Is there any way that we can bring light the injustices in our society and have them changed? Could we end proletarianism? Could we eradicate the system of perpetual debt? Could we force out the two party system? Could people be convinced that feeding the hungry is more important than wearing brand name clothes? That Mexicans are as important as Americans. That we should not be attacking people that sell drugs but instead attacking the system that makes people want to do drugs. That our neighbors aren’t dangerous, stupid, or malicious.
Could we spread pamphlets and posters that would grab peoples attention and help them to see that the way the world is going isn’t right? Would any of you be willing to help me?
I am not the best written individual I know, and I am limited by my proximity. But if we were to team up, and each use our skills and our locations to our advantages we could perhaps spread consciousness and start a revolution.
Please let me know if you have any ideas on how we could potentially get this ball rolling.
This thread is great, but getting too long, anyone think of a better way to summarize the pints here and make it more user friendly so taht we cal all actually do something rather than talking about it?
(Meant in a friendly way)
Well it was São Paulo, Brazil.
its president Roberto Tripoli said. “Yes, some people are going to have to pay a price but things were out of hand and the population has made it clear that it wants this.”
So it wasn’t only he who wanted the add removed but the people living in São Paulo (not all but many)
I still stand by not forcing our ideals on people, change will come when enough realize what’s wrong.
What’s the point on forcing a view on someone else? Change without awareness is meaningless, people will fall back on their old ways because they see nothing bad with them to begin with. That’s why they have to become aware first.
It’s like forcing people to be good, and saying that they have free will. Are they really good? No, their deeds are empty.
thanks for sao :) and i don’t wanna get (well, even more) off-topic, but i find it peculiar that you say that forcing the removal of things that force something on you is forcing. because to me, it’s just the removal of the forcing and then all your arguments apply in favor of removing. now that went pretty cerebral… but then, it also is all about creating the space and conditions in which people can discover their awareness, ideals, and the true values in life: to create an environment in which the things you value are even able to dwell. guess all i’m saying is don’t deliberately ad(d) confusion and mischief.
@everybody that @’d me. I say not yet because a lot of us still would back down if it came to riots and gunfire. If the U.S keeps going to shit like it has been, there will be riots, there will be cries for change and there may be a revolution. But not just yet.
@paul i get your point but sadly that’s the way it is, if we got rid of TV, magazines, some movies, etc, people would NOT be happy, sheep must wake up, I hope this video helps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGw3iuh82jo
If we’re going to start a revolution we need to have more followers, for now all we can do is wake people up.
Thought this would go well here..
Something needs to be done. A total reconstruction of society..I think we all know this. But how? There is more than one answer, but which is the correct one? No fucking idea.
@pipthecynical, I think it’s innovative but reaches less people than with the original idea of those “wake up” stencils, is anybody still enthousiastic about the stencil-idea? We can make this work!
Me, I would be ‘bombing’ two of the biggest cities in Belgium: Brussels and Ghent
I’ll try and design an easy stencil and upload it here
If anybody wants to help me out with this, respond!
@intellectualblasphemy, there are a lot of ideas in this thread which don’t FORCE people to share our vision. The actual beginning of this was about, for example, the “wake up-stencils”, we would try to WAKE PEOPLE UP, make them think about the life they are living. Analysing and questioning their whole life up to the point when they are confronted with our message, and realising for the most of them, what a passive life they are leading. How life is living them instead of living life theirselves and continiously exploring themselves, the people who surround them and the magnificent world we live in.
We have to give people a signal to wake up and start to think about life, discover theirself and finally reach their full potential and LIVE LIFE
@bobbylloydxd, I am all for this! we need to actually have a “raise awareness” day! where everyone hands out pamplets and speaks to as many people as possible about what is going on. the world, as it stands, is sheer madness. However, I believ that people must learn on there own. The thing is, there are probably many people who are willing to change, willing to step up to the plate, and say the people that run our society are terrible, and we need the kind, loving caring, people to not be afraid and stand up fopr what they believe in. together, we can create peace <3
@heron, I only just read the wake up idea now, and thought it was pretty exciting. There would be a sizeable start up cost however. But there are ways to get money, like a good campaign on kickstarter for instance.
I am aware however that this is similar to the High Intelligence Office project that received funding on kickstarter. So perhaps it is time for something more. I wish I knew what that was.
@siantastic, aha so I see. But first things first if you ask me. We have to gather people!
