Description of DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) to a non-user.
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Due to a great post by Jordan at http://www.highexistence.com/discussions/topic/my-best-explanation-of-shrooms-lsd-to-a-non-user/ I will take the topic of DMT as well.
What is DMT?
-DMT is a naturally occuring compound in many plants as well as in humans. The function in humans is unknown and debateable but has been thought to control Near-death-experiences, dreams, and other extreme senses. Its chemical structure is similar to Psilocybin and serotonin. It is also reportedly the strongest hallucinogen (not by dose, but by intensity obtainable).
The experience is very quick when DMT is inahled by vaporization, and lasts around 15 minutes. The first sensations are often an overwhelming weakness of the body, and a struggle to stay standing or sitting up, and a need to lie down. Your vision usually will either begin to tremble, or massive amounts of kaleidoscope images will begin to appear, ever increasing in their intensity. The visuals will morph around the 45 second mark into actual hallucinations – images of people, creatures, or structures will appear. The shapes will at first seem abstract, but can become increasingly real. These will last for approximately 6 minutes, followed by a weakening in intensity, and a revelation that you are actually in your room (or wherever you started) and that the trip wasn’t taking place in reality. The visuals will last for a while and usually look like crystals or veins with extravagent colors.
As with psilocybin, any feeling you encounter will be incredibly intense. I often think of DMT as the "awe" drug, because every time I have taken it, I have been awe-struck by beauty and the sheer vastness it creates. Any emotion you feel can be amplified, from sheer terror to utter bliss, and visuals to match.
The difference between psilocybin and DMT is that psilocybin is much slower. It builds and builds and the slight changes that constantly occur in your awareness of reality allow you to truly understand what is happening. DMT on the other hand blasts far beyond psilocybin’s perspectives and in a fraction of the time, often giving the user forgetfulness of the events that took place, or the revelations that s/he had. Often, however, the user is shown (analogy owed to Jordan) the play in which we are all actors, but exactly what is controlling it. DMT, in my experience, often explains what is truly behind human kind, and how we think, why we think, and what exactly reality is. The problem, of course, is the intensity and duration of the trip. It is incredibly hard to comprehend what is shown to you in the very limited amount of time.
Since DMT is so short here are the only precautions you need:
1. Never do DMT when you are anxious, stressed, or depressed. If you get nervous before doing it, ease your mind, you will thank yourself! Many people meditate before taking this substance.
2. Set your mind up for happiness, trust me, its rewarding.
3. Since the duration is so short, a sitter is not always necessary, but make sure that you are not somewhere where you can knock things over, or where if you lay down something may spill, catch fire, or any other dangerous scenario.
Here are some trip reports (Ranging from Euphoria to Terror – its always benefitial to see both sides, right?):
Me- After a 5 minute calming of meditation, I think about love and warmth, and how I would greatly enjoy a trip with such emotions. I inhale and lay down, a slight warming in my stomach materializes. Suddenly I am rained down on by hearts and pink and purple rays. I am cuddled, and held in the bosom of life, like a baby and his mother. I cannot hold back laughter of sheer joy. A tunnel appears in front of me, and oddly a marijuana bud appears (I don’t smoke marijuana often). I have no idea why it appears, but it is incredibly benign.
Me – After discussing with a friend, he decides he would like to do it with me, if I do it first. After an appreciation for the substance (mentally preparing myself) I inhale. I lay down, and suddenly everything becomes alive. All things have veins and arteries, pumping neon light everywhere. I am connected to all things by these vessicles of life. I am catapulted into the thought of how society influences all of us. I stare at all the materials in his apartment and my clothes and start laughing at how silly all these purchases are. I stand up, still very intoxicated, and begin pacing the room, laughing histarically at how stupid we all are! I couldn’t believe I had ever bought name brand clothing, or some stylish sheets for my bed, or any trinkets to put in my house. All of my influences seem so ridiculous. I slowly come down, and the real revelations disappear. I feel very confident in myself.
