took place, the situation was a lot worse. So it’s awesome to look at the uprisings that happened in other countries this past month, but everyone needs to realize: THIS is America, not like Tunisia. Different set of problems, different opportunities for getting rid of the problems.
Very true Alex! … I’ve tried to simplify the problem the world faces with one word… exploitation.. if you get rid of that.. everything will be fine..
Another thing with the U.S. is that I think we would start a cascade if we collapsed… So i’m not sure exactly what kind of ‘austerity measures’ we would get… but we are close to getting them… but if we sink, I’m under the impression that we are gonna hurt the world really bad… just said that cause maybe they will just keep printing money and won’t let us sink and ppl will stay in their small little worlds, maybe they will let us sink for a NWO… i don’t really know… the federal reserve is whack, the government is whack, the laws are whack, the tax system is whack, the banks are whack… prob a buncha other stuff too… hah..
I say make something go viral… get protests going… stop lobbying, or do something major…
i like the money bill idea. also, i’m always tempted to write witty-cynical remarcs on big ads posters. i truly hate ads, they make me puke inside and i want to invade their manipulative messages and wake up the people who look at them. it’s like iconoclasm for ads, capitaliconoclasm if you will.
in general, the path is pretty clear to me: get rid of advertisement, TV, most movies, most magazines, most newspapers, junk food. get rid of political parties, or for starters get rid of party financing possibilities and party advertisement, especially during election time, and make the US an at least 5-party system. simply randomly assign congress members to one of five groups and call them parties 1 through 5. replace party ads by fixed-length, text-only propositions of laws and regulations delivered to your house/laptop only once per election. change the voting schemes. change the way we live in isolated cells of atomic families. change the way we school, we commute, we use energy. cap maximum earnings at, say 80k a year. fix a true minimum wage. heal the wound of the heart. give us strength to not carry our skills and determination into niche opposition groups where they help a little and life feels cozy, but where we withdraw our potential from the true political arena. buy fair, buy organic, if you can. ditch meat. make public transportation free (as in beer). reclaim the key positions in government, industry and regulating boards. when pema chodron (thanks martijn) says to go to the places that scare you — nothing scares me more than working at saic, rand, or blackwater… set politicians’ salaries to minimum wage or something. make them completely transparent in terms of money. if i were a politician, i’d donate all my belongings and walk from house to house at night and ring folks up to see if i can get a bed and meal at their home. if not, i’m doing something wrong… stop environmental pollution. let the silent valuable people have a voice and dont lend a voice to alienation, greed, and delusion. put an end to loneliness: loneliness in retirement, in singleness, in marriage, in society. give us the feeling that we will still be loved when we show ourselves the way we truly are (but don’t even know for ourselves because we’re too scared of shame and exclusion to even look inside who we truly are). put an end to the concept of nationality, territorial citizenship, and nation states. recycle, buy used, and buy what’s beneficial. speak the truth, and be a light upon your surrounding fellow humans. shine a light on this poor confused world. get rid of compound interest. make any form of interest usury a despicable crime again. most importantly, change the way we let ourselves be governed. and do it gently like aikido, but with unfailing determination. abruptly-rapturing revolutions tend to get messy. go steady, but with the unfailing determination of an arrow. be bold, be gentle, go to the places that scare you. and be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. amen.
Awesome idea about marking up the bills.
This discussion is getting increasingly awesome and dangerous, enough so that I’d really like to move it to a private forum. I’ll find a solution for that by tomorrow.
Here is a surprisingly useful guide to start a revolution from eHow: http://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Revolution
hey guys this is my first comment on HE so i would just like to start off by saying thank you Jordan, this is such a great website with a great mission. In these past few weeks that i have been following the site it has helped a lot mainly with positive thinking but i love the whole lot!! :)
As for revolution i believe that drastic measures will need to be applied in order to cure the backwards society or dare i say the world we live in. But as i am studying the Russian revolution it is obvious that they where not expecting the overthrow of the Tsar, probably better to say they were surprised once they had taken control. They had thought very little about how they would act once they had seized power, but correct me if I’m wrong I’m no expert on the subject.
anyways hello from Australia, I’m all for a revolution i just don’t want to be left out and unable to show my support. I think a coordinated protest between America and Australia and hopefully a lot more countries would have a great effect… enough from me now haha
I wanna be invited to the private forum Jordan! XD
Still haven’t found a solid solution for us for privacy, stay tuned
I’m not quite sure I see why this should be private… It seems to me that would limit the number of ppl involved… I guess I get the faceless idea… I’m still stuck on protesting things as one of the best solutions…
@paul_g It’s not that we have to get rid of ads, TV, magazines, junk food etc, it’s that people need to realize that those those things pollute the mind and body.
What’s the point of forcefully taking those things away? People first need to wake up and make their own decisions, not us taking away what we consider is bad for them (whether it really is or not).
Let’s not impose to the fellow human, let’s unite with him and show them the way or something along those lines.
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