@jordan, are you supporting this idea? I was thinking about using the biggest social network, Facebook, to gather people and fully explain and structurise this idea about spreading a stencil-message, because these topics are perfect for discussions but not for organising etc. So, what about if we set up an open facebook group, which everybody ofcourse can join (and which you, Jordan, could possibly share on the HE-fbpage or write an article about it so we can reach some motivated HE-souls), where we set out our plans and finally start to realise this possible-lifechanging idea. We may not reach everybody at this globe, or change the world, but every individual which we may influence, will be damn well worth it.
Nice topic and nice ideas you have there!
@bobbylloydxd, I think a revolution IS possible and that we not only can but if we know that something is wrong we should change it!
In my own opinion I think that the violence is the last resource you should use, but I also think that sometimes it is necesary!
I think there is a great tool, but we underestimate its power, it is the Internet!
We can start a movement, it needs to be globaly, not only in USA, but also if posible in other places like Latin America or Europe. Using the Internet as our “central”, with a webpage. Its just an idea but im sure it will work, with the help of the people and of the internet we could organize events, and place posters in the streets.
But I think the first thing is that everyone realizes that we NEED a change, and when everyone, or at least the most understands that, a revolution will not be so hard to start. :)
@novdog, i LOVE your wake up campagin idea. I myself am extremely passionate about this topic. I often find myself tweeting a lot about this kind of stuff and i have used the hash tag WakeUp several times. I also like to say WakeUpPeople. I think we need to get this started I think about this every day and Im tired of sitting around waiting for something to happen. We can do this!
Do you think we can make a stencil of the the QR code paint it on walls nd people would be able to take a snap shot of it while driving by? People would want to know what it means. Im suggesting that this be something that is somewhat encypted or hard to find because governmental agencies will try to shut this down or we will be tracked. We may need like a front, or make it look like just some punk kids doing nothing with their life like we are
extremely unorganized or something.
Im all for this stuff and we have the opportunity at this present time to take advantage of all this new technology that most p eople do not realize is out there. All we need is ideas, every person can contribute to this and pass along their ideas; open communication.
I really like what Euro was saying, showing them the way. We could use how we have learned about our current global situation and direct them to many new philosophies, ideas, concepts while also emphasizing individuality and openmindedness. Together I think we can definitly take the initiative and start to embrace and form this new type of thinking and global viewpoint of the world. We need to lead by example, by educating ourselves and expressing why it is so important, it is our weapon and with modern technology bombs of knowledge can be obtained w/ a click of a button. For example I have watched a movie on netflix recently that has taught me alot about the art of graffiti and how to do it. Little things that can help people contribute to the overall movement.
Phil W. Mentioned a few things about structure, maybe a few simple rules like no violence, reflecting the needs of the people; It is not about ourselves its about everyone else, or smaller things like never getting caught by the police in the case of sprey painting, and what to say if this happens but this will just be in future discussions once things get more organized. Symbols are great too and we can make them more direct by wheat pasting them in locations were many many people can see them. A few could be; Che Guevara, Ghandi, MLK, you know people how did great things for humanity. Make sure people know exactly what they are posting though and not just doing it because they were told to do. Everyone has to be about what they do.
Another thing is we can get people to do tasks, like encouraging people to take place in migrations, doing community service, or improve stunts of a bunch of people doing things for no reason other then to put smiles on peoples faces; flash mobs. We can express arts, and cause in a way art can be extremely meaningful. And we can have like metals like the army except for doing good for people, lol that one just came to me. But I am just giving some ideas. I think that is all it is going to take really, people talking. We can do crazy things we just have to realize that we can. I think a good place to start is watching the Movie Che, he did everything for the people.
“At the risk of seeming rediculous, let me say that a true revolutionary is lead by a great feeling of love.”
I am so amped up about this type of stuff because it needs to happen so badly. People need to wake the fuck up and we can do it so easily if we just learn to work together and organize. People want to do the right thing, and they want to be apart of something bigger then themselves, give it to them.
After some thinking, I think in order to start a revolution we need to wait until the system itself collapses, which will eventually happen. Because if we say start these ideas, possibly start a new system to try and take over the existing one, we would be labeled as “terrorists” and most likely thrown in prison or even killed. But, if they cannot pay their police forces and armies, then they won’t have them.
Banks are ruling the world right now, they did a lot of work to make that happen, they won’t let it go by because of a few thousand people who meditate and want to live harmoniously.
By the way, not to scare anyone, but this entire site is probably being monitored by the government.
@hulklol, the point that we have to make people realize that we need a change, would be the essence of the stencils, stickers, QR codes and flyers. We would make people think about their lives, realize we need a change and by putting a website on the flyers or in the stencil we could lead people to a little website. This website would be a portal (as @kkylekittell24, said) where we learn people about our current global situation and direct them to many new philosophies, ideas, concepts while emphasizing individuality and openmindedness