@zowie, It was the most comfortable and welcoming feeling; I could not resist surrendering myself. I couldn’t explain it to anyone that hasn’t experienced it, but it was a very messianic experience. Like other near-death descriptions, I saw/felt/realized all of the choices in my life that led to my current moment. Like my life flashing before my eyes, though it wasn’t necessarily chronological–it was all at once; one giant feeling of awareness and presence, a punctuation on my existence.
I didn’t want to leave that “whole” feeling, and being interrupted in that trip was the most irritating thing I’ve experienced. Other people’s accounts of physically dying and being revived describe similar disgust for being brought back into their body. I expected to be, and was a little relieved that I didn’t actually die–but that trip confirmed so many spiritual things for me. Death is most definitely not The End.
I really need to try nn-dmt. only experienced 5-meo-dmt. difference is the 5-meo is from the toad, nn from the root bark or however you extract it. they say nn is glory, 5-meo power. my first 5-meo trip overwhelmed me with a sense of power, not a power i could manipulate, but just overloaded my cells with vibrations and had kaleidoscopic visions but no entities. then after i was “broken through”, i simply laid there for at least 15-20 minutes not really thinking of anything in particular. just…”being”…. i was laying in my backyard, face up, staring at the stars. best way to do it honestly. you can really get an idea of this universe when looking up into it on dmt. you lose the need to understand because you realize you are the universe, we are subjective, and our feeling manipulate us.
peace, love, happiness, love.
Yay! I love that I try DMT for the first time, and suddenly all this DMT talk starts coming up. I have to say I love DMT. After everything I’ve read, I was scared that it would be too intense and scary, but I guess I’m just not easy to freak out, because it was great. The first time I didn’t have very strong effects, so I will omit the details. A week later, I doubled up and took a few hits of the stuff layered in the ganj. I was sitting cross-legged against a tree next to my best friend who was also hitting the DMT with me. I don’t know what was happening to him, because he was quiet as a church mouse during the whole experience. But, for me it was like that sudden change, maybe a rush started creeping up fast. It’s a very natural feeling, so I welcomed it warmly. Then I realized it would be comfortable to close my eyes. I will now try to explain the experience as follows:
It felt as though I went inside my own mind in a trance/sleep-related state, and wandered through all the ideas and imagery I had within the different caverns and pockets of neuronal data in my mind, and manifested them visually, allowing me to explore their detail. The whole experience was a deep relaxation, because I chose not to freak out. Yes, you are very altered, but DMT is not inherently crazy intense, it’s just your excited/scared feelings that make it so. I meditated for what felt like an hour in only 10-15 min time. The whole thing felt very much like experiences I’ve had in lucid dreams and out-of-body experiences, and sleep paralysis “experiences”. Also I had some perspective shifts/feelings which were so abstract that I don’t think I can integrate them in sobriety in any effort to explain them. The only other time I had this was in a strange sleep paralysis experience. It’s really a very interesting drug. I might call it the philosopher’s drug.
@snaysler, haha, you didn’t smoke enough. A small DMT inhale will be very relaxing. You’ll just want to lie down and think, barely talk. Maybe a few sounds escape… feel like a kid in a sandbox. Playing with the ground. Its very easy going.
A true dmt experience you get catapulted to another dimension, meeting new beings, talking to God’s – warping through existence. Your physical body isn’t there anymore, you are simply thoughts…
Good luck next time.
@ijesuschrist, Thanks for the input. You could be correct, but I know that I smoked about 70mg or so of the yellow powder, which with average impurities I would imagine is still enough to at least almost break through. Don’t worry, I will definitely try again with higher dosage, I’m just short on cash for the next week or so. Although it’s worth noting that of the dozens of psychedelics I’ve tried (weed, shrooms, lsd, mdma, 2c-e, 25i-NBOMe, salvia, dmt, etc), I’ve always required a very large dosage to become as “impaired” as my friends, and I’ve never actually had a visual hallucination, it’s all feelings and thoughts that change for me. (with the exception of dream-like images on my last DMT experience) And LSD doesn’t work for me. I’ve tried it three times, each time with an additional dose, and while my friends blast off, I remain completely sober, aside from a mild inability to focus on certain complicated tasks, which generally lasts for a day or so.
I would definitely love to visit hyperspace in the way I’ve heard it described, though :D
How much does it take you to get there?
@snaysler, you took 25-inbome and didn’t have any hallucinatory impairments? Were you aware the amount you took? Where did you even get that from lol.
Salvia and DMT require intense lungs to ‘break through’ people don’t realize how much they need to inhale to really get there. I have iron lungs, as my dad and his dad did. I’ve never seen anyone that has been able to have a lung capacity like me (volume, not the ability to hold my breath).
