Challenge: Doctrine of Discipline – A Pact with the Higher Self

2 years, 3 months ago

You may or may not agree with the following beliefs but this is a challenge for those that see a similar “higher self.” After careful deliberation today, and a very sudden and violent epiphany, I have created these creeds and will be doing my best in upholding them from this day forward. I realized that my suffering is a direct result of the decisions I have made and the manner in which I have been acting. We build the suffering around ourselves. I’m infuriated and ashamed of some of my past behavior: life is too short for games, I am combating my demons now. If you wish to do the same, please do and let me know if your habits and life improves.

The Creeds:

I. “I will not wait too long to act. Indecisiveness kills a man and closes doors. What you don’t go after doesn’t belong in your life.”

II. “I will not regret. Regret serves no purpose, the past is written in stone. Focus on the present where redemption is still possible.”

III. “I will not doubt myself. Do not look into the future, do what must be done now as perfectly as possible. Tackle the future as it becomes the present.

IV. “I will not fear. There is nothing to fear when one truly understands what it means to die. Dead men have nothing to fear.”

V. “I will not lust. The greatest form of weakness is to be at the whim of your body. Practice self discipline. Misguided energy fuels the depravity in the world.”

VI. “I will not overindulge. In excess we destroy ourselves. Things lose meaning when we receive too much of it. Practice moderation.”

VII. “I will not be untrue to myself. The judgments of others are destructive to the self when you allow them to influence you. Be yourself always.”

VIII. “I will not be violent. Anger is natural, but violence is unnecessary. Grasp the hot coal until you can no longer hold it, but never throw it.”

IX. “I will not be blind. ‘Justice delayed is justice denied’ -William Gladstone. ‘Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do’ -Voltaire.”

X. “I will not be overly proud. Pride is honorable, but in excess we become consumed by arrogance and vanity. Be humble and practice humility.”

*These are very specific because they are personal. We all experience different problems and need different ways and methods for amending them. This is a strict doctrine for me, but if you wish to participate you may tailor it to any level that you wish. I feel that no one should be told how to live their lives, so if you do not believe in these creeds, do not uphold them.*

December 5, 2012 at 11:49 pm

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I think what you’re referring to is, just living. :)

Although it could agree with your rules, I think the rules a pretty silly and limit one’s freedom.
If I just live, I don’t experience problems and I don’t need different ways and methods to amend them.

If you truly believe in: “I feel that no one should be told how to live their lives”, then I think with these rules you don’t follow your own words. Because you’re telling yourself how to live your life.

I think if you set rules, you will suffer on the moments you catch yourself not living by your own rules.

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Profile photo of Somethingnew Somethingnew (@dustyoculus) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, I think what you’re doing is awesome, personally. While many people on this forum may refer to life as “just living out what you feel”, and there is nothing wrong with that, I think there is much to be gained by denying and disciplining the self.
I can see something like this working like a fast. Since you are disciplining yourself and depriving your self of some things, the mind and body will find better things to spend their energy on and you will see gains elsewhere.
I’ve been wanting to create a few disciplines for myself for a while, thanks for the push. Good luck!

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@dustyoculus,

The self cannot be tamed, if that’s what you think.

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Profile photo of Shivvy Shivvy (@shivvy) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, ”IV. “I will not fear. There is nothing to fear when one truly understands what it means to die. Dead men have nothing to fear.””

I’d be curious to know what your violent epiphany was concerning this point :D. Not looking to attack your point of view, I just like hearing people talk about this stuff because it’s fascinating.

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@livelifeloving,

You’re right man, they are very limiting… thing is I’m still working off the excess energy from a very recent and profound epiphany haha. So I’m like really motivated and angry at myself so these rules are made intentionally limiting to keep me from regressing to my old habits. Trust me, though, I’ve come a long way but there are still a few things that I continue to do wrong.

You make a wonderful point about not following my own rules because I said that “no one should be told how to live”… you are right and that is the ironic and contradictory thing about these rules. It’s a contradiction that I am strong enough to overlook. I know it may not make sense, but understand that I do appreciate a free and unrestrained life… but my unrestrained thinking is hurting who I could be. So the gift and curse I have given myself are these rules: they are going to limit me until they become habit and I will be free again.

Thanks man, I appreciate your feedback:)

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@dustyoculus,

Thank you, and I wish you luck in your own pursuits!

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@shivvy,

Of course! Except that it isn’t any one thing. I will admit that the origin of my violent epiphany is mostly lost… I just have all the excess energy and motivation from it.

