I’ve been on this site for a while, and although there’s been discussions that touch base on this topic, my question hasn’t been directly addressed (or so I have not seen yet). Anyways, basically I’m asking what your views on the importance of a college education is.
I’m pretty stoned and on addy so stay with me here…
The reason I’m asking? I’ve been seeing a lot of you pointing to the fact that college is in reality “pointless” per se. I understand where people are coming from by saying that self-learning can be way more useful and that tuition is ridiculous, I just can’t seem to get by how much negativity surrounds the entire idea of college on this site. I myself go to a private liberal arts college (gave the best financial aid) and consider myself decently educated as in terms of what is discussed on this site. Since I’ve been here (I’m currently a 1st semester sophomore), I’ve quite possibly had the best, most transforming experience thus far into my short life. I’ve learned more about myself than I could have ever imagined and have been continually living the most chaotically beautiful dream-like life since being here. Therefore I must make the point that I believe it is very much so up to the student to attain what they are looking for during their college experience. I know I can’t speak for large public universities, but at my school I have had many more good experiences socially and intellectually than bad. But again, I choose to actively question and discuss in class. I choose to put off a paper on a weeknight in order to get into an amazing, chaotic substance filled night with my closest friends. I choose to actively pursue friendships to those that help me grow as a person just as much as I help them. You can’t do the base level of work in life expecting above average results. It’s up to you to pick and choose what bits of information you need and/or want vs what is being fed to you, and going along with that, it’s up to you to ignore what you believe is a pile of shit.
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I believe there should be a heavy focus on career counciling. With things like personality and I.Q tests, you can narrow down potential career directions to a selection that the student can opt between. Variables like opportunity for such careers must be taken into account, but seldom would any individual be drastically limited. Once established, we have the duty to provide that person with the best possible education in that field.
Of course personality and I.Q may well alter over time, so it would be prudent for review, especially if that person is losing motivation toward that career. I also know that this time in a persons life is often vexed with indecisiveness, but that is usually because they have so many options and/or they fear that direction may lose its appeal, and that is precisely what the recommendations for a narrow down and a review are intended to alleiviate.@kankles,
@kankles, It’s just cynicism. Or people projecting their own inadequacies onto something else to make themselves feel better. They’d rather be doing what you’re doing, which is tearing down the walls of former lives and living the hell out of their time at school when really, anything goes.
As in, WTF did that really just ha–yuuup it’s on youtube.
And yeah, you didn’t have to tell us you’re on adderall haha
@kankles You’re right, college is what you make of it, like everything else in life. I don’t know if I still believe that a college education is important though. I used to, and obviously plenty of corporations and people in them still believe it is, because they require them. But my argument against them is that so many people go to college and then come out on the other side with no increased intelligence from where they started. I go to a large public university and it is incredibly easy to coast through here. I agree with you though, obviously you have to push yourself and actively choose to be better than average but when many people don’t, and they’re awarded the same degree at the end of the road, what makes that degree credible at all?
On the flip side though, I love college and I’m very glad I chose to pursue it. I’ve learned a shit load about myself and life and the world around me, but it’s also sparked my curiosity to continue to learn in whatever career path I choose.
I guess I’m torn, for some college is great, for some it is not. I think in the U.S. at least we need to stop pushing the “you must go to college” agenda on high school students, because many of them could benefit more from not attending and choosing a different path.
@yoinkie, Don’t make quick judgments. I know this and believe it yet I am still going to attend. Why? Why not? A plan B is always a good idea, a degree looks good on a resume. I already know this about school so I am going to do it but not fully engulf myself in the knowledge they teach. Plus i have investments going right now so I will be a couple hundred thousand dollars richer once i’m out of school anyways. Oh, and Im going to school for 4 years completely free.
@splashartist, what quick judgement? Most programs are 4 years, so assuming that you are just beginning your college career is an educated guess. And my question was, how could you assume those things about college having never been. I didnt ask why you are going regardless of believing those things.
I think that their is quite a strong issue against college on this website and I personally don’t understand it. Yes you could learn most things of online websites and such but the lecturers and tutors and the structure of courses are designed to be easy to follow and give you a new outlook to things expand your mind. There is already plenty of room to do what you want and how you want to allocate your time. I also think the multiple libraries is extremely resourceful and the level of seriousness found at university. Rather than being surrounded by people who don’t want to be at school you tend to be surrounded by reasonably diligent people and I think that is a + in itself! So far all the people who aren’t going to school aren’t CREATING THEIR OWN PATH YAHADHADHAH but they are simply have a full time job and I can’t really imagine beating ‘this system’
@splashartist, College education and high school education are two completely different entities with completely different positives and negative. Having been to highschool is in no shape or form enough experience to make educated assumption about college the way you did. Therefore, “College is crap fed knowledge that they tell you to regurgitate to halt creativity and prep you further to partake in the system.” seems like something people have told you about college, or you have seen or read about.
