Can we start a revolution?
Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.
Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?
I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.
Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.
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revolution or protests or twitter or w.e. those are the “tools” you use… but before you choose your devices you need to know specifically what you want to use them for…
okay, everything sucks etc… what do you WANT the situation to be like?
@Jordan Lejuwaan what exactly do you think needs to be changed politically, I mean specifics, not just complaining or making broad statements like “the government is terrible.”
lastly, besides you or me, realistically, does the average person want the same changes you are calling for?
what, exactly, would be the perfect outcome…
hey guys this is my first comment on HE so i would just like to start off by saying thank you Jordan, this is such a great website with a great mission. In these past few weeks that i have been following the site it has helped a lot mainly with positive thinking but i love the whole lot!! :)
As for revolution i believe that drastic measures will need to be applied in order to cure the backwards society or dare i say the world we live in. But as i am studying the Russian revolution it is obvious that they where not expecting the overthrow of the Tsar, probably better to say they were surprised once they had taken control. They had thought very little about how they would act once they had seized power, but correct me if I’m wrong I’m no expert on the subject.
But what im getting at is i think in this day and age we should learn from previous attempts of revolution and what i think we can take from the Russian revolution is that we need to have an exact plan of what we want to achieve once the power has been shifted, whether that be to link up with The Venus Project and The zeitgeist Project I’m guessing that would be up for discussion but in my opinion that’s what i would aim for.
anyways hello from Australia, I’m all for a revolution i just don’t want to be left out and unable to show my support. I think a coordinated protest between America and Australia and hopefully a lot more countries would have a great effect… enough from me now haha
I totally agree! Loving the suggestions so far..
A couple of weeks ago during the throne speech from our new government, a girl stood up in the middle of the Senate with a ‘Stop Harper’ stop sign. He’s possibly the worst leader that can happen to our country. I think her act of civil disobedience was just awesome! Seems a lot of people, the media at least, was outraged at her ‘disrespect’ – but the guy really is a danger, for one; she also did it silently, with poise, and in a manner that grabs attention. Using a general protest platform is not nearly as effective, cause that’s the point of the entire scene, to protest for change. Well, we have to shove it in people’s faces cause otherwise the general population will not seek that out. If it’s made so that you can’t miss it, it can get somewhere.
The girl who did the stop sign:
the only idea that everyone has to agree upon is the current system is whack, everything, from slaughter houses, to how they grow food, our energy, our transportation, it all sucks ass, it’s all for profit… And the ‘Wake Up’ thing is brilliant… but tagging property is a no go for me… I wouldn’t argue that it could be affective tho, and basically free… but to kick the dead horse again… i think it takes money to change the world, and the ppl with it, are the ones that need to have the heart awakening, if that happens, look out, cause shit is going down… That is just my take, I could see that the ppl with the absolute power, might make things so bad people actually put their foot down, like in Europe, they were given promises, and the promises were broken, that is unacceptable.. but you need everyone on board, like scientists, and business owners, and basically all the brilliant minds… they are the ones that we need to become excited about making a change… creating free energy, a society that you can actually be mobile in… Seeing injustice motivates me, but again on the grafitti part and what I said about the brilliant minds.. not that you wouldn’t get a positive outcome, but it could be viewed as juvenuile, and turn brilliant thinkers away… You could however make very disturbing videos of the reality of the injustices in our world, and how that trickles down to all of us… if enough people show the people with the power how to change the world, it might actually happen… The zietgiest movement is cool, but it doesn’t give a plan… you have to show the better way in black in white, you have to figure out the economics… It could happen, but the system doesn’t want awesome products that would last a lifetime and were cheap… they wouldn’t get rich… Half of the powerful people think the are better than others is my take… it’s like windows 2.0.. they could make 10.0 now.. but why would they when they can make huge profits from 3.0, then 4.0, then 5.0… make THEM do it… or get the masses to make them
I think you have to have ppl like tony robinson on the mission.. you have to have the right message, and the proper information, you have to get the power away from the politcians somehow, they are lobbyist puppets, it no longer matters who you vote for, it never did in my life time, protesting lobbying would be very powerful I think…. I really have seen time and again that it takes something bad to happen, for something good to come… and to avoid that situation, would take a powerful, organized message… not a desire to change, but a blueprint… Love the Wake Up idea… awesome
And I agree with Robert, this website is like a revolution…
I think if ppl legalized marijuana the world would change lol… changing the world is a huge goal but I believe… and remember money has a giant mouth and never stops talking, if ppl would just stop listening… that would be something
I love the ideas floating around here.
In my opinion, we need to isolate what separates us from the masses and then try to bring that trait out in them. Maybe the name of the movement or the graffiti or whatever is more important than we think. I like ideas such as “Stop sleepwalking through life.” “Turn off the auto-pilot.”
