I’ve been on this site for a while, and although there’s been discussions that touch base on this topic, my question hasn’t been directly addressed (or so I have not seen yet). Anyways, basically I’m asking what your views on the importance of a college education is.
I’m pretty stoned and on addy so stay with me here…
The reason I’m asking? I’ve been seeing a lot of you pointing to the fact that college is in reality “pointless” per se. I understand where people are coming from by saying that self-learning can be way more useful and that tuition is ridiculous, I just can’t seem to get by how much negativity surrounds the entire idea of college on this site. I myself go to a private liberal arts college (gave the best financial aid) and consider myself decently educated as in terms of what is discussed on this site. Since I’ve been here (I’m currently a 1st semester sophomore), I’ve quite possibly had the best, most transforming experience thus far into my short life. I’ve learned more about myself than I could have ever imagined and have been continually living the most chaotically beautiful dream-like life since being here. Therefore I must make the point that I believe it is very much so up to the student to attain what they are looking for during their college experience. I know I can’t speak for large public universities, but at my school I have had many more good experiences socially and intellectually than bad. But again, I choose to actively question and discuss in class. I choose to put off a paper on a weeknight in order to get into an amazing, chaotic substance filled night with my closest friends. I choose to actively pursue friendships to those that help me grow as a person just as much as I help them. You can’t do the base level of work in life expecting above average results. It’s up to you to pick and choose what bits of information you need and/or want vs what is being fed to you, and going along with that, it’s up to you to ignore what you believe is a pile of shit.
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@kankles, It’s just cynicism. Or people projecting their own inadequacies onto something else to make themselves feel better. They’d rather be doing what you’re doing, which is tearing down the walls of former lives and living the hell out of their time at school when really, anything goes.
As in, WTF did that really just ha–yuuup it’s on youtube.
And yeah, you didn’t have to tell us you’re on adderall haha
@splashartist I mean, to each his own, so it’s totally your decision to whatever the hell you want, but I feel like you might want to go into it with a different attitude. Granted you say it’s your plan B, you should milk everything you can out of the experience. A lot of people don’t get a free college education and would love to have a chance at a higher education.
@infidel I understand totally what you mean by the fact that it seems like anyone can attain a college education at this point and end up with the same degree as you but with much less effort and money. BUT, it would be unfair and technically impossible to create a way that selects those “qualified” for college because everyone is so different in terms of how they learn and how they communicate their knowledge (i.e I know kids that are borderline genius but can’t ace a test for the life of them)
@sonrieprimero that’s an odd connection but I’ll take it haha
@splashartist, how are you able to both gain the knowledge you need to make good investments, and also push yourself creatively at the same time? To me I would think that you either need to eat, sleep, and breathe investments to avoid financial disaster, or eat, sleep, and breathe music/creativity in order to get good enough to break through.
@kankles, Well the college I go to consists of stress filled weeks and “let’s get drunk” weekends. They feed us terrible food. We pay a lot of money for this education that I can get for free online Also, if I really want a job (actually just a higher chance at finding a job) I need to attend Graduate school, meaning, I will take out some student loans, meaing I will be in debt. Also, I may not even find a job! Depending on of course what I go into. But right now, it is leaning towards Sociology. And if I have learned anything from that course, it is that we need change, drastic change from each individual and thus the system itself. I am not going to be changing anything if I and everyone else continues along the path of the debt filled college experience of wasting away your days getting drunk, studying some things that do not interest you from time to time, and eating terrible food for your health.
That’s my spiel.
@kankles, A college degree is a certificate, NOT a contract. You are not obligated to determine a career path in college. A college degree is a symbol of a higher education, which, no matter what field you end up pursuing, no one can take away from you.
At the very least, a college education simply makes you a more knowledgeable, interesting and enriched person. Figure this: Most of the Jersey Shore cast does not have a college education.
@theskafish, Investments work for you once you actually have money invested. You have to obviously work to find an investment that won’t fuck you over. Music you are definitely correct about. I don’t have much of a set plan anymore though. im just going with the flow. Although I still am investing and playing music. I just don’t know where any of it will lead.
@kankles You’re right, college is what you make of it, like everything else in life. I don’t know if I still believe that a college education is important though. I used to, and obviously plenty of corporations and people in them still believe it is, because they require them. But my argument against them is that so many people go to college and then come out on the other side with no increased intelligence from where they started. I go to a large public university and it is incredibly easy to coast through here. I agree with you though, obviously you have to push yourself and actively choose to be better than average but when many people don’t, and they’re awarded the same degree at the end of the road, what makes that degree credible at all?
On the flip side though, I love college and I’m very glad I chose to pursue it. I’ve learned a shit load about myself and life and the world around me, but it’s also sparked my curiosity to continue to learn in whatever career path I choose.
I guess I’m torn, for some college is great, for some it is not. I think in the U.S. at least we need to stop pushing the “you must go to college” agenda on high school students, because many of them could benefit more from not attending and choosing a different path.
@kankles, That’s why I am milking it. I ended up finding a few courses I enjoy to take as well which is nice. And sure, I may sound negative when I speak of school. There’s positives about it though as well which I know I will enjoy like the social atmosphere.
@xyver, I will after if it comes to it! Plan A is to push my music to the next level in some form of profession and to keep on investing until im financially free. Maybe write some books on self growth, teach meditation or something along those lines, there’s so much I’m passionate about that could come to be something life is truly exciting that way. Making wages at a job is my plan b. i want to represent the idea that you can achieve your dreams and change your mind.
