I’ve been on this site for a while, and although there’s been discussions that touch base on this topic, my question hasn’t been directly addressed (or so I have not seen yet). Anyways, basically I’m asking what your views on the importance of a college education is.
I’m pretty stoned and on addy so stay with me here…
The reason I’m asking? I’ve been seeing a lot of you pointing to the fact that college is in reality “pointless” per se. I understand where people are coming from by saying that self-learning can be way more useful and that tuition is ridiculous, I just can’t seem to get by how much negativity surrounds the entire idea of college on this site. I myself go to a private liberal arts college (gave the best financial aid) and consider myself decently educated as in terms of what is discussed on this site. Since I’ve been here (I’m currently a 1st semester sophomore), I’ve quite possibly had the best, most transforming experience thus far into my short life. I’ve learned more about myself than I could have ever imagined and have been continually living the most chaotically beautiful dream-like life since being here. Therefore I must make the point that I believe it is very much so up to the student to attain what they are looking for during their college experience. I know I can’t speak for large public universities, but at my school I have had many more good experiences socially and intellectually than bad. But again, I choose to actively question and discuss in class. I choose to put off a paper on a weeknight in order to get into an amazing, chaotic substance filled night with my closest friends. I choose to actively pursue friendships to those that help me grow as a person just as much as I help them. You can’t do the base level of work in life expecting above average results. It’s up to you to pick and choose what bits of information you need and/or want vs what is being fed to you, and going along with that, it’s up to you to ignore what you believe is a pile of shit.
You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
@splashartist, College education and high school education are two completely different entities with completely different positives and negative. Having been to highschool is in no shape or form enough experience to make educated assumption about college the way you did. Therefore, “College is crap fed knowledge that they tell you to regurgitate to halt creativity and prep you further to partake in the system.” seems like something people have told you about college, or you have seen or read about.
@limitedmoon,”I think that their is quite a strong issue against college on this website and I personally don’t understand it.”
-People on this website have quite the strong issue against almost all governed facilities in this world; College, The government, The feds, law enforcement, Political structure, Voting(yes, really), the monetary system, hell almost everything. People on HE seem to like almost nothing provided by the people that run this country.
@splashartist, well I agree with most of that to certain extents. Thats why people should not go to college just because they feel they need to go, neither should you go not knowing what it is you want to do. Other than that, College is very very useless, and a wonderful place to better prepare yourself for the career of your dreams. I think it comes down to the fact that most people just dont want careers, they want jobs; and to get most jobs you need to go to college for a certain amount of time, and these people feel obligations, hence have so many negative conatations towards College.
For me, its completely different. I went to college knowing that I wanted to do something in business(but wasnt entirely sure which path to take). I signed up for the basic business mgmt program, and in less then a year, through the variety of classes I had to take, learned exactly what it was about business that I loved, and exactly what it was that I wanted to stay clear of. In the second year, I gained extensive knowledge that not only furthur proved that business was right for me, but started to become more narrow and more specific in what I wanted to do.
In the third and fourth year, I networked like a mother fucker, and met people that I previously would have NO contact with(and if I didnt make these contacts, theres no way in hell I would be where I am today). Not only that, but in these 3rd and 4th years, the classes moved away from knowledge based testing more towards group work and team work. And ofcourse, business is all about leadership and working in groups, so this was not only very helpful for me, but also a whole lot of fun.
The same could be said for many careers; doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, accountants, and all sorts of careers, college is a fantastic place to go to get towards a career. Needless to say I loved almost everything about college.
Of course, I agree there are many negatives; for instance, the elective system, where you must take an x amout of credits that have nothing to do with your major, just because. These are a complete waste of time and money.
But there is no way in hell I would ever go as far as saying, “College is crap fed knowledge that they tell you to regurgitate to halt creativity and prep you further to partake in the system.”
And speaking of “the system”; the only people who choose to be part of the system, are part of the system. I love business, and the career I am in, and feel offended when people say I am part of a system. Im not part of any fucking system, I am part of the life path I choose for myself.
@kankles, I’m in the middle of midterms, so I definitely know where you’re coming from with the all nighter :) (college junior here btw)
College isn’t just the education–it’s a lifestyle. Half of what I learn (maybe more) is just from being here and I’m having a FUCKING BLAST. I go to a large private university in a city with a bunch of other universities, and I’m surrounded by professors who are experts in their field all teaching students who are for the most part all there because they want to learn, not because they have to be there (particularly the upper-level classes), and I can’t count all the random amazing moments I’ve had here, both academic and otherwise.
But yeah–when people criticize college, I’ve noticed that many just speak about the coursework. It’s more than that.
@kankles, I absolutely agree with your opinion. Although I am studying psychology (totally different path than yours, which is -art) gaining experience is the same principle.
I think that college education largely contributes to growth of our mind and knowledge. Our minds are growing with social and emotional experiences, and our knowledge we get from practice, books, and listening to older people (not laymen – professors, masters in particular sciences) who already been there where we might want to be one day in the future.