As long as we’re always honest and passionate about the movement, it will succeed. The only time that good doesn’t prevail is due to fear or laziness, I’d say.
@everybody that @’d me. I say not yet because a lot of us still would back down if it came to riots and gunfire. If the U.S keeps going to shit like it has been, there will be riots, there will be cries for change and there may be a revolution. But not just yet.
“Hey there buddy, do you know that we are fucked?” haha, im just kidding, but getting people to see outside of their box is extremely hard. So many things are flooding their heads constantly and no one has any time to think about what is going on around them. This may be condradictory to my last sentence but more then likely they already thought about it before and have labeled what your getting across as useless.
I don’t think rioting, trying to force people into free thought, or property damage (graffiti) would be an advocated solution, but I have a spark that might be fairly agreeable.
I think the first steps would be a physical location of note, for self realised pilgrims to quest, this could take the form of some sort of refuge temple high in the Himalayas i.e.
or more accessibly, a basement coffee shop in New York, tucked away on a side-street and off the map, with a huge back-cellar hidden behind a cutaway wine barrel door or bookcase, with a large discussion room (flame lit) for discussion of note, an absolutely huge library twisting away into the depths of the vast ceiling, several antechambers and side rooms for meditation use, study, or smaller discussions.
Essentially, members, ‘in the know’ would make it their effort to spread the word to those in a similar ‘knowledge seeking’ state and it is here that matters of importance would be discussed but with much more grounding and flow than could ever occur on a non-physical forum.
Just think, we’d essentially carry out very deep and meaningful discussion on topics continually amidst consumption of fine food and drinks, I bet we’d combined, blast through several hundred streams of thought every few hours, all of which should be documented on parchment, to later be written into Hardback leather-bound books.
The reason for all this secrecy, flame-lit, hood-wearing, stone-cellar, leather-bound hood-winkling-ness? So that we gain sufficient prestige to the outside world, anyone looking in as an outlooker would see this as a very cool cause simply for the physical aspects of it, which in the end contribute to nothing internally, we are all equal and we are all objectively seeking knowledge.
What makes it cooler is that we are ever-open to new members, there are no limitations on our part imposed for joining, and the media attention we garner summons a large amount of interest, where we debunk any mystery or cult-accusation, basically stating we are free thinkers who like to talk, and then go on to throw out a load of self-published material in the form of Books and other Articles specifically designed to start people thinking.
These can make reference to, and include, religious and spiritual discussion, but cannot directly be related nor associated to, any one particular religion or belief stream, because to do so would be assuming the beliefs of one human being over another, and this is something I believe would contradict the cause as a whole.
The way I see it, all humans, in-the-know or not, are equal, it is very easy when you become enlightened or knowledgable to start thinking you are a savior-saint, and that everyone else is wrong and dumb compared to you, or should be shunned for not free-thinking or obeying your beliefs for whatever reason. I think it is possible to bring anyone around to a state of realisation, but it is a complex and long-time process, and does require a choice on behalf of the person to accept change.
The books would be engineered to close on a note of openness, almost with a ‘cliffhanger’ ending, that leaves the reader wanting and thirsting for more, and this would be the beginning of a new era of thought. I’m sure there’d be critics who would put it down to nothing more than ‘idle fiction’ but the number of readers who gain an actual positive effect or epiphany through the readings would snowball into a large scale mass exodus.
@Alex and Matt, the Zeitgeist movement isn’t associated with Marxism or any other political system. Sure, it has a lot of qualities in common with Marxism, which is what makes most people (especially Americans) condemn the Zeitgeist Movement — in addition to the debunking of religion and conspiracy-claims regarding 9/11 in the first movie (which in fact has nothing to do with the movement itself). Anyway, it is explained in the oriantation guide (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The%20Zeitgeist%20Movement.pdf) and of course the film (http://zeitgeistmovie.com/) why this isn’t Marxism.
@Jordan, you might be right that we need a stepping stone in order to make the necessary changes. I don’t think so though. Give the current system some time and things will get worse. The unemployment rate will continue to rise, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer and an economic crisis will become permanent. When people see with their own eyes how shitty things actually are, they will be more susceptible to a paradigm shift like the Zeitgeist Movement proposes.
Of course, I could be wrong.
@siantastic, aha so I see. But first things first if you ask me. We have to gather people!