You need to inhale until it hurts, and then keep inhaling. You are using a pipe, right? A glass pipe, they are called oil burners? These are a must.
I don’t weigh what I smoke. I put all I have in the pipe, light it up and inhale as much as I can before my body falls apart or there isn’t any left. . . Sometimes this can be upwards of 200mg in there.
The entire pipe becomes completely opaque from smoke…
With Salvia you should get a strong extract, but over 40x isn’t worth it. Then you also need to inhale like a mother. I inhaled until my lungs hurt, blew out, felt like I was in a race car and took another large hit and vwoop… reality is gone.
With 25i-NBOMe, me and my friend each took two tabs which each contained 1000ug of the stuff. We both tripped, but he reported distortions and undulations and colors and such, while I felt nothing of the sort. Everything felt different: my thoughts, the way I perceive music, etc, all the usual expectations save for visual effects.
I smoked a very large bowl of 35x Salvia Divinorum standardized extract from arenaethnobotanicals.com, and while my friends had very intense visual and perceptual experiences, I felt quite clear, and levelheaded despite a strange effect…
To quote what was actually my first post ever:
“My Salvia experience is rather unusual, and it has the same effect every time. The first time I smoked it, I simply broke out into incessant, uncontrollable maniacal laughter for a solid five minutes. I didn’t know what I was laughing at, but apparently it was funny. Even though I was laughing, I didn’t enjoy the experience, because there was nothing to be laughing about, and I wanted to stop, but I had no control of myself. It felt like someone else had control of my body. The second time a couple weeks later, the moment it kicked in, I said with an evil grin, “I’m back!”. But I didn’t choose to say that, and I don’t know why I did, then for the rest of the trip I was just feeling giddy in an evil way while being captivated by how painful it felt to touch this fabric on the pillow next to me, for whatever reason. The third and final time I smoked it was a year later, and I was with a new friend of mine, who was sort of my best friend, and we were in the woods at the top of a hill in a clearing surrounded by birch trees. The second I came up, my friend asked me how I felt, and I said something along the lines of, “I…I don’t know…I…uhh…It’s just…I…somethings not right, somethings not right!”. And he was like, “Tayler? You alright, dude?”. And I said, “Tayler’s not here anymore”, with an evil smirk. And again I found myself going along for the ride in a body and mouth that were no longer under my control.
Obviously my salvia experience is very unusual. Perhaps I have multiple personality disorder which is triggered by Salvia? Never had a single change in my field of vision, or ability to hear. And I was smoking 35x extract from the most well known vendor on the web. Just felt like I let someone else taking over, and they were sinister. Really, really scary, so I haven’t smoked it since, and plan never to do so again.”
Trust me, I know how to properly dose all drugs. I do my research. I just react in a very different way to psychedelics. It is weird though, because weed affects me rather strongly, and obviously alcohol gets me too. But other than that, I’m a super hard-head to drugs. I’m always the one that makes sure people don’t do stupid or dangerous stuff while I trip with friends, because I’m the only one who is coherent. However, I forgot to mention (I just remembered) that once when tripping on 33mg of 2c-e I had visuals. The 3D perspective was very exaggerated, and the symbols on the carpet seemed to float above floor level a tad bit. But that was at the peak and was very brief, and then the visuals were gone.
I’ve never seen colors, patterns, fractals, whatever this kaleidoscopic visual thing is that everyone talks about, or anything like that, but I want to very much. Do you have any suggestions of drugs that could help me achieve visuals?
@snaysler, my knowledge is a bit cloudy on these new compounds but I thought 1mg was enough to give to 5 people (1000ug).
The problem with most drugs that give real visual effects is dosage. You really don’t know dosage. What did the acid you take taste like? How about the 5-nbome?
Its a trick question – the amounts should be so small you taste nothing. If you taste something bitter, or metallic… well you are the subject of false advertising.
I still believe that with salvia and [ESPECIALLY] DMT is that you didn’t inhale enough. You need to be a trooper and over do it, you need to inhale to painful levels and then you break through. The structure of DMT is so similar to serotonin that if you had some kind of immunity to it, I’d believe you probably couldn’t function in society because you’d basically be brain dead, or at least mentally imparied.
What I would do is either get / make some DMT again, and make sure its a white crystalline (yellow crystals = ??) solid. You need an oil burner, I can’t state that enough. Sprinkling it on weed is for weak trips.
Otherwise get some mushrooms and some orange juice / mango juice. Ingest double what you’d normally take. You can buy them online – google magic truffles. They are legal to own, even in the U.S.