However, I will try my best to explain:
Like most people, on any given day, it’s all routine and grind. Although I’m not very routine-oriented, there are still those day-to-day habits that form a linear path in our lives. As nighttime came, and something very specific that happened… it hit me, like any epiphany. It’s like I stopped and witnessed my own self-becoming, my own suffering. Instead of being busy getting shit done I stopped and it clicked: I saw all the things that I’ve been doing to myself, all the causes that led to the effects. And just like that I was overcome with rage… rage at nothing and no one but myself. Your life is a success or a failure, a dream or a nightmare, solely on what you choose to make of it.

Just like that, I gave up everything that was destroying me: excess (not that I really indulge… I really don’t it’s just on the list of things I need to stay away from), overthinking/indecision, anger/inability to forgive, lust/motivated by hormones, being too apprehensive, etc.

I’ve always known these things, it’s just that I finally found myself again. We don’t have to have enemies… to have an enemy is a mutual thing, if I choose to forgive and be a friend, I can have no enemies. This logic can be applied to all things: everything in my life can be redeemed… no need to think that it’s too late. So long as I’m not six feet in the ground, there is still a chance.

Thanks man for your insightful question.

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Profile photo of Shivvy Shivvy (@shivvy) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, but the question still remains; what does it mean, for yourself, to truly understand what it means to die? Is it nothing? Are you gone forever? Reincarnation? Just curious :)

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@shivvy,

Haha oh now I understand! No, my epiphany on death has little to do with what happens after. That is the whole point of it. People don’t realize that death itself is quite simple… what happens after is another story. I personally could care less if nothing happens or if the adventure continues, I’d prefer the adventure of an afterlife or reincarnation… but these things don’t even come into play when we finally understand the meaning of death.

Think about your problems. However little or soulcrushing (death of a loved one, losing an opportunity, etc). Then truly think about what it means to die… to be laying down, completely unable to change anything or do anything about it… nothing trumps death. We all die, we try too hard to avoid it, we try too hard to justify not doing what needs to be done… we die, we lose everything. There is nothing too insignificant to do or say, nothing too impossible to attempt. No one important enough to judge or stop you, nothing good enough to leave you satisfied.

There are things that run deeper than death: injustice, unrighteousness, a wasted existence. When I understood what it meant to die… there was nothing left to fear.

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Profile photo of Shivvy Shivvy (@shivvy) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, Thanks for the answer :)

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim,

Enjoy the feeling of you epiphany and don’t feel bad if it subsides, it’s fine :)
Habits limit you, habits are the opposite of spontaneous, so if you mean that you will be free once they become habits, I think it will be the opposite.
If one lives a life with only Habits (to take it to the extreme), you do all the things that you think you’re Supposed to do.
While (as I think you’ll know), there is nothing you’re Supposed to do (of course there is a paradox here, but I can’t explain it otherwise).
I think nature does not have should and should not’s.
And I also think nature has the answer to life.

I appreciate your thoughts, they put me to think about MY life aswell and how I also have and had) rules.
But I am more and more realizing that these rules cost energy.

Thanks for You :)

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@shivvy,

You’re welcome my good man:)

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@livelifeloving,

I completely understand. You are the embodiment of a free mind and spirit… the world definitely needs more people like you. It is true: there is nothing that we are “supposed to do”, there are no expectations that we do not place on ourselves to begin with. Society is too swamped with habits and routine… we should just accept and be ourselves and stop trying to keep up with a status quo or build up our reputation.

The counter argument, of course, is that there are some people that are unhappy with who they currently are (not outgoing enough, not strong enough, not brave enough). If these people were to just look in the mirror and accept themselves, I am sure they would be greatly happy. But I also think that deep down they would regret never having found out what they could have been.

Sometimes we need to deny ourselves to find out who we are. If all the obese people just accepted loving overeating… then forever they remain obese. Being supermodel thin isn’t the solution either, but there are inherently self-destructive things that exist within each of us that we should not merely accept.

Thank you for your thoughts, have a great day man:)

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim,
(I’m flattered, I feel kinda all fuzzy insde hehe)
Hahaha, I wish I was always the embodiment of a free mind and spirit. More and more am I, though. Sometimes ‘ye olde habit takes over, but that’s cool :)
Osho made me realize a shit ton I’m telling you, if you agree with me, you’ll agree even more with Osho.
YES! I think you’re totally getting my point! What you explain in the last sentce of your first paragraph is being the change you want to see in the world. He didn’t mean go on and preach to the world that they have routines and habits, NO, Show them how It is done Then! If you care about the Habits and Routines of society you’re already surpassing your true nature. One of the things I took in my heart was Osho saying: I live a spontaneous life.
And there are no should and shouldn’t. This person Really speaks to me heart.