A friend – Takes an inhale in his room. His dog appears through the door, and says to him "I know you’ve taken DMT. I’ve alerted the police." My friend responds "You’re my best bud and you’re doing this to me? Why?" but his words come out as garbbled noise, and he realizes he can’t talk because he is so high. Two policemen come inside and ask him to slowly get off the bed when he is sober so they can arrest him. He nods his head and attempts to ride out the high, waiting for his arrest. As the high wears off, he realizes he is actually face down in his pillow. He tosses himself upwards and sees nobody in his room, his dog in the far end of the house.
A friend – An inhale while sitting on a porch outside. He is launched into interstellar space. Floating, unaware of anything. A man who looks much like mythical zeus, and the size of trillions of galaxies in length approaches him. He grabs his face, rips it off and stretches it to the end of the universe. The diety winds up and starts to throw the face back onto my friends head but right before my friend’s face is to be reunited with his body, the god explains: "Never come back here", an astronomical clapping sound occurs and my friend is dumped back into reality, sober as a clam, sitting on the porch.
The more I read about these experiences, the more I feel like weed, shrooms, dmt, meditation, etc. all do the same thing to varying catalyzing degrees. They seem to bring consciousness into our experience, even if it’s just for a fleeting time. Most of the time though, it seems that some of that consciousness remains with you. I think the reason many people don’t remember their experiences and realizations while taking dmt is because they became too conscious of reality for their mind to properly comprehend what was going on.
Describing DMT to someone who has never tried it is like describing a kaleidoscope to a blind man… you cant do it. No matter how well you prepare yourself for the trip, your expectations will be blown away. NOTE: There is a HUGE difference between taking a couple puffs… and having a 15 minute break through where 50mg is inhaled between 4-7 tokes. Having a full breakthrough is like loading a gun with a dream bullet, putting it to your dome, and blowing your head off into elf spice hyperspace. Most of the time your body will initially go limp, and will feel as if you have fainted or “died”… this is normal and where I have seen first timers freak out (such as my first time) all I can say is you have to prepare yourself to let go at this point, do not try to control it. Lights do effect the trip, some people like this I personally wear a sleeping mask.. Audio perception is distorted for the first few minutes as well, I like to put a soothing song on my beats though for the come down. My suggestion would be to do it with someone who has experienced it. Have fun!
@ijesuschrist, I’ve heard that DMT can be tied to schizophrenia, because patients have increased levels of dmt excreted in their urine. Do you think the dissociate effects of the trip can trigger/add to a person’s schizophrenia? And if so, could ‘contacting alien entities’ be nothing more than 1 part of your brain being dissociated so much that it perceives the other(s) as separate beings?
I really like how @snaysler described exploring “different caverns and pockets of neuronal data in my mind”. What’s the difference between what they experienced as a holographic mind-scape versus an entity infested hyperspace? I propose there isn’t, and that overdosing past a certain point makes the trip TOO foreign and impossible to integrate, ultimately a waste although enjoyable.
I think you have to get in that oreo of not too much, not too little; pushing yourself without destroying your Self.
@zowie, It was the most comfortable and welcoming feeling; I could not resist surrendering myself. I couldn’t explain it to anyone that hasn’t experienced it, but it was a very messianic experience. Like other near-death descriptions, I saw/felt/realized all of the choices in my life that led to my current moment. Like my life flashing before my eyes, though it wasn’t necessarily chronological–it was all at once; one giant feeling of awareness and presence, a punctuation on my existence.
I didn’t want to leave that “whole” feeling, and being interrupted in that trip was the most irritating thing I’ve experienced. Other people’s accounts of physically dying and being revived describe similar disgust for being brought back into their body. I expected to be, and was a little relieved that I didn’t actually die–but that trip confirmed so many spiritual things for me. Death is most definitely not The End.
So, yesterday I had my first experience with DMT and it is really something amazing.
It is so difficult to explain what you feel and what you see but I will give it a try by explaining my whole experience.