Other actual visual distortions… I’ve only done LSD (weak) shrooms dmtsalvia and weak ayahuasca. I stay away from the 2-Cx’s. I’d retry DMT – many, many, many people never break through because they can never inhale enough. Yet they say its either bunk DMT, or that it doesn’t work for them. Neurologically… probably not possible.
@ijesuschrist, I’ve heard that DMT can be tied to schizophrenia, because patients have increased levels of dmt excreted in their urine. Do you think the dissociate effects of the trip can trigger/add to a person’s schizophrenia? And if so, could ‘contacting alien entities’ be nothing more than 1 part of your brain being dissociated so much that it perceives the other(s) as separate beings?
I really like how @snaysler described exploring “different caverns and pockets of neuronal data in my mind”. What’s the difference between what they experienced as a holographic mind-scape versus an entity infested hyperspace? I propose there isn’t, and that overdosing past a certain point makes the trip TOO foreign and impossible to integrate, ultimately a waste although enjoyable.
I think you have to get in that oreo of not too much, not too little; pushing yourself without destroying your Self.
@versai, The whole reason I do DMT is to be completely destroyed and dissociated – to leave this realm completely.
I don’t have the answers. I don’t think DMT can cause schizophrenia, I think perhaps extreme situations and extreme psychological stress can cause a person to go down that tunnel. I have mixed feelings and ideas about schizophrenia, seeing its onset (maybe) and getting away scott-free (maybe) as well as having one of my closest friends succumb to it (watched him week by week). He had heavy drug use before his “onset” (which wasn’t like one epic episode), but had no one to talk to – or rather – didn’t want to talk to anyone.
“What’s the difference between what they experienced as a holographic mind-scape versus an entity infested hyperspace? I propose there isn’t, and that overdosing past a certain point makes the trip TOO foreign and impossible to integrate, ultimately a waste although enjoyable.”
I find them completely different. I’ve been to both, they are totally different. Too foreign and impossible to integrate… I think its subjective. I think they can be as much a waste of time or as influential and crucial to understanding the big picture as you want to make them.
All of my trips showed me an incredible amount. Only about 20% I remember – but the feeling remains. I know what happened, but its like… my brain doesn’t have the neural vocabulary to describe it, so slowly it becomes “meh … crazy trip”.
But how do I know? Maybe its nothing. Maybe we die and rot in the ground and DMT is just a fun crazy play on our brain.
Maybe after we die DMT is a key element to see that. Maybe the afterlife is some kind of radical perseption skewing insanity.
Maybe its somewhere in between.
I don’t have the answers I don’t think anyone does… Its a crazy drug. Do what you want with it. I feel like everyone should have the experience though… let them interpret it, but in a communal setting :)
@ijesuschrist, I know the point of DMT is to shatter reality; but that’s what I’m getting at. It’s SO subjective that while being extremely dissociated, pretty much anything you believe is perceived. I’ve convinced myself of both hypothesis’ before, that I’m interacting with distant alien entites, and other times just fractions of my ego within my own mind. Some people seem to have one or the other, very dependent on their spiritual beliefs. Guess I was just curious what your opinion is, I know no one has proof for one or the other. Lately, with the help of occam’s razor, I’ve decided that I’m just interacting with my mind in a higher-dimensional way, not with aliens. I’m perceiving myself, but almost in 4 dimensions, where time is whole and constant. It’s yielded MUCH more results than just choking down as much smoke as I can and hoping for the craziest/best. I have more of a tactic now, and can somewhat control what I’m bedazzled by. You should try it, but if you believe aliens are the source, then I suppose it wouldn’t work.
@ijesuschrist, I was referring to the way you started your post off with ‘lol?’, all in good fun though man.
Thanks for the answer though; the bad comedowns are what I absolutely hate most about psychadelics. I’ve actually only tried acid, but the past two times the comedowns were unbearably bad. Good to know DMT wouldn’t be the same way, if I could ever get my hands on some.
@grantgodfrey7, come down bad? what do you mean???? I’ve never heard of this with any psychadelic. You are usually thanking all that is holy you have made it out alive and in one piece or you are walking on a cloud of nice feelings “After glow”
@ijesuschrist, It was like a very intense marijuana come down. Complete lethargy and lack of energy. Just ‘dead’ feeling. The trips themselves were great, mind-opening. I’ve tripped four times, and the last two had terrible come downs.
I live in the los angeles area and have wanted to experiment with DMT since read DMT the spirit molecule. I have experience with psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin. If anyone in this area is able to get or make DMT it would be appreciated.