Crystal adults

@ Ellie, well yeah probably not, but you can’t tell me you don’t have many preset notions about what flying is, and the possibility of it. Even if we currently believe in something, our subconscious plays a big (if not bigger) role. I think there are limits to this though, like you were saying, however I feel like the limits are ones we impose on ourselves. I’m sure if every single person on the earth believes we could fly, then maybe we could..who knows because everyone will probably never all think the same thing. :)

@ Alexa. I’ve watched this a few times before. :) We are very unaware of our surroundings. I mean we know a lot, but a lot of what we know is assumptions, and just a general idea. For example, aren’t refrigerator magnets supposed to be impossible based on the way we look at science? If light slows when it goes through glass, what speeds it back up after it passes? That is also supposed to be impossible. I’m off topic a bit, but our universe does contain at least what seems to be impossibilities.

I frequent the healthy living section of Huffington Post. :)

First I just wanna touch on a huge misconception that I’m seeing pretty frequently…there is a huge difference between “indigo children” and “super-psychics” the latter are the ones reported to have psychic powers such as telepathy and telekinesis. Whereas, indigo’s seem to fit a picture that is different than what the average kid used to be…they are often diagnosed with add/adhd, they learn differently, are more rebellious, and tend to be very smart despite doing poorly in today’s schools.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buQzRtkAMN8&feature=player_embedded#!

That is the episode that covers super-psychics and indigo children if you watch that you can learn the difference.

Next which is something Jeff touched on I think and goes a long with what Alex was saying about belief. Also, this brings a lot of what I believe is as close to proving some of these seemingly impossible theories.

In quantum physics there is a theory called the wave-duality theorem which was come up with after the findings of an experiment that has been replicated many times called “the double slit experiment.” The theory states that all matter exists as both a wave and a particle. When a particle is observed it acts as a particle, but when it is unobserved it becomes a wave and can go through other matter. Watch the video explaining the experiment.

Also there was a blog post on this topic

http://www.highexistence.com/this-will-mindfuck-you-the-double-slit-experiment/

Other theories such as string theory are beginning to use math to prove all the mysteries of the universe.

*Edit* This is a little off-topic and just my opinion, but I see no point in placing people into categories such as “mystic” or “skeptic”…I think I said this before, but I go into these discussions neither believing or disbelieving anything. At the same time however its a much more fun conversation talking as if what you’re saying is true because it allows you to more freely explore any idea.

@ Ellie, I agree.
@ Michael, Yes yes, the wave-particle duality of things really shakes my brain sometimes. It’s amazing to think about. Now what I’m curious about is if we ‘see’ light as a wave, and other things, what if when we WEREN’T observing, they became particles and tangible things? That would be pretty amazing..If the light behind me right now was solid, and when I turn around, it starts acting like ‘normal light’ again. Our observation really effects the world around us. You can do a little test to. Draw 3 dots next to each other, and then 3 lines of them for a total of 9 dots. If you switch between covering your left eye, and right eye you will notice that the center dot ‘disappears.’ a gap for some reason.

^very good points. All knowledge is based on assumptions anyways, and all ‘truths’ we have come from thinking differently.

@manimal. Personal knowledge is different from real knowledge. There is, you could argue, no real knowledge. Science is our greatest tool for discovering ‘truths’ and its all based on one assumption or another. Even personal knowledge is based on some assumptions that you know are true, but you cannot prove.

Well, based on your arguments you have assumptions as to what reality actually is. You said nothing is personal, then said real knowledge can only be achieved by first-hand experience. That is contradictory.
Regardless of how you come about truths or knowledge it is always based on an assumption of one thing or another. Even if you experienced it, how you perceive it or think about thereafter, is based on assumptions you’ve gathered throughout your lifetime.
If real knowledge does exist, then we can’t even begin to comprehend it, because he have thoughts, and opinions. Even if you experience it, it doesn’t matter because you won’t be able to comprehend. The only way to explain any truth is by assumption.

Wow Manimal that really sounded like a thesis for believe whatever I want and if it doesn’t fit with you then you ain’t high!

That in itself isn’t a high existence. I’m a skeptical bastard and don’t believe in any of this shit but I consider myself a HEathen because I still consider myself a spiritual person as a hardcore buddhist. Myself and Jordan are it seems fundamentally opposed in beliefs but we exchange cordial messages and thoughts none the less.

Being able to coexist and exchange views even vehemently is a high existence sir not having everyone accept any shit anyone wants to trot out. Have your views challenged and relish it.

Buddhist monks have a tradition were heated debate is encouraged in order to facilitate their philosophy and their arguments are famously heated and demanding but they seek a higher existence.

@ manimal, im sorry but I simply do not believe you don’t have assumptions. You ASSUME you are correct in what you are saying, and I am not. That is an assumption. I understand what you are saying, but I feel you are using it in wrong contexts, and in wrong ways. Also, what makes you think you have experienced this? Further, what makes you think I haven’t?
You may consider the topics I bring up and enjoy talking about are ‘useless’ but on the contrary they really benefit myself, and my understanding. In fact, I wouldn’t even have the mindset I have today If 1) I didn’t make assumptions, or 2) didn’t feel out my own thought process, and logic reasoning. I ASSUME you must have done the same. You weren’t just born, and knew all of this did you? You made assumptions somewhere.
Trust me manimal, I am well aware of the ‘dual-reality’ which are the main reasons I posted threads such as “intuition vs rationality” because I believe it comes down to things like that. You are taking a standpoint where you feel intuition is all that matters. I like to feel out both areas, and because I do so does not make me closed minded.
To me, the simple fact that you can come on this site, and present your point to other people shows me that you do in fact A) have an ego, however big or small it might be, B) use your rational brain as well and C) Make assumptions.
You’re stance is that we should just stop trying one way, and use a different. Well, I suggest we use as many ways as we possibly can, because no real ‘truths’ are ever really found by using one thought process or way of thinking.
I’ll state again, the points you make are valid, and I do share a lot of those beliefs, but the way you present it to other people is not achieving a ‘higher existence’ for yourself, and it’s not helping anyone else.

Also, Please define “First hand” please.

:D I was pissed last night I’m now crawling through HE to see just what I was writing…oh dear. This one was a little less nicely worded than normal Peters writing!

@spaceangelmichelle, proof?

@spaceangelmichelle, I share your overall storyline… Not the details just the overall feeling of it.

biggest crock of shit I’ve ever read, concentrated in one thread.

Cheers!

Reading people isn’t some kind of magical ability, its just watching non-verbal communication.

Falling for a “mediums” reference to you as a crystal child is just READING you and then telling you what you’d like to hear, so hopefully you come back ($ in hand).