contradictory beliefs!!!

2 years, 6 months ago

does anyone know why cognitive dissonance is possible? why is it possible for us to have two contradictory beliefs at the same time? was it an evolutionary mechanism to keep us alive? if anyone has ideas for the origin of cognitive dissonance, lets talk.

August 8, 2012 at 8:13 pm

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

Maybe because we would all be the same but for each our sum of knowledge. “Allah loves wonderous variety” Quote Morgan Freeman from Robin Hood Prince of Theives.

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Profile photo of The_truth_is_ The_truth_is_ (@sirensetmefree) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@freethynker7,

I think cognitive dissonance was developed as a bi-product of something else. Maybe a coping mechanism for our desire to understand things. We need to understand something a certain way to make decisions about said thing. But maybe another thing requires another understanding. Instead of making the connection between the two, I understand them separately. And if the end result is positive, at least from my perspective, when someone questions why I have contradictory beliefs, I’ll say, “NO THEY AREN’T! RAWRAWRAWRAWR STOP QUESTIONING MY INTELLIGENCE!!! GARBLEGARBLEGARBLEGARBLE!” Why? Because, according to me, it works, so it must be right.

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Profile photo of Nightowl Nightowl (@nightowl) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

I feel that they’re an intermediate evolutionary step towards true intelligence as it emerges from the dim dream of animal sub-consciousness.

http://www.highexistence.com/topic/emerge-from-the-chrysalis-of-dualistic-mindsetas-a-metamorphosed-intelligence/

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

Yeah, I have no real idea but what @sirensetmefree,and @nightowl, said kinda makes sense. If you think about humanity before science, we looked at funky stuff happening all around us and no idea why or what it was. But ever tried not having an opinion on something that you have interest in? Lack of opinion, in my books, means a lack of curiousity. We are constantly trying to make sense of things and when we can’t we make something up, put it in the too hard basket, and come back later when we are better equipped to deal with it. Even though it is wrong, and deep down we may even know it is wrong, we cannot sleep on a question.
So that is two advantages, curiousity and determination, that make us capable of finding truth.

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Profile photo of James James (@freethynker7) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@sirensetmefree, okay i was thinking along those lines too. its model based thinking, we fit everything we know about the universe into a model with mechanism’s we think are correct. they don’t have to actually be correct for them to fit what happens in reality. we just crave a reason for things so if we have to we make it up to feel better. i read in a book that the reason we have “purpose” thinking is due to our evolution of tool making.it is intrinsic to think everything was made with purpose because we needed to make tools with a purpose. so i our tool making logic overflows into all of our logic making us ask “why” question instead of how questions. i think the book was called “six impossible things before breakfast”

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Profile photo of James James (@freethynker7) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@nightowl, wow, never heard it laid out like that. ill have to check out that link.

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Profile photo of James James (@freethynker7) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

@trek79, yeah i hear ya. i know evolution has real deep answers for why we are the way we are. im pretty new to this site but its awesome to have a site like this to share. thanks for the reply man.

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Profile photo of Sasho Stoyanov Anonymous (@) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

Ah. Contradictory beliefs and cognitive dissonance. What I’m gonna say next is going to be priceless so get your notebooks out.

Practice feeling uncomfortable.

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Profile photo of Jace Jace (@jacesk8ter123) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

I think cognitive dissonance is a mechanism designed to keep us in check with our own state of mind. I think when we find who we are we really mend that dissonance actually into a tool to maintain who we are. When we are unsure with our beliefs, state of mind, or lifestyle cognitive dissonance can cause depression, anxiety, insomnia. However i believe when we find a purer state of mind, ( which can be accepting how little we know (or anything for that matter)) I think that cognitive dissonance turns into a check or to keep our positive, truth seeking, understanding mindset in balance.

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Profile photo of Jace Jace (@jacesk8ter123) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

when I say that it could help us find who we really are i don’t mean keep us in the same state of mind. Who we really are could be a constantly changing entity.

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Profile photo of Ray Butler Ray Butler M (@trek79) 2 years, 6 months ago ago

Without the possibility of contradictory beliefs there would only be two options, knowing and not knowing. As our curiousity gives us persistence, no doubt people would have obsessed over un-answerable questions all their lives and this would have been counter productive to our very survival. Then there is the alternative that we just know everything and questions would not even exist, but not only does that eliminate curiousity, and all the natural behaviours that grants, but we would lose the one thing that defines us from everything else, conceptual thought.
Without that there would be no imagination or passion, to name two of the many great things about life, and that would leave us incomplete, not only in our potentcy as a species but emotionally and even spiritually. There would be no “persuit of happiness”, wisdom or even the most fundamental, love.

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