Debate: Free Will V. Determinism
A topic anyone who mingles here will no doubt have experience with, I ask you to revisit this battleground to hash out your argument for free will, determinism, or the crossbreeds thereof (if you are going to go with one of the lesser known hybrids/independents, please define it for those who are not away of its stance).
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@lytning91, isn’t it the most amazing feeling? Every time it happens I want to grab onto that moment and savour it. I like to know that no matter what I do, I will always do exactly that which I’m meant to do. So free will or no, I’m doing what I like and it’s always the right path.
@alljuicedup, Well, my definition of determinism would be that the future is pre-determined. And with probabilities at play, for everything we know as of now, determinism just doesn’t hold water. There is no conceivable way around Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle.
This doesn’t prove free-will exists, but it allows for a place for it to manifest.
I think the most important thing here to realize is the definition of free-will:
There are three possibilities of an action (Correct me if I’m wrong):
Determined – i.e. 100% of the outcome will always be explained in such a way
Probability – i.e. It is determined to a set number of paths, but the path ‘choice’ is undetermined.
Complete randomness – no explanation needed.
Since any action / reaction has to fall into one of these 3 categories, for free will to exist it must be controlled by one of these situations. Bear with me I’ll try to make it more clear:
For free will to exist, we must assume that our actions are partially governed by physics, but there is the ability for the “soul / mind (what have you)” to interject and change the course of matter / energy in our reality.
Since this interjection, by definition, cannot be determined (because it is free-will) this means that, really, Free-will must be complete randomness, otherwise it would be based off something that could be determined.
So this argument really boils down to;
Does the “soul” or “mind” have some deterministic method of action/reaction
Is it completely random?
If you believe that free will is not randomness, I will argue that you have to believe it must be determined.
I feel like this is probably one of the most important concepts to this debate. What is the definition of free-will? People don’t often ask that question.
what you do now affects the past, not the other way around. Most things in the physical universe are determined, this is why we can predict flight paths for sending out space probes and whatnot. We know the universe will behave a certain way given current conditions, this allows us to make very accurate predictions (science)
however, i think consciousness and free will are immaterial things that are emergent properties of life/matter are are thus not subject to determinism of physical laws