The trips (I did it two times):
- So we made a couple of short joints, starting with only tabacco, going to a part with tabacco and the DMT to another short end part with only tabacco. First one of my friends who did it before took one joint himself to try it out, since this was bought from another person than last time. The first thing I noticed is the immense smell of it. At the one hand it smells disgusting, but on the other hand not at all, kind of weird. My friend was in a quite short trip in my idea, and he told us that he experienced it less strong than the first time he did it, so I was a little bit disappointed, but nevertheless the rest of us did it as well (5 in total, I think it might be better to do it with less people). First of all we meditated a little bit, but since not everybody was familiar with meditation this was difficult as well, and second of all we had relaxing music on. Anyway, I sat down on the bed in preparation to smoke the joint. I was a little bit ‘anxious’ of what to expect, but on the other hand excited and calm as well. The first inhalation tasted like a cigarette, but slightly different already. With the second and third inhale I already tasted the DMT and it felt like some sort of smoke ‘bomb’ was planted inside my body every time I inhaled the DMT. It felt like it was spreading all over my body. I was told that I should keep the smoke of DMT inside my body for a while and not exhale it immediately like you would normally do, so this is what I did. With every inhalation it became harder and harder to continue smoking and at one point everything became so unreal, so I closed my eyes and laid down on the bed.
What I started to see was unbelievable. First of all, the immense amount of shapes and colors and second of all the ‘shadows’ that appeared. I had the feeling that I was being sucked in slowly in some kind of tunnel and that those dark shapes wanted to take me with them. It was amazing and I wanted to come with them so badly, to go to the end of that tunnel and see what was there, but it seemed that I could not go behind a certain point. They were communicating to me in an unexplainable way, because it is not based on sound, but more as in some kind of feeling. I knew what they wanted, and I wanted it too! Unfortunately the trip did not last long enough and it slowly began to fade away, and once I was out, I wanted to go another time, to see the end of the tunnel, make the trip in a better way.
I thought that maybe I did not do it in a right way, because I inhaled and exhaled, while I thought that maybe I should inhale, wait, inhale more, wait, inhale more wait, until you come to a point that you have to cough everything out because your longs are filled with so much smoke already, so I decided that the second time I will try to do that.
After 2/2,5 hours we did another trip, with less people now and different music.
So I decided to stick to my plan with the inhalation. I knew that the DMT was going to be earlier in the joint already so I had only 1 inhalation of tabacco before the DMT would be there already.
So I tried to smoke it in the way I described above: inhale, wait, inhale more, wait, inhale more etc. and it was extremel difficult. With every new inhalation I wanted to exhale and had to use my willpower to keep the smoke inside me.
Again I came to the point where everything started to change and I knew I was being sucked into it, but I took one more inhalation before I closed my eyes and laid down again.
There I was, back again in my trip, hoping to take a journey into the tunnel again. BUT: my trip was totally different now. No tunnel, no shadows, apart from one appearing at the beginning of my trip but quickly fading away.
Now the experience was different, I saw shapes and colors again, but it was like they were the music that was being played. It was like I was seeing the music in some kind of weird way. I did not see any shadows anymore, only the shapes and colors. This trip felt so different from the first one and it felt like I was in another dimension again. I have more troubles explaining what I saw the second time, because it was so strange and I just do not have words to describe it.
In the end it was the most amazing experience I have ever been through and it is really not explainable what you feel/see. You cannot compare it to anything else we are familiar with in ‘our world’ as we know it.
I definitely want to try it again, especially because my friend said that he had it more intense the first time he did it and I do now know what the reasons can be.
I think we had around 40/45 mg in one joint, while normally it should be around 35, so it cannot be due to the amount I think.
Is it possible that there are different kind of strengths of DMT? The way it is prepared maybe? Or maybe because we were with too much people? Or we did not meditate well enough? Or maybe the way I inhaled was not good? Should I inhale stronger and less inhalations for example? @IJesusChrist, do you know some explanations? Although I do found my trip very intense and amazing, especially the first time I had the feeling that I was not experiencing it for the 100%. I cannot explain why because I have no comparison material, but I just feel like there is more, like I could go inside that tunnel and see more than I saw already. It is just a feeling, I cannot explain it.
So, what is my status right now? Calm… The moment I got out of the trip I felt calm. Some kind of calmness and peace. It is like the stressful thoughts that are coming into my head do no matter so much as they would do normally.