@limitedmoon,”I think that their is quite a strong issue against college on this website and I personally don’t understand it.”
-People on this website have quite the strong issue against almost all governed facilities in this world; College, The government, The feds, law enforcement, Political structure, Voting(yes, really), the monetary system, hell almost everything. People on HE seem to like almost nothing provided by the people that run this country.
@yoinkie, of course there is positives and negatives to each. Also, of course its the views iv’e gained from others experience and videos and etc. as I haven’t gone yet. But that’s just the way it is. It is school to prep you to join the system of society there’s NO way around that. You take in information and regurgitate it on tests, that is also a fact. There’s no creative capacity in regurgitating information. Sure, people can actually choose what they want to take more so then high school and people actually WANT to be there but it is still education and I feel being in an education system for 12 years I have more then enough knowledge to make an assumption. I honestly don’t really have a belief about what it is or isn’t I don’t really care about that but what I stated are just facts. College is used to gain jobs for the most part. jobs are what make up society and the economy. This is the system and that being said college is a way to prep you to be a successful part of the system. And yes, there are exceptions to this (some courses are creative, some don’t apply to jobs, etc.) that you could argue but that would get us no where. I’m generalizing here.
@splashartist, well I agree with most of that to certain extents. Thats why people should not go to college just because they feel they need to go, neither should you go not knowing what it is you want to do. Other than that, College is very very useless, and a wonderful place to better prepare yourself for the career of your dreams. I think it comes down to the fact that most people just dont want careers, they want jobs; and to get most jobs you need to go to college for a certain amount of time, and these people feel obligations, hence have so many negative conatations towards College.
For me, its completely different. I went to college knowing that I wanted to do something in business(but wasnt entirely sure which path to take). I signed up for the basic business mgmt program, and in less then a year, through the variety of classes I had to take, learned exactly what it was about business that I loved, and exactly what it was that I wanted to stay clear of. In the second year, I gained extensive knowledge that not only furthur proved that business was right for me, but started to become more narrow and more specific in what I wanted to do.
In the third and fourth year, I networked like a mother fucker, and met people that I previously would have NO contact with(and if I didnt make these contacts, theres no way in hell I would be where I am today). Not only that, but in these 3rd and 4th years, the classes moved away from knowledge based testing more towards group work and team work. And ofcourse, business is all about leadership and working in groups, so this was not only very helpful for me, but also a whole lot of fun.
The same could be said for many careers; doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, accountants, and all sorts of careers, college is a fantastic place to go to get towards a career. Needless to say I loved almost everything about college.
Of course, I agree there are many negatives; for instance, the elective system, where you must take an x amout of credits that have nothing to do with your major, just because. These are a complete waste of time and money.
But there is no way in hell I would ever go as far as saying, “College is crap fed knowledge that they tell you to regurgitate to halt creativity and prep you further to partake in the system.”
And speaking of “the system”; the only people who choose to be part of the system, are part of the system. I love business, and the career I am in, and feel offended when people say I am part of a system. Im not part of any fucking system, I am part of the life path I choose for myself.
@kankles, A college degree is a certificate, NOT a contract. You are not obligated to determine a career path in college. A college degree is a symbol of a higher education, which, no matter what field you end up pursuing, no one can take away from you.
At the very least, a college education simply makes you a more knowledgeable, interesting and enriched person. Figure this: Most of the Jersey Shore cast does not have a college education.
@kankles, I’m in the middle of midterms, so I definitely know where you’re coming from with the all nighter :) (college junior here btw)
College isn’t just the education–it’s a lifestyle. Half of what I learn (maybe more) is just from being here and I’m having a FUCKING BLAST. I go to a large private university in a city with a bunch of other universities, and I’m surrounded by professors who are experts in their field all teaching students who are for the most part all there because they want to learn, not because they have to be there (particularly the upper-level classes), and I can’t count all the random amazing moments I’ve had here, both academic and otherwise.
But yeah–when people criticize college, I’ve noticed that many just speak about the coursework. It’s more than that.