@jordan, are you supporting this idea? I was thinking about using the biggest social network, Facebook, to gather people and fully explain and structurise this idea about spreading a stencil-message, because these topics are perfect for discussions but not for organising etc. So, what about if we set up an open facebook group, which everybody ofcourse can join (and which you, Jordan, could possibly share on the HE-fbpage or write an article about it so we can reach some motivated HE-souls), where we set out our plans and finally start to realise this possible-lifechanging idea. We may not reach everybody at this globe, or change the world, but every individual which we may influence, will be damn well worth it.
It saddens me that the Zeitgeist Movement has only been mentioned once in this discussion, especially considering the fact that Jordan started a thread about the film “Zeigeist: Moving Forward” four months ago. Are you not as convinced as you were, Jordan? Or do the movement’s proposed solutions it seem too “unrealistic”? For me, it is unnecessary to start a new revolution when there is an existing movement like TZM, which, in my opinion, provides doable remedies to most of the world’s problems today. There must be a global revolution (or at least evolution) at some point in order for the human species to survive, why not start today?
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Zeitgeist Movement: check out the previously mentioned thread and, more importantly, the film, which is imbedded in the first post.
@Alex – I didn’t quite catch your argument about the monetary system. You say it’s a “GOOD thing when you take into account what the average person is like.”
Whoa, that’s a statement that needs to be clarified. What is the average person like? And what makes it a good thing?
About “rasing awareness”: Of course that alone won’t get you far, but the actions that follow are direct consequences of the new information people are being taught. If no one knows the need for change, no one will change anything.
The system is a mess at best. The media is crooked, politicians are corrupt, are current system of debt isn’t so much different from share cropping. There are unjust wars and slavery all over the planet.
How much worse could it get? Why would you be any less trusting of someone trying to change the system than the system that is already established?
@paul i get your point but sadly that’s the way it is, if we got rid of TV, magazines, some movies, etc, people would NOT be happy, sheep must wake up, I hope this video helps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGw3iuh82jo
If we’re going to start a revolution we need to have more followers, for now all we can do is wake people up.
@vizznou, i like it man, but do you think people would really go home and watch that? Life in a day was extremely insightful, i loved it, but to the average person it would be a awaste of time or they might think your the same as any other person trying to spread a message. See, i already have a useless tag on that dude.
@jordan…i agree with you; to a point…yes; you can start something like brittney’s idea of “wake up”…and you could have people join this action…but; as soon as the excitement wears off…the masses will leave …i lived through the sixties…the concepts of changing the world went up in smoke (haha) and you were left with many fractions via for there own piece of the action…it all crumbled…no peace but we did get out of viet nam…we lost…
to me the only true change can come when an individual chooses to change themselves…i realize it is a long and slow struggle…and; if, we only have 18 months ahead of us…not doable …but; if one person makes the decision to change for the better he/she can assists another who wants to change…
now the real downside to this…all have to change to the same idea …otherwise; the change will not be a united change but a free for all :D…which brings us back to where we are now :D
change is taking place …more and more people are seeking inner knowledge…your site proves this out…more than 2000 new subscribers since i have been here…my suggestion be patient …let your site be the beacon for the true seeker…you are making a difference…and 3600 people + seem to agree with me :D (hang in there jordan; you are doing just fine)
@Jonas, but that could be years away. Waiting for it to be bad enough for people to open their eyes should be the backup plan. I’d rather get something going and learn from this smaller movement to get to the larger one sooner and to be more prepared for it. I just don’t see a point in not starting now.
The way our political system works makes it very difficult for a third party to be viable, but I think a centrist party would be the only real way to start a revolution. The problem with this is that once in power even the most well meaning people can be corrupted. The revolution can’t stop with throwing out our current policy makers, it must also change policy and the way our government works. The main issues with our government are campaign finance and the lobbying power of large corporations and organizations. Changing these will require a large group of ideological people passing bills that will most likely cause them to not be re-elected. One thing that can help change the two party system would be run off elections, where candidates needs to win with a majority and not just a plurality. Some states and localities have already started implementing an instant run off election process where you basically rank the canidates from first to last, other states have actual run off elections. This allows people to vote for third party candidates without feeling that their vote is being wasted (Ralph Nader syndrome…)
Nice topic and nice ideas you have there!
@bobbylloydxd, I think a revolution IS possible and that we not only can but if we know that something is wrong we should change it!
In my own opinion I think that the violence is the last resource you should use, but I also think that sometimes it is necesary!
I think there is a great tool, but we underestimate its power, it is the Internet!
We can start a movement, it needs to be globaly, not only in USA, but also if posible in other places like Latin America or Europe. Using the Internet as our “central”, with a webpage. Its just an idea but im sure it will work, with the help of the people and of the internet we could organize events, and place posters in the streets.
But I think the first thing is that everyone realizes that we NEED a change, and when everyone, or at least the most understands that, a revolution will not be so hard to start. :)