My personal example: I am hopping to work with prison population, basically – scientific work. I could never succeed and achieve that goal without a college education. And above all, without a chance of practice in Hospital for prisoners.
And now I am about to have 40 hours in such institution.
And that experience is just priceless if you ask me.
College can be good and with point, if you are going for your dream, and that is just a shortcut.
@kankles, College can be both good and bad things. If you are interested in academia and gaining knowledge, then it is a very good thing. But too many people go to college, because they believe they have to or that they are a better person for having a college education. I know so many people who hate their courses, and essentially learn nothing, they just take notes they’re not, nor have any interest in understanding. They are just going to memorize them and repeat them in their exams.
I believe college can only be productive if, you are geared towards a certain career and you need to go to college to achieve it, or if you are generally interested in just learning. The latter is why I go to college, I have no intentions of using my education to get a specific job. I merely want to learn. My interests are purely academic. I’m in an arts course (Literature/social studies specifically), but many of my class mates have no interest in being there, they are merely counting down the minutes until they are finished. What is the point in that. It is not mandatory, if you’re not interested, why bother?
@kankles The fact that Adderall has become such a necessary drug for many students in college is one reason why I feel college has fallen down the wrong path. It’s a bunch of busy work, and classes that students don’t find interesting, and therefore turn to adderall. Instead of trying to cram hundreds of different classes down our throats I believe that colleges should allow students to be able to immerse themselves deeply into their true interests, and bountiful knowledge will follow. College has become a business, so it has been sold as ‘necessary’ for every high school grad. No offense to communications majors, but I roomed with two of them at a respected school, and that major is a joke. It is definitely, not necessary to take 4 years of college for, unless for maybe the top top students, but still I don’t know. There are many majors that fall into this category in my opinion.
All that being sad, I do have to agree with you that it is possible for students to gain a lot from college, but the system has a large room for improvement.
I think colleague can benefit you in many ways. Think about it.
You will definitely find a job easier, better payed also.
Yes, you could probably learn most or all you learn in colleague on your own, but the degree is an important factor as in life, your economy, job and most important faster and better learning/understanding, if you are active and willing to learn of-course.
Obviously the education system has it’s pros and cons, but saying you can get the exact same education without going to college is ridiculous. And having a diploma is pretty sweet when it comes to getting jobs.
@kankles, I think that college is one of the best ways to gain exposure to people from all different kinds of backgrounds. It is a lot of times the first place where people are exposed to so many cultures, and it quite often challenges racism and hatred. Education and the pursuit of knowledge is incredibly important to me, and I think that it is something to be sought after vigorously. It is also a huge step towards self-dependence and beginning a life of your own. Then again, many people can find ways to accomplish these things without paying 40,000+ a year.
personally, I go because it’s the only way to get a piece of paper with my name allowing me to do what i passionately want to do for the rest of my life.
I think it just depends on what you want in life, what you want to be and what will make you happy. If you want to be something that requires a degree, then absolutely go to college. Rock on!
I am a barista and that is where one of my passions lay. I make enough money to sustain a minimalist life-style, which is what I want. That makes me happy. I have money to save, spend and even travel wherever I want to go. So for me, college is not something the route I want to take.
I think most people need college, but it takes the ultimate optimists to take the road less traveled and still make something beautiful from their lives.
@yoinkie, Don’t make quick judgments. I know this and believe it yet I am still going to attend. Why? Why not? A plan B is always a good idea, a degree looks good on a resume. I already know this about school so I am going to do it but not fully engulf myself in the knowledge they teach. Plus i have investments going right now so I will be a couple hundred thousand dollars richer once i’m out of school anyways. Oh, and Im going to school for 4 years completely free.
I’d like to address the “when will I ever use this in life” crowd. You are missing the point. Unless you have a job that requires that you use calculus, you probably won’t need it, but that’s not why you are taught it. You are taught math because it creates neural networks that help you with higher order thinking. In other words, you are taught it because it is good for you. Now, I don’t know the benefit of classes where all you do is regurgitate memorized facts, but classes that require that you think and do problem solving are essential and good.
College isn’t necessary to get A job, but it certainly is necessary to get CERTAIN jobs, such as engineering, math, science, or software. Also, I wouldn’t be able to have been able to join the kickass research groups I’m in if I didn’t go to college. :)
@splashartist, Engineers use calculus. Its a tool, like most other maths. Yes, most people can get through life not knowing it, most can even get through life not knowing algebra. Of course there are things that you must learn, yet its not necessarily learning things just to regurgitate it back.
For example, in math class, we’ve been learning about matrices. We’ve spent a few days learning one system of solving it, one that takes a long time and has lots of work, and then after we’ve learned that, the teacher says “Ok, time to learn this new way of solving, where you can do it in 2 easy steps!” Everyone is frustrated, because we went to all this trouble to learn a complicated way of doing it, when there was a much simpler method.