@yoinkie, Sure, maybe my words were a bit harsh but at the same time true. Most people give up on their dreams and pick a career that pays well. When do you ever use calculus in real life? When do you use history knowledge? Alot of it is infact useless knowledge that you regurgitate. And like I said of course there’s exceptions to this but from a lot of people I talked to they felt the same way on degrees or whatever they are taking. On the flip side though, you could take astrology or something really dope that interests you and thats all good and fine there’s definitely pros to school. For me I’m excited to network with people and make connections and form relationships even though I don’t think I will use my degree unless my future plans don’t work out. But it is in fact like I stated prepping for the system. Nothing wrong with being apart of the system we CHOOSE to live here and partake in it no matter how much we complain. Sure it needs an overhaul but I like living in society although I don’t agree with certain things but that’s up to the people, US to change. I don’t know where I’m going with this just ranting I guess. Either way it doesn’t matter to me as I’m going to school regardless.
@kankles, I think that college is one of the best ways to gain exposure to people from all different kinds of backgrounds. It is a lot of times the first place where people are exposed to so many cultures, and it quite often challenges racism and hatred. Education and the pursuit of knowledge is incredibly important to me, and I think that it is something to be sought after vigorously. It is also a huge step towards self-dependence and beginning a life of your own. Then again, many people can find ways to accomplish these things without paying 40,000+ a year.
personally, I go because it’s the only way to get a piece of paper with my name allowing me to do what i passionately want to do for the rest of my life.
@splashartist, Engineers use calculus. Its a tool, like most other maths. Yes, most people can get through life not knowing it, most can even get through life not knowing algebra. Of course there are things that you must learn, yet its not necessarily learning things just to regurgitate it back.
For example, in math class, we’ve been learning about matrices. We’ve spent a few days learning one system of solving it, one that takes a long time and has lots of work, and then after we’ve learned that, the teacher says “Ok, time to learn this new way of solving, where you can do it in 2 easy steps!” Everyone is frustrated, because we went to all this trouble to learn a complicated way of doing it, when there was a much simpler method.
But its all about understanding. We needed the first concepts from the difficult way to fully understand why the easier way was easier.
I think that that is the exact opposite of learning information, just to regurgitate it back. We learned the foundations, and how they connected to the rest of the system, and then we were able to build on it to a higher level. Regurgitating the information would be “Here’s the easy way to solve these. Follow these steps, and you’ll do fine.”
I was talking with my girlfriend about college, she was getting…. annoyed? Frustrated? Aggravated? At the fact that she is almost done her degree (one more semester!) and that people are saying that a bachelors degree is useless nowadays, and that college means nothing.
But that’s not true, college means plenty. I compared it to getting your learners license. Having your learners isn’t necessarily a big deal, sure it means you can drive, but it doesn’t mean that you can drive well, and that people will accept you can drive. But, that doesn’t make it useless. It is a necessary step in getting your full drivers license.
The way to make money in life is find something that you can do, and find people that are willing to pay you to do it. That’s all it is. College is not necessary for that, there are plenty of other ways to get it done. But, going to college means that you get a wonderful piece of paper, that you can show to people that proves “Yes, I can do all this stuff!”
@xyver, sure, like I stated there’s exceptions to this but I mean for the most part. Like the classes I can choose from for my Bachelor of Arts, most of them I know I wouldn’t use in real life scenarios therefor for ME anyways are almost useless facts that I will be memorizing and regurgitating for tests. For me its about the experience and the relationships you can create. University is going to be a big fun experience for me and I will learn more about myself and what I like through it.
And yes like you stated, college is not necessary anymore to make decent money. Its one of the sacred cows that people believe they need to go to school to get rich. This thinking is completely flawed.
I just finished college with a B.A. in psychology and I can say it has been the best thing I’ve done thus far, right beside mushrooms and a few other drugs. I did not go into college for the sake of getting a degree, I went for personal growth. I left high school early because it is a fucking joke. @splashartist pawns off classes as not being of use in real life scenarios. However, every class I have taken has become a part of me and stimulated new growth; our being is the most real life scenario we will ever experience. I used to think history was such a bore when I was in high school, but now I have a fascination to read about it on my own in order to better understand how humans have developed and lived over time. As for the GE classes, I enjoyed almost every one, with the exception of statistics. Even statistics has opened a new facet of knowledge for me though. I will agree that many people do just go through college without gaining much from it besides debt and a certificate. But if you go through college with an honest interest in what you are studying then it is priceless. I do not believe there is such a thing as “useless” knowledge as long as you let it become a part of you instead of brushing it off your shoulders.
@splashartist, But…. Why not just take courses that apply to your passion (Plan A)?
Why do you need a plan B, especially one so extravagent that you need a college education for it? Why not focus on plan A, by taking college courses that relate to your passion?
You may say that your passion doesn’t need a college education, and that may be true, but a college education could still help it. You don’t need a degree to be an artist, but if you take some art classes then you will be a better artist.