Capitalists (spam joke gone wild)

Capitalism worked very well for us all for the last 200 or some years ago..but I think people are starting to see that it may need some tweaking to work in the future. Financial Profit is the underlying goal of any capitalist venture…but in order for it to completely work as it does in the united states… Unbridled capitalism…some people need to be debt or poor.

Ayn Rand believed the problem with Capitalism is that is never had a moral or philosophical foundation. But given that kind of foundation, it would have been ideal. Every individual would have to live up to their own highest potential in order to make a living.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

Check it out, she’s awesome.

@Michelle, Atlas shrugged reaffirmed a lot a ideas i had too but imho her 50′s/60′s outlook isn’t as broad minded as it could be 50 years later in our modern 21st century world. Not everyone actually gets their opportunities, no matter what they could/would/should be capable of.
@ tits, as for capitalism being better than communism, how do you feel about the current state of decline of the world’s foremost capitalist nations??
I’m certainly no commi, but as for the latest round of ‘capitalism’ I see it as a big fat joke being played on the world’s everyday citizens – the everyday people who do all the hard work to actually keep our world turning.
If it’s more moral and ethical issues we seek to discuss here then just have a look at whose leading us. Look at how the next US presidential election is already being played out! Sh!t has been flung at, and has deservedly stuck fast to, every single candidate regardless of political persuasion.
Of course there is no good or bad, it’s just the ‘what you can get away with’ mentality that stinks.
“It ain’t what you do it’s the way that you do it”

I think we first need to define the perceived problems with capitalism first and apply some critical thinking to understand what those problems are rather than arguing from a bunch of unwritten assumptions.

Michelle: Rand was a poor philosopher but a good writer, I’ll read her books but cringe often and then end up putting them back on the shelf. She loved personal attacks more than a serious position I’m afraid.

1. Recessions and depressions, ie. Business cycle. Is this a capitalist problem? Free market economists don’t think so (or at least not in the same way).

Bear in mind a recession can also be viewed as a positively good thing. Do you not feel asset bubbles should be corrected?

2. Because someone can does that mean they should? Are they using force? If not should we use force to stop them? Where do you morals come from and how do you view force?

3. Of course someone whould get bread if starving, what caused them to be starving? Lets take Ethiopia as a case in point.

Burke is rather antithetical towards himself in his understanding of morality rendering it subjective and historical in nature rendering most of his statements and thoughts regarding necessities as contextual to the time and location of his comments, phenomonal in nature (way to drunk for this heavy a conversation btw…)

Consider this quote:

“I cannot stand forward and give praise or blame to anything which relates to human actions, and human concerns, on a simple view of the object, as it stands stripped of every relation, in all the nakedness and solitude of metaphysical abstraction. Circumstances (which with some gentlemen pass for nothing) give in reality to every political principle its distinguishing color and discriminating effect. The circumstances are what render every civil and political scheme beneficial or noxious to mankind”

Morality and Burke are nonesense really it is pure relativism and that is OK but Burke on Liberty resorts to reductio ad absurdum:

““Is it because liberty in the abstract may be classed amongst the blessings
of mankind, that I am seriously to felicitate a madman, who has escaped from the protecting restraint and wholesome darkness of his
cell, on his restoration to the enjoyment of light and liberty? Am I
to congratulate a highwayman and murderer who has broke prison
upon the recovery of his natural rights?”

No Libertarian advocates moral nihilism that I have read, Burke uses his relativism, points to nihilism by seeming random induction pinning it to liberty like a drunken buffoon hits a pinyata.

But the main point is that he views humanity as innately needing restrained and that doesn’t fit with any evolutionary biology I follow where we are innately good unless sick or conditioned otherwise, we are gregarious (within tribal limits) genetically and history (prehistory) shows that violence is naturally unnatural within defined limits.

I do not say we do not need protection this is all rather abstract from anything I asked which was all regarding capitalism.

Capitalist world? I see state controlled central banking, fiat money, lenders of last resort and false stimulus and guarantees, I don’t see no capitalism son, why I’m all hat and no cattle because all I got right here is good old fashioned mixed economy and mercantilism!

(in other words capitalism is just a random word which I guess means trade but there is really zero free market in existence anywhere, not even a little)

Well with all due respect I think you could do with investigating it a little more and if you will take this in the friendly manner it is meant I would like to recommend a video podcast to you, they appear in both very long and very short amounts depending on your attention span at any given time and I certainly don’t agree with all opinions but worth a look. I’ve taken the time to pick out one I thought appropriate but short in case you think I’m full of it I don’t want to waste your time lol :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baAw6srihOE

Mind you this one is quite hyperbolic, maybe try some truenews stuff that is a bit lighter analysis on current events as I said I’m pretty wasted.

Furthermore research Ron Paul, perhaps the only honest politician who has always stuck to his guns no matter what and look at what he advocates.

See you say you are not interested but then pose a bunch of questions that are all intricately related.

I mean if you have a passing interest and really don’t want to go into the big questions and really spend some time on it all you are going to get is vacuous answers that probably don’t even begin to address the issues.

Thats cool man but I can’t really say anymore because any answers I’m likely to give you which I am actually happy to do will stretch to 10+ paragraphs and recommendations of literature (and I do it impartially from both left and right anarchist and statist).

OK then abnormal and comparitive psychology from an analytical POV or Kropotkin for philosophy but it is all useless with regards to capitalism unless you know capitalism and economics and political science. Nothing more to say really.

Nah nah nah I mean to get capitalism its a bit of everything to be honest because it involves humans, the other stuff is interesting all by itself and good on yer if you are interested

Don’t worry about doing owt, it will drift down beyond sight in a matter of a day it is a popular (or spam happy I prefer popular) site