I do not know if this is a temporary effect, or that it will last for longer, but I really do it is not temporary and that my vision/feeling/perception of reality, or at least the reality we are in in our daily life, because my DMT experience felt more like reality than the reality in my daily life does. It was just far too short, I had the idea that it was only 1 minut or less, while it lasted 10 minuts. Such an amazing experience, I still cannot understand everything that I saw, because I was so amazed at that moment. Also my hands became HOT as hell and my whole body just became conscious. Like meditation should be.
So, my first time experience of DMT: I definitely recommend it to everybody.
Yes, it seems ayahuasca is much more personal, but not in the sense you are completely in another world, because you are, but the other world is in a sense still you (impregnated with angels/demons/mother earth etc).
You are what you experience right now, this includes both sides of the superficial distinction between subject/object or inner/outer. Once you forget this, it can become scary (demons, out there, are going to get me, in here).
So if you experience the other world on DMT, that is you right there. Same goes for ayahuasca. But in the latter, it seems to be there is still some resonance with your own personal history/future.
@samwise, “It’s weird because you come down from that state, the universe folds back in on itself to conform to sober serotonin mode, and you lose that ability to see or describe or bring back much of what was experienced. But I remember feeling…”
I have a theory of what DMT does, it has to do with insights from dreams.
I believe that dreams come from left over feelings in the day, usually. Stress and happiness are carried over into the dream land. Your brain first FEELS these feelings, and then matches a story (the dream) TO THEM. Rather than the other way around – where we see and do, and then feel.
I think DMT acts the same way. The molecule acts on our most profound feelings, the most extreme highs and lows that serotonin alone can only tickle, and then, the rest of the brain interprets whats going on.
Its just a thought thats been in my head for some time.
Cody – yea. Phones become funny. All that technology becomes bullshit. You just want to go ride your bike or walk to a friends house and tell them to get rid of their phones. quit your job, lets just hang out and eat peaches n watermelon all day under the nice blue sky. Trees are pretty aren’t they? (If you’ve been there).
About the 8 hour tripping. Could it be your friend had taken an MAOi? I doubt he is on any anti-depressants, and I doubt he drank some harmala extract, but by taking an MAOi, DMT becomes “ayahuasca”-like, that is the duration becomes 4-8 hours.
Ebon – you realize what its like to be anything, really. Empathy becomes so beyond amplified, you feel the weight, and life, of the world at times.
Nick – BAD headspace. What an awful feeling.
@versai, The whole reason I do DMT is to be completely destroyed and dissociated – to leave this realm completely.
I don’t have the answers. I don’t think DMT can cause schizophrenia, I think perhaps extreme situations and extreme psychological stress can cause a person to go down that tunnel. I have mixed feelings and ideas about schizophrenia, seeing its onset (maybe) and getting away scott-free (maybe) as well as having one of my closest friends succumb to it (watched him week by week). He had heavy drug use before his “onset” (which wasn’t like one epic episode), but had no one to talk to – or rather – didn’t want to talk to anyone.
“What’s the difference between what they experienced as a holographic mind-scape versus an entity infested hyperspace? I propose there isn’t, and that overdosing past a certain point makes the trip TOO foreign and impossible to integrate, ultimately a waste although enjoyable.”
I find them completely different. I’ve been to both, they are totally different. Too foreign and impossible to integrate… I think its subjective. I think they can be as much a waste of time or as influential and crucial to understanding the big picture as you want to make them.
All of my trips showed me an incredible amount. Only about 20% I remember – but the feeling remains. I know what happened, but its like… my brain doesn’t have the neural vocabulary to describe it, so slowly it becomes “meh … crazy trip”.
But how do I know? Maybe its nothing. Maybe we die and rot in the ground and DMT is just a fun crazy play on our brain.
Maybe after we die DMT is a key element to see that. Maybe the afterlife is some kind of radical perseption skewing insanity.
Maybe its somewhere in between.