But its all about understanding. We needed the first concepts from the difficult way to fully understand why the easier way was easier.
I think that that is the exact opposite of learning information, just to regurgitate it back. We learned the foundations, and how they connected to the rest of the system, and then we were able to build on it to a higher level. Regurgitating the information would be “Here’s the easy way to solve these. Follow these steps, and you’ll do fine.”
I was talking with my girlfriend about college, she was getting…. annoyed? Frustrated? Aggravated? At the fact that she is almost done her degree (one more semester!) and that people are saying that a bachelors degree is useless nowadays, and that college means nothing.
But that’s not true, college means plenty. I compared it to getting your learners license. Having your learners isn’t necessarily a big deal, sure it means you can drive, but it doesn’t mean that you can drive well, and that people will accept you can drive. But, that doesn’t make it useless. It is a necessary step in getting your full drivers license.
The way to make money in life is find something that you can do, and find people that are willing to pay you to do it. That’s all it is. College is not necessary for that, there are plenty of other ways to get it done. But, going to college means that you get a wonderful piece of paper, that you can show to people that proves “Yes, I can do all this stuff!”
I understand your point of view and I want to say that is not college which is pointless, but the education in college. You see… I study “Computer Science”. At my college, which is one of “the best” in our country, our professors teach old technologies that are no more used in the actual IT field. There are also a lot of courses just to be there, that have no real connection with computer science. And the courses that really help me and my future career doesn’t have the emphasis needed. I think this is what most of us call “pointless” college education.
Given these facts, don’t you think that is better to study on my own from the resources available on the internet?
I also believe that it is not fair that I have to study for the exam of a course that I don’t feel like it will help me or doesn’t fit my area of study.
Internet offers liberty in choice of the subject you want to study and liberty in the amount of information you need read about a subject. It’s up to your own will how much you study and how good you want to be.
@splashartist, what quick judgement? Most programs are 4 years, so assuming that you are just beginning your college career is an educated guess. And my question was, how could you assume those things about college having never been. I didnt ask why you are going regardless of believing those things.
@xyver, sure, like I stated there’s exceptions to this but I mean for the most part. Like the classes I can choose from for my Bachelor of Arts, most of them I know I wouldn’t use in real life scenarios therefor for ME anyways are almost useless facts that I will be memorizing and regurgitating for tests. For me its about the experience and the relationships you can create. University is going to be a big fun experience for me and I will learn more about myself and what I like through it.
And yes like you stated, college is not necessary anymore to make decent money. Its one of the sacred cows that people believe they need to go to school to get rich. This thinking is completely flawed.
I have loved my Master’s course, but I didn’t enjoy my undergrad, probably because I didn’t pick the right course for my undergrad.
Nevertheless, I’ve had invaluable learning experiences in college, that really have opened my mind and expanded my knowledge base… HOWEVER, it seems that a college education doesn’t have the same value as it once did. Every Tom, Dick and Harry can get a Masters now, and STILL find it hard to get a job. All this, while paying through the nose (I’m in Sydney, and my cumulative higher education has cost me upwards of $40,000).
College needs to be inexpensive, and more competitive, I think, or it loses value. This loss of value is why I can understand people now saying that a college education is overrated in terms of opportunities for employment.
I think that their is quite a strong issue against college on this website and I personally don’t understand it. Yes you could learn most things of online websites and such but the lecturers and tutors and the structure of courses are designed to be easy to follow and give you a new outlook to things expand your mind. There is already plenty of room to do what you want and how you want to allocate your time. I also think the multiple libraries is extremely resourceful and the level of seriousness found at university. Rather than being surrounded by people who don’t want to be at school you tend to be surrounded by reasonably diligent people and I think that is a + in itself! So far all the people who aren’t going to school aren’t CREATING THEIR OWN PATH YAHADHADHAH but they are simply have a full time job and I can’t really imagine beating ‘this system’
I’ve been self-directing my learning for a couple years now, and along with a strong focus on photography/videography, I’ve kept up with other subjects to stay well-rounded. But this blog post my have some insight on the whole college education thing. He wrote “College Without High School” and “Better than College: How to Build a Successful Life Without a Four-Year Degree”. Super practical ideas, easy to start working on.
These are excerpts from his book.
@yoinkie, ”Don’t base your opinions on those of others.” <- Judgment. Because I have been to school for 12 years before hand. As I have heard college is education as well. School reinforces left brain thinking.
College was the greatest experience iv ever been through. Character building experiences around every corner and you really decide who your going to become. I graduated from Shippensburg U ( go red raiders) as a biologist. Going into school i had no direction at all. Now i love bio, the understanding and study of life is great IMO. Now i just need to find a job which is going to be tough but i only graduated 3 weeks ago. In time it will come.
@xyver, Like I stated, Im using it for a plan B. The bachelor of arts is general and can aim towards many careers. A teacher being one which I wouldn’t mind doing (obviously I would rather do something im passionate about).