@yoinkie, Sure, maybe my words were a bit harsh but at the same time true. Most people give up on their dreams and pick a career that pays well. When do you ever use calculus in real life? When do you use history knowledge? Alot of it is infact useless knowledge that you regurgitate. And like I said of course there’s exceptions to this but from a lot of people I talked to they felt the same way on degrees or whatever they are taking. On the flip side though, you could take astrology or something really dope that interests you and thats all good and fine there’s definitely pros to school. For me I’m excited to network with people and make connections and form relationships even though I don’t think I will use my degree unless my future plans don’t work out. But it is in fact like I stated prepping for the system. Nothing wrong with being apart of the system we CHOOSE to live here and partake in it no matter how much we complain. Sure it needs an overhaul but I like living in society although I don’t agree with certain things but that’s up to the people, US to change. I don’t know where I’m going with this just ranting I guess. Either way it doesn’t matter to me as I’m going to school regardless.
As someone who spent three and a half years out of college before going back, I have to say I am happy I got a college education. After working in factories, restaurants, shops, as a maid and gardener, etc, etc, I was happy to be studying. Some stuff I learned was mindless pap but I learned a lot of very interesting things and was encouraged to speak my mind. I did feel, however, that graduate school was a waste of time. Ihated it and hated my major. Part of it was my fault, but grad school really focuses on such a narrow vision, there is no room for thinking (or in my case wasn’t).
@kankles, I think that college is one of the best ways to gain exposure to people from all different kinds of backgrounds. It is a lot of times the first place where people are exposed to so many cultures, and it quite often challenges racism and hatred. Education and the pursuit of knowledge is incredibly important to me, and I think that it is something to be sought after vigorously. It is also a huge step towards self-dependence and beginning a life of your own. Then again, many people can find ways to accomplish these things without paying 40,000+ a year.
personally, I go because it’s the only way to get a piece of paper with my name allowing me to do what i passionately want to do for the rest of my life.
I think it just depends on what you want in life, what you want to be and what will make you happy. If you want to be something that requires a degree, then absolutely go to college. Rock on!
I am a barista and that is where one of my passions lay. I make enough money to sustain a minimalist life-style, which is what I want. That makes me happy. I have money to save, spend and even travel wherever I want to go. So for me, college is not something the route I want to take.
I think most people need college, but it takes the ultimate optimists to take the road less traveled and still make something beautiful from their lives.
@yoinkie, Don’t make quick judgments. I know this and believe it yet I am still going to attend. Why? Why not? A plan B is always a good idea, a degree looks good on a resume. I already know this about school so I am going to do it but not fully engulf myself in the knowledge they teach. Plus i have investments going right now so I will be a couple hundred thousand dollars richer once i’m out of school anyways. Oh, and Im going to school for 4 years completely free.
I’d like to address the “when will I ever use this in life” crowd. You are missing the point. Unless you have a job that requires that you use calculus, you probably won’t need it, but that’s not why you are taught it. You are taught math because it creates neural networks that help you with higher order thinking. In other words, you are taught it because it is good for you. Now, I don’t know the benefit of classes where all you do is regurgitate memorized facts, but classes that require that you think and do problem solving are essential and good.
College isn’t necessary to get A job, but it certainly is necessary to get CERTAIN jobs, such as engineering, math, science, or software. Also, I wouldn’t be able to have been able to join the kickass research groups I’m in if I didn’t go to college. :)
@splashartist, Engineers use calculus. Its a tool, like most other maths. Yes, most people can get through life not knowing it, most can even get through life not knowing algebra. Of course there are things that you must learn, yet its not necessarily learning things just to regurgitate it back.
For example, in math class, we’ve been learning about matrices. We’ve spent a few days learning one system of solving it, one that takes a long time and has lots of work, and then after we’ve learned that, the teacher says “Ok, time to learn this new way of solving, where you can do it in 2 easy steps!” Everyone is frustrated, because we went to all this trouble to learn a complicated way of doing it, when there was a much simpler method.
But its all about understanding. We needed the first concepts from the difficult way to fully understand why the easier way was easier.
I think that that is the exact opposite of learning information, just to regurgitate it back. We learned the foundations, and how they connected to the rest of the system, and then we were able to build on it to a higher level. Regurgitating the information would be “Here’s the easy way to solve these. Follow these steps, and you’ll do fine.”
I was talking with my girlfriend about college, she was getting…. annoyed? Frustrated? Aggravated? At the fact that she is almost done her degree (one more semester!) and that people are saying that a bachelors degree is useless nowadays, and that college means nothing.
But that’s not true, college means plenty. I compared it to getting your learners license. Having your learners isn’t necessarily a big deal, sure it means you can drive, but it doesn’t mean that you can drive well, and that people will accept you can drive. But, that doesn’t make it useless. It is a necessary step in getting your full drivers license.
The way to make money in life is find something that you can do, and find people that are willing to pay you to do it. That’s all it is. College is not necessary for that, there are plenty of other ways to get it done. But, going to college means that you get a wonderful piece of paper, that you can show to people that proves “Yes, I can do all this stuff!”
I understand your point of view and I want to say that is not college which is pointless, but the education in college. You see… I study “Computer Science”. At my college, which is one of “the best” in our country, our professors teach old technologies that are no more used in the actual IT field. There are also a lot of courses just to be there, that have no real connection with computer science. And the courses that really help me and my future career doesn’t have the emphasis needed. I think this is what most of us call “pointless” college education.
Given these facts, don’t you think that is better to study on my own from the resources available on the internet?
I also believe that it is not fair that I have to study for the exam of a course that I don’t feel like it will help me or doesn’t fit my area of study.
Internet offers liberty in choice of the subject you want to study and liberty in the amount of information you need read about a subject. It’s up to your own will how much you study and how good you want to be.
@splashartist, what quick judgement? Most programs are 4 years, so assuming that you are just beginning your college career is an educated guess. And my question was, how could you assume those things about college having never been. I didnt ask why you are going regardless of believing those things.