I don’t have the answers I don’t think anyone does… Its a crazy drug. Do what you want with it. I feel like everyone should have the experience though… let them interpret it, but in a communal setting :)
I live in the los angeles area and have wanted to experiment with DMT since read DMT the spirit molecule. I have experience with psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin. If anyone in this area is able to get or make DMT it would be appreciated.
Could it reduce suffering in your life and give you more freedom?
This isn’t a mathematical problem – there is no deducing whether DMT should be done or not done. If you feel the need to do it, go for it. If you’d rather not, then don’t. It is a very subjective experience, and as such is very influenced by how you perceive it.
Just go with the flow.
“DMT is what makes you dream at night”
Nobody knows this for a fact.
I’ve done it multiple times. I am getting to the point of refraining from explaining it because it is so indescribable and it brings up so many paradoxes, so many things that are hard to understand, or even imagine.
A factor that is very interesting to me though – is that i makes my anxiety (all anxiety) go away. Instead of feeling a nasty gut-wrench in my stomach I feel more of a warm pain-killer. Its odd.
Would I recommend it? I Don’t know. I do not want to bias the experience. It is the most intense thing you’ll ever do, though – if you do it right. That isn’t biased, that is a fact.
To break through you need your dose quickly in a hit or two. A joint won’t get you there, sandwich your spice between some weed in a bong. It’s better to vaporize though and for $10 you can go to your local hardware store and pick up the pieces to make your own vape-chamber bong attachment. It’s super simple to screw together and use, and you’ve got a fool-proof way to efficiently smoke the dmt(or anything else).
Check the link for details on the hardware pieces.
Definitely. I feel those wanting to experiment with dmt and get their full satisfaction from it should be cautious. Almost immediately it will challenge what you thought you knew about dmt reality, life, religion; but it can also make you challenge your own existence and sanity. I believed once that I was dying and the trip would not stop for another 10-15 minutes. This convinced me that I indeed was dead and had just been ejected into the afterlife. When I came down it was relieving to be back in my body, but also terrifying that I had just convinced myself to let go completely.
With that said it’s an immense tool for introspection and learning. I wouldn’t be the same person today without it. Try not to judge what you see. There is no good or bad, if you react in astonishment you will miss the mega process going on around you, or reactions in fear will block off the rest of the trip. Just be.
I dove through the wormhole this afternoon for the first time. This is what I experienced.
I took one huge toke followed by one more smaller one of the plastic tasting smoke. This was about 10 minutes after a failed attempt. I soon felt this all encompassing warming feeling immediately followed by visual distortion. I then closed my eyes.
Intensely detailed structures were “warping” and “flowing” around me everywhere. I couldn’t have gotten scared if I wanted to. There was a very peaceful and loving energy about it. Soon after these patterns started I became aware of a presence. It was a female energy/spirit/form/whatever.
I don’t hear many people reporting about hearing much, but I’m a very musical person and particularly in tune with sound. The female energy was speaking, in English, to me. She kept saying “take my hand, I want to take you further.” Well I didn’t have hands in this space but I submitted to her voice and took her hand with my minds eye.
Every time I would take her hand I would see different patterns and fractals. This continued for a few more minutes and then multiple voices said “Don’t worry, we’ll let you down easy.” They repeated that until I accepted that I would be ok.
I started to feel like I was missing out on something and didn’t go far enough. Then the female energy came back and said “It’s okay, you will be back here again. I want you to feel my love before you go” She opened her arms and took me in with love, embracing me fully, then sent me back to my body very easily like the other voices promised. I felt euphoric and at complete peace as I came down.
It was an immensely positive state of mind. The best part about that is “she” said I will return to that mind space. It would be truly amazing to return to that space.
@ijesuschrist, Thanks for the input. You could be correct, but I know that I smoked about 70mg or so of the yellow powder, which with average impurities I would imagine is still enough to at least almost break through. Don’t worry, I will definitely try again with higher dosage, I’m just short on cash for the next week or so. Although it’s worth noting that of the dozens of psychedelics I’ve tried (weed, shrooms, lsd, mdma, 2c-e, 25i-NBOMe, salvia, dmt, etc), I’ve always required a very large dosage to become as “impaired” as my friends, and I’ve never actually had a visual hallucination, it’s all feelings and thoughts that change for me. (with the exception of dream-like images on my last DMT experience) And LSD doesn’t work for me. I’ve tried it three times, each time with an additional dose, and while my friends blast off, I remain completely sober, aside from a mild inability to focus on certain complicated tasks, which generally lasts for a day or so.
