Can we start a revolution?
Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.
Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?
I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.
Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.
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@pipthecynical, I think it’s innovative but reaches less people than with the original idea of those “wake up” stencils, is anybody still enthousiastic about the stencil-idea? We can make this work!
Me, I would be ‘bombing’ two of the biggest cities in Belgium: Brussels and Ghent
I’ll try and design an easy stencil and upload it here
If anybody wants to help me out with this, respond!
changing the gov’t/external world is the same as changing our selves or fixing our houses or whatever . . . first ID the problem, then decide on the path to solve it.
I think part of the confusion in this thread is over what the political revolution will entail and what it’s goals are. unless of course the point of this thread is to hash out those goals.
does that mean starting a new gov’t? If so, what are the aims of the new go’vt and do we have to overthrow this one to make it happen? as much of an idealist as I am, that is tough for me to conceptualize. or, does it mean making the US population wake up and change certain things? If so, what is to be changed?
Smaller scale would be something like pushing for a living wage. it affects a really large group of people and cuts across sociological barriers so it’s easier to get millions of people behind it. plus any discussion of living wage will move into issues like health care affordability, rich/poor gap, and intrinsic value of work so it serves a dual purpose of tangible change as well as furthering discussion.
but, a living wage is still squarely in the context of the capitalist system and so I don’t think of it as revolutionary as much as evolutionary. when I think of a revolution I think of large-scale changes, like eliminating money and moving into a new barter-style economy, or fracturing the power of the feds and giving a lot more independence back to the states.
of course these are things that resonate with me, what about everyone else?
And same as I wrote above, goes for a lot of the people writing in this thread. Everyone seems to be throwing around the words “revolution” and “change” without actually defining them. I think people need to start stating their specific grievances with the government/society/economy etc… And I think people need to start sharing what they think would be a good solution. A solution is not revolt, a solution would be like passing this and this law… a revolution, fundraising, raising awareness, these are all the means to the solution or goal.
I think everyone needs to realize that as bad as the situation in the U.S. may seem, in a lot of places where these revolts took place, the situation was a lot worse. So it’s awesome to look at the uprisings that happened in other countries this past month, but everyone needs to realize: THIS is America, not like Tunisia. Different set of problems, different opportunities for getting rid of the problems.
this is what i have experienced…you can not change the world…you can only change yourself…and you can help others to change…if; and only if, they want to change…the masses do not want to change…it would require them to accept responsibility for themselves…and for most people over 30 the word change is not in their dictionary …
for the true seeker…he/she finds a way to learn…or… some one to teach them…this site from my point of view…is for the true seeker…this is a place to learn; if, the person wants to learn…the light is here…so are the ones who attempt to put it out…let each person make their choice to learn…let each person decide for themselves what is right for them…free will in action…let the light shine…and it can shine in you; if, you seek it out :D
Mr Tits u hit the nail on the head there…..But i believe the lads & lassies were discussing a less violent way…..@GEOFF great ideas…But meanwhile back in Europa….The Revolution is alive & kickin’…..The Greeks made a move last nite…The Spanish got a kick in the Balls from the Germans… regards the ecoli cucumbers….they wiped 200million overnite by pointing the finger….Turned out to be Beansprouts in Germany….A lot of issues here Guys & Gals …. You Americanos I am directing my spiel to….El Revolucione has Started.
Lets Aspire…. to revolting in an orderly fashion…using all available means of a Compassionate Peaceful Forgiving Tolerant type of Action….We Will Overcome….
Remember they have ALL the Guns…..
The hardest part about changing america is what it has become. It is fucking GIGANTIC, and there are soooooo many people here. Creating a coherent picture for a new- state, government whatever you want to call it- that everyone is satisfied with, just is not possible. I honestly think the best goal that we could have, is to break the US into smaller co-operating territories that are governed separately. American’s have a lot more in common regionally than nationally. But that’s more for later. The hardest part about making this actually happen, is having us nationally agree revolution is necessary. There are a ton of people out there, who still fill the US is the bees knees. Granted most of these people are older, but still. I think the key here is just helping the common man realize that, GDP has been increasing for 20 years, without the common man seeing the fruits of those labors. The CEO’s have been just pocketing the difference, because money is the motivator. and as long as money is the motivator, the common man will keep getting screwed. “Capitalism did this.”-Micheal Moore
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
No revolution is necessary. The Western democratic nations have the right pieces in place, we have already been promised so many rights and the right to vote to change things in the nation.
Big, positive action is needed before anyone who is not naturally inclined to will take any notice.
I have ideas that are, I think, realistic in the sense that they are really not impossible and I don’t see how they would collapse and turn into something bad (no-one ever does, though). It’s about using the technology we have today to make a reality what was promised by the idealistic early founders of democracy. It wasn’t possible back then which is why we are the way we are but it is SO possible today it is amazing!
@Alex, I’ve never seen you lacking faith before now. I second Bobby’s why?
I completely disagree with @Skip and @General Tits. None of the great things that have ever happened have been realistic. That’s what makes them great!!! If revolution was easy, we would have done it already.
@Bobby, check your inbox.
It sounds like some of you guys want to just be good people together, others are trying to get people to think differently, and I’m still pretty sure Jordan wants a new government (“Okay one more time, this thread is about a political revolution NOT a spiritual revolution”).
