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Kyle Gray (@kylegray23)    1 year, 7 months ago

I was at the Clackamas town center, working when the shooting started happening. It was one of the most traumatizing experiences that I have ever went through. Seeing hordes of people running for their lives, with the look of such terror on their faces. Im safe, and my thoughts and love go out to all the families affected by this terrifying event. My question to you HEthens is what do you think goes through a persons mind when they plan, and take actions like this? What gives them the right to decide to take life away from innocent human beings? I cant imagine having those thoughts run through my head so that’s why it is so hard for me to cope with this situation.

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Jeslyn (@jeslyntweedie)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@kylegray23,

It’s terrible. And close to home. I have friends who were there too, they called me to tell me about it. I live in Montana now but I used to frequent that area quite a lot a few years ago, and it’s always where I would do my christmas shopping. So crazy there was a shooting there…they they said it was absolutely terrifying. I’m glad you’re all ok.

I have no idea how anyone could just kill random innocent people. A lot of emotional detachment. Anger, greed, rage, revenge, money, insanity. There are reasons I guess :( and murder isn’t new. It’s just…so TRAGIC. I’m interested to see what the media is going to say about the shooter, and what they’re going to say the motive was. Thoughts of comfort to the affected families as well.

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NickStngl (@nickstengl)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Charles Whitman, is a prime example of a normal intelligent man who due to psychological issues led to him killing 13 people plus an unborn child.I encourage you to look up David eaglemans article of charles whitman.Its very interesting, and could answer your question !

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Stone (@stone93)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Very scary man! I’m glad we made it out of there!

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I don’t know how to say this in a way that isn’t fucked up, but I understand where they are. Its a twisted pleasure, and an extreme lack of empathy. It comes to a point where the “self” is all there is, and other people are kind of figments of reality. They don’t have real lives, and they certainly aren’t like you. So, I mean, having absolute power in a video game (getting the cheat with unlimited ammo and guns) is fun, so why not real life.

Definitely not saying that video games cause this, but the same underlying desire is there – complete control, complete power, infamous. The adrenaline would be so high and obviously an adrenaline junky who fantasizes about power is some what of a danger. I don’t understand, exactly, why killing other people becomes the option, but perhaps it is a childhood need for destruction. We love to tear down things when we’re kids – sand castles, our enemy’s tree forts, breaking tree branches. If we get into an abandoned parking lot we love breaking stuff. Blowing stuff up with fire crackers. Its all the love of destruction and chaos. The only difference is we empathize with people, not the ants on the ant hill we just loaded with an equivalent to a stick of dynamite.

Take away empathy, by a number of different methods (i.e. raising a child all fucked up) and there isn’t a boundary. Why not kill people, if you can’t feel there pain? If you have no empathy, I doubt the punishment of prison is even going through one’s mind. Its depersonalization, de-empathization, adrenaline junky, and power-hunger all rolled into a person.

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Shivvy (@shivvy)1 year, 7 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I get where you’re coming from. It shouldn’t surprise people to know that for some killing an ant and killing a human being is the same thing; you’re taking away a life and that’s that. BUT, killing a human would bring a bigger adrenaline rush because of the power over them you feel and the fear you feel emanating from them. When I play GTA and I’m running a red light, if someone is crossing the street at that time he/she is dead meat. I do this because I know it’s a video game, I would never be able to do this in real life. Some just can’t make that separation though. It’s scary as fuck, but it’s a reality we have to face.

The fame you get from these shootings but be really attractive to people. If I were suicidal/hated the world in general and on top of that wanted fame, I can see why someone would decide to take 13 other people with them. It’s a shame, but it’s the world we live in.

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Kyle Gray (@kylegray23)1 year, 7 months ago ago

I really appreciate all of your input. @shivvy @ijesuschrist @nickstengl @jeslyntweedie @stone_93

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