I would definitely love to visit hyperspace in the way I’ve heard it described, though :D
How much does it take you to get there?
I’m no newcomer to psychedelics or DMT…the latter I have ingested in the form of ayahuasca, both in Peru and here in the UK, I’ve taken my own pharma concoctions, and I have smoked it on numerous occasions. However my first and only DMT breakthrough experience definitely ranks as one of the most amazing things to have happened to me.
I had a new and particularly clean looking batch of spice, and having switched to caapi changa as my spice smoke of choice, I thought I would smoke some freebase spice with my glass pipe, it being a long time since I’d done so. In the course of the evening I’d had maybe two beers and a few spliffs, it being the weekend (wouldn’t usually mix alcohol and spice) and prior to smoking I had taken two 100mg 5-HTP capsules. I thought I should give some background as I think there may have been some interaction going on. I thought the 5-HTP may produce an interesting synergy, at night it being converted into melatonin.
So…new batch of spice, same glass pipe as used previously, smoking technique more or less the same…but a very different result. For around ten minutes before hand I did some mindfulness breathing to relax me and still my mind before taking the plunge. I thought the dose I used as around 50mg (eyeballed..) but I’m thinking it was maybe a bit more than this (later measurements with a scale [recommended!] put the amount nearer to 100mg.
I took the pipe, and used a candle to heat the pipe and get the vapours flowing, then I took a good lungful…I felt a shift very quickly…I set the pipe down…and then BAM! I hear this very audible crack in my head as I was torn away from this reality, and the change in consciousnesses was so extreme and so sudden the logical part of my mind thought I could only have killed myself! I seemed to ‘come to’ to find some very powerful alien force trying to wrest control of my mind or consciousness. There was not even a millisecond here to contemplate having another hit from the pipe! I’ve never been hit by this speed or intensity by DMT ever before. I usually would preserve but this hit me like an electric psychedelic tsunami. Of my time alive on Earth, the pure, exquisite, primal terror experienced in those few minutes were well and truly beyond anything I have ever experienced before…I have had the DMT terrors once before, smoking around 100mg while on pharma…but this eclipsed that particular incident. The experience felt incredibly electric, I was enveloped by a fierce and awesome energy…the experience was the most intense, magical, alien, bizarre, terrifying, deep, profound and beautiful of my life. It was truly ineffable…words don’t mean much there, they really lack the power to describe such experiences. Interspersed with very powerful DMT imagery, I experienced full blown and very detailed visions of my life…like my life flashing before my eyes. These happened at a crazy break neck speed, I would be shown this interdimensional montage or flipbook incredibly rapidly and then I would be teleported between these different highly detailed memories and places in my mind…but I was there reliving them. Reality was completely replaced by ultra realistic other places, it was like time travel or teleportation, or some ultra advanced alien technology as opposed to a drug experience! What I experienced felt IMPOSSIBLE in a way I simply can’t describe in words. During the experience, the feeling of love for people in my life, family and friends, was like a grounding lantern or beacon. I had quite noticeable tremors on re-entry. I’ve never had a drug experience as vivid as this, and I never remember experiencing such vivid and detailed visions on DMT ever before. Usually it is a very alien but beautiful experience for me…this was both very alien and other worldly while also very personal as well.
This experience was very special to me. NO previous dabbling with psychedelics…DMT included…could have prepared me for the depth or power of this experience, it was far beyond anything experienced previously. I didn’t encounter any entities as such…I haven’t yet via DMT…but I really feel I got a glimpse of or connected to something very deep and very powerful. I feel really very grateful for the experience, despite it scaring the hell out of me at the same time!