These people are unhappy because they can’t accept themselves and that if you Truly and Wholly accept yourself from that Point on, they Wouldn’t Regret anything anymore.

Don’t deny yourself, there is no who, there is no true personality, personality is rigid. Water has no personality, it just is. There are no solutions, because to start with, there are no problems. I think being ‘super skinny’ or ‘super fat’ Comes from not accepting the self.
Not accepting the self (the true nature, that which has no personality) is self-destructive.

Thank you for your thoughts, have a great day man:)
My day started off great, I wish the same to us :)

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@livelifeloving,

(hahaha that’s a good feeling to have)

I am fan of Osho’s philosophy and work, he really is a brilliant man. His methods for meditation are very powerful as well. I feel that your sense of freedom is very similar to his but as for myself I cannot say the same. I respect the man for his wisdom and knowledge: I try to learn and take away whatever I can from his teachings, but I remain steadfast in my own beliefs.
Of course my man, I understand. I do not merely preach though. I always practice the words that I spout out on here. I may become a bit overzealous or attached to these words that I say, but I always let go eventually and teach by example. It’s just that it’s hard to teach by example and through actions on a website (the argument is that you don’t at all) so I must turn to words to explain my reasoning to the people that read this site.
Understand, of course, that Osho preaches as well: he is right that to live the words is better than to speak them, but he is also preaching. Sometimes it’s hard to avoid using words to convey an idea and to get a point across.

It is true: self-acceptance is a beautiful thing. But still, the counter-point is that some people are born a certain way and deep down inside they know they are something different. It is true that some are aiming to live up to the expectations of others… but there are those that know deep down that they were meant to be something greater than themselves. When I deny myself, I am not denying my true self: I am denying my human weaknesses… if I accepted those weaknesses I would be too concerned with primal desires (sex, food, drugs, sleep, power). I deny them to find myself.

As always, I appreciate your thoughts!
Sorry for the late reply, I’ve been busy and I didn’t see that you replied. Hope your day went well man, mine did:)

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim,

I understand that you think he is preaching, I think he really is without goal and that he just speaks freely, whatever he wants.Although his intention is to wake up people, so maybe he has a goal (lets not complicate this). He speaks the Truth to me, it can be a lie for someone else. but I take his teachings in my heart and experience the benefits.
Well, certain things can’t really be explained, because if you d, then you surpass the thing you’re trying to explain, I think they’re paradoxes. Yesterday I told someone that my dream or goal in life is not not have a goal. This in itself is a goal, but how else would I explain it?

You point of view is different on things in this matter. When I accept everything about the situation I am in, Constantly, I choose the path with least Resistance. The path of least Resistance resembles what some call the Flow (it is also what I call the flow). I see Opportunities everywhere, I don’t see things that annoy me, I see the difference between my view on things and someone else’s view on things. If the difference in itself becomes clear, I can Accept and move on. Every day is an Adventure if you accept the way things are.

Of course, it is my truth.

Thank you for your thoughts as well, they bring me closer to myself.

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, this list will probably do more harm then good. Frusteration will come from this self limiting dogma. Trying to deny a natural part of the self is to deny the self altogether. In order to detach yourself fully you need to first fully engulf yourself in these regular life experiences. Only when you fully engage can you disengage. This paradox points to the infinite experience that is, this of which our brains cannot conceive. Just my opinion though, whatever works for you! Cheers! :)

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@livelifeloving,

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean by denial.

Regardless, thank you for your thoughts, as always

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Profile photo of Egarim Egarim C (@egarim) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@splashartist,

Haha, whether this doctrine does more harm or good is solely dependent on the one following it. The doctrine itself is lifeless and has no power over you: you get out what you put in. To become frustrated and suffer from upholding these rules is your own doing and no one else’s.

Thanks for your thoughts man!

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Profile photo of Nick Nick (@splashartist) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, Very true! Cheers!

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim,

Then enlighten me

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Profile photo of Mr. Daniels-Lee Mr. Daniels-Lee (@richieelee) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@egarim, WOW! Thank you for sharing.

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