Those of you with the first two ideas, go for it, make the world a better place. For you guys that want to have a new government then you better get a shit ton of money to start campaigning or a shit ton of guns to fuck shit up.
With that said I’ll stop pissing on your parade now.
Have you heard of the movement “Democracia del ria” in Spain?
I find it very inspirational! I love the way how they peacefully protest and talk to people.
It spread all over Europe, even in my city in Belgium. You might learn a few tips from them :)
I hope they will still be camping in my city when my exams are over, I really want to join in!
The wikipedia page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Spanish_protests
The official website : http://www.democraciarealya.es/
Around the world : http://www.thetechnoant.info/campmap/
@intellectualblasphemy, there are a lot of ideas in this thread which don’t FORCE people to share our vision. The actual beginning of this was about, for example, the “wake up-stencils”, we would try to WAKE PEOPLE UP, make them think about the life they are living. Analysing and questioning their whole life up to the point when they are confronted with our message, and realising for the most of them, what a passive life they are leading. How life is living them instead of living life theirselves and continiously exploring themselves, the people who surround them and the magnificent world we live in.
We have to give people a signal to wake up and start to think about life, discover theirself and finally reach their full potential and LIVE LIFE
Well I just saw this episode of Extra Creditz (http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/politics) and even if it has a focus on games, it explains alot of interesting ways to be heard. Maybe something like this can be a small step to a revolution.
There’s too much aggression being hinted at here, a ‘fight’ against closed mindedness, which in turn makes the agressor closed minded for not considering circumstances which lead to that persons belief, and unnecessary anger from the defending party for the defence of these beliefs.
I suggest you re-read my idea, the mass-media attention through non-aggressive acts of free thought, showing what is possible from a small group of free thinking individuals aiming to inspire good in the world.
Then releasing a set of books and other reading materials/ perhaps a television program designed to inspire thought, lateral thinking and trigger the start of personal development in millions of people.
@all the Zeitgeist’s – I don’t think doing away with money is a good idea… not that it would happen. I mean in a perfect world, or with the right people you could definitely do away with money. For example, look up Kibutzes in Israel. But while people can write words and print paper you’re going to have some sort of money; which can be in the form of checks, contracts, and any other promises to return a favor/service in some way. Btw, thats all that money is… if a check or contract is a promise between two people, money is a promise between millions of people. Which is a GOOD thing when you take into account what the average person is like.
Just needed to share my opinion!
Very true Alex! … I’ve tried to simplify the problem the world faces with one word… exploitation.. if you get rid of that.. everything will be fine..
Another thing with the U.S. is that I think we would start a cascade if we collapsed… So i’m not sure exactly what kind of ‘austerity measures’ we would get… but we are close to getting them… but if we sink, I’m under the impression that we are gonna hurt the world really bad… just said that cause maybe they will just keep printing money and won’t let us sink and ppl will stay in their small little worlds, maybe they will let us sink for a NWO… i don’t really know… the federal reserve is whack, the government is whack, the laws are whack, the tax system is whack, the banks are whack… prob a buncha other stuff too… hah..
I say make something go viral… get protests going… stop lobbying, or do something major…
After some thinking, I think in order to start a revolution we need to wait until the system itself collapses, which will eventually happen. Because if we say start these ideas, possibly start a new system to try and take over the existing one, we would be labeled as “terrorists” and most likely thrown in prison or even killed. But, if they cannot pay their police forces and armies, then they won’t have them.
Banks are ruling the world right now, they did a lot of work to make that happen, they won’t let it go by because of a few thousand people who meditate and want to live harmoniously.
By the way, not to scare anyone, but this entire site is probably being monitored by the government.
@Robert, the idea that we can only change ourselves, makes me feel sad. I am new to this website, and have yet to implement many of these fantastic ideas into my life, but I’ve learnt that there are issues with how our planet is running, and waiting for others wanting change just doesn’t sit right. The general population isn’t aware that these problems exist, and won’t be aware unless the problems are brought to light!
I don’t know if it is just me, but I would think that everyone would feel blissful knowing that they are working towards changing the world for the better
@general tits von chodenhoffen — I don’t think that overthrowing the U.S. gov is what everyone’s talking about… rather I think this whole discussion is focused on taking proactive steps towards reformation. Reforming the way our administration, country, laws, politics, etc are managed to better suit our modern world and better the lives of millions of people (hopefully!)
The stencils/graffiti would be a way to show how ubiquitous the support for the movement is across the US. There’s a story that Adam Kokesh (who’s been trying to do this type of thing for a few years now, and was recently arrested for dancing in front of the Lincoln Memorial — google that if you haven’t seen it) talks about in the video below that goes like this:
2000 years ago a Roman senator said ‘We should make all of the slaves in Rome where a white arm band so they can be easily identified.’ Another wise senator said ‘No, if they see how many of them there are, they will revolt.’
Obviously for this to be successful, it needs to be huge. People will not act if they think they’re among the majority. So our priority should be revealing the huge number of people that are discontent, and them bringing them together through action.
@Alex, I would say we’re trying to show the American people that they are not alone in being unhappy with the way this country is being run. Our mission is to provide opportunities for people to publicly and safely show their discontent. It is our hope that Americans will come together en masse and reclaim what it means to be American: to have an relentless demand for liberty and freedom.