It is funny as prior to the experience I had been thinking that maybe DMT was a tad overrated in some ways…I knew it was unique and very powerful stuff…but I thought maybe, just maybe…it was a tad over-hyped!! Well I don’t think that any more. It’s weird because you come down from that state, the universe folds back in on itself to conform to sober serotonin mode, and you lose that ability to see or describe or bring back much of what was experienced. But I remember feeling…while in that state…I was experiencing something deeply powerful and mysterious, to put it lightly. Like witnessing actual supernatural magic, and I’m not speaking metaphorically. And I like to think I’m a pretty rational and sceptical guy, but this blew my mind in a way it has never ever been blown before. And hey, even if it is nothing more than highly elaborate and spectacular brain fireworks, then that alone is still amazing!!
I can also see the advantage of smoked, pure freebase DMT over other methods of ingestion, including changa (and I love my changa) on occasion…the sheer, raw power of it is crystal clear and straight to the point.
@Martijn Schirp, I will try to get something! Cannot promise anything though.
But from what I heard with Ayahuasca is that, although it is less intense, you are more in contact with yourself and therefore you can process certain experiences better?
With DMT I had the feeling that I was in another world, where really nothing counts, only the ‘being’, at least with my eyes closed.
About the book: I have yet 3 books to read. I should make a challenge out of it because I am so bad at reading books.
With 25i-NBOMe, me and my friend each took two tabs which each contained 1000ug of the stuff. We both tripped, but he reported distortions and undulations and colors and such, while I felt nothing of the sort. Everything felt different: my thoughts, the way I perceive music, etc, all the usual expectations save for visual effects.
I smoked a very large bowl of 35x Salvia Divinorum standardized extract from arenaethnobotanicals.com, and while my friends had very intense visual and perceptual experiences, I felt quite clear, and levelheaded despite a strange effect…
To quote what was actually my first post ever:
“My Salvia experience is rather unusual, and it has the same effect every time. The first time I smoked it, I simply broke out into incessant, uncontrollable maniacal laughter for a solid five minutes. I didn’t know what I was laughing at, but apparently it was funny. Even though I was laughing, I didn’t enjoy the experience, because there was nothing to be laughing about, and I wanted to stop, but I had no control of myself. It felt like someone else had control of my body. The second time a couple weeks later, the moment it kicked in, I said with an evil grin, “I’m back!”. But I didn’t choose to say that, and I don’t know why I did, then for the rest of the trip I was just feeling giddy in an evil way while being captivated by how painful it felt to touch this fabric on the pillow next to me, for whatever reason. The third and final time I smoked it was a year later, and I was with a new friend of mine, who was sort of my best friend, and we were in the woods at the top of a hill in a clearing surrounded by birch trees. The second I came up, my friend asked me how I felt, and I said something along the lines of, “I…I don’t know…I…uhh…It’s just…I…somethings not right, somethings not right!”. And he was like, “Tayler? You alright, dude?”. And I said, “Tayler’s not here anymore”, with an evil smirk. And again I found myself going along for the ride in a body and mouth that were no longer under my control.
Obviously my salvia experience is very unusual. Perhaps I have multiple personality disorder which is triggered by Salvia? Never had a single change in my field of vision, or ability to hear. And I was smoking 35x extract from the most well known vendor on the web. Just felt like I let someone else taking over, and they were sinister. Really, really scary, so I haven’t smoked it since, and plan never to do so again.”
Trust me, I know how to properly dose all drugs. I do my research. I just react in a very different way to psychedelics. It is weird though, because weed affects me rather strongly, and obviously alcohol gets me too. But other than that, I’m a super hard-head to drugs. I’m always the one that makes sure people don’t do stupid or dangerous stuff while I trip with friends, because I’m the only one who is coherent. However, I forgot to mention (I just remembered) that once when tripping on 33mg of 2c-e I had visuals. The 3D perspective was very exaggerated, and the symbols on the carpet seemed to float above floor level a tad bit. But that was at the peak and was very brief, and then the visuals were gone.
I’ve never seen colors, patterns, fractals, whatever this kaleidoscopic visual thing is that everyone talks about, or anything like that, but I want to very much. Do you have any suggestions of drugs that could help me achieve visuals?