Description of DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) to a non-user.
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I live in the los angeles area and have wanted to experiment with DMT since read DMT the spirit molecule. I have experience with psychedelics such as LSD and psilocybin. If anyone in this area is able to get or make DMT it would be appreciated.
Due to a great post by Jordan at http://www.highexistence.com/discussions/topic/my-best-explanation-of-shrooms-lsd-to-a-non-user/ I will take the topic of DMT as well.
What is DMT?
-DMT is a naturally occuring compound in many plants as well as in humans. The function in humans is unknown and debateable but has been thought to control Near-death-experiences, dreams, and other extreme senses. Its chemical structure is similar to Psilocybin and serotonin. It is also reportedly the strongest hallucinogen (not by dose, but by intensity obtainable).
The experience is very quick when DMT is inahled by vaporization, and lasts around 15 minutes. The first sensations are often an overwhelming weakness of the body, and a struggle to stay standing or sitting up, and a need to lie down. Your vision usually will either begin to tremble, or massive amounts of kaleidoscope images will begin to appear, ever increasing in their intensity. The visuals will morph around the 45 second mark into actual hallucinations – images of people, creatures, or structures will appear. The shapes will at first seem abstract, but can become increasingly real. These will last for approximately 6 minutes, followed by a weakening in intensity, and a revelation that you are actually in your room (or wherever you started) and that the trip wasn’t taking place in reality. The visuals will last for a while and usually look like crystals or veins with extravagent colors.
As with psilocybin, any feeling you encounter will be incredibly intense. I often think of DMT as the "awe" drug, because every time I have taken it, I have been awe-struck by beauty and the sheer vastness it creates. Any emotion you feel can be amplified, from sheer terror to utter bliss, and visuals to match.
The difference between psilocybin and DMT is that psilocybin is much slower. It builds and builds and the slight changes that constantly occur in your awareness of reality allow you to truly understand what is happening. DMT on the other hand blasts far beyond psilocybin’s perspectives and in a fraction of the time, often giving the user forgetfulness of the events that took place, or the revelations that s/he had. Often, however, the user is shown (analogy owed to Jordan) the play in which we are all actors, but exactly what is controlling it. DMT, in my experience, often explains what is truly behind human kind, and how we think, why we think, and what exactly reality is. The problem, of course, is the intensity and duration of the trip. It is incredibly hard to comprehend what is shown to you in the very limited amount of time.
Since DMT is so short here are the only precautions you need:
1. Never do DMT when you are anxious, stressed, or depressed. If you get nervous before doing it, ease your mind, you will thank yourself! Many people meditate before taking this substance.
2. Set your mind up for happiness, trust me, its rewarding.
3. Since the duration is so short, a sitter is not always necessary, but make sure that you are not somewhere where you can knock things over, or where if you lay down something may spill, catch fire, or any other dangerous scenario.
Here are some trip reports (Ranging from Euphoria to Terror – its always benefitial to see both sides, right?):
Me- After a 5 minute calming of meditation, I think about love and warmth, and how I would greatly enjoy a trip with such emotions. I inhale and lay down, a slight warming in my stomach materializes. Suddenly I am rained down on by hearts and pink and purple rays. I am cuddled, and held in the bosom of life, like a baby and his mother. I cannot hold back laughter of sheer joy. A tunnel appears in front of me, and oddly a marijuana bud appears (I don’t smoke marijuana often). I have no idea why it appears, but it is incredibly benign.
Me – After discussing with a friend, he decides he would like to do it with me, if I do it first. After an appreciation for the substance (mentally preparing myself) I inhale. I lay down, and suddenly everything becomes alive. All things have veins and arteries, pumping neon light everywhere. I am connected to all things by these vessicles of life. I am catapulted into the thought of how society influences all of us. I stare at all the materials in his apartment and my clothes and start laughing at how silly all these purchases are. I stand up, still very intoxicated, and begin pacing the room, laughing histarically at how stupid we all are! I couldn’t believe I had ever bought name brand clothing, or some stylish sheets for my bed, or any trinkets to put in my house. All of my influences seem so ridiculous. I slowly come down, and the real revelations disappear. I feel very confident in myself.
A friend – Takes an inhale in his room. His dog appears through the door, and says to him "I know you’ve taken DMT. I’ve alerted the police." My friend responds "You’re my best bud and you’re doing this to me? Why?" but his words come out as garbbled noise, and he realizes he can’t talk because he is so high. Two policemen come inside and ask him to slowly get off the bed when he is sober so they can arrest him. He nods his head and attempts to ride out the high, waiting for his arrest. As the high wears off, he realizes he is actually face down in his pillow. He tosses himself upwards and sees nobody in his room, his dog in the far end of the house.
A friend – An inhale while sitting on a porch outside. He is launched into interstellar space. Floating, unaware of anything. A man who looks much like mythical zeus, and the size of trillions of galaxies in length approaches him. He grabs his face, rips it off and stretches it to the end of the universe. The diety winds up and starts to throw the face back onto my friends head but right before my friend’s face is to be reunited with his body, the god explains: "Never come back here", an astronomical clapping sound occurs and my friend is dumped back into reality, sober as a clam, sitting on the porch.
@Filip, I think its really just the method your using. If you ever get an oil burner, you’ll notice the difference. You heat it up, the vapors stay there, you keep heating it, until the pipe is completely full of vapors, then you inhale. You repeat at least 1 more time, and then all of reality strips away and you can do nothing but lie on your back, hopefully before you completely travel outwards (don’t want to hit your head!) also if you do attempt this, make sure you place the pipe somewhere safe that it won’t burn anything. . . You have just a few seconds before you get blasted into nothing/everything-ness.
Such an incredible substance.
@ijesuschrist, I know the point of DMT is to shatter reality; but that’s what I’m getting at. It’s SO subjective that while being extremely dissociated, pretty much anything you believe is perceived. I’ve convinced myself of both hypothesis’ before, that I’m interacting with distant alien entites, and other times just fractions of my ego within my own mind. Some people seem to have one or the other, very dependent on their spiritual beliefs. Guess I was just curious what your opinion is, I know no one has proof for one or the other. Lately, with the help of occam’s razor, I’ve decided that I’m just interacting with my mind in a higher-dimensional way, not with aliens. I’m perceiving myself, but almost in 4 dimensions, where time is whole and constant. It’s yielded MUCH more results than just choking down as much smoke as I can and hoping for the craziest/best. I have more of a tactic now, and can somewhat control what I’m bedazzled by. You should try it, but if you believe aliens are the source, then I suppose it wouldn’t work.
The more I read about these experiences, the more I feel like weed, shrooms, dmt, meditation, etc. all do the same thing to varying catalyzing degrees. They seem to bring consciousness into our experience, even if it’s just for a fleeting time. Most of the time though, it seems that some of that consciousness remains with you. I think the reason many people don’t remember their experiences and realizations while taking dmt is because they became too conscious of reality for their mind to properly comprehend what was going on.
Could it reduce suffering in your life and give you more freedom?
This isn’t a mathematical problem – there is no deducing whether DMT should be done or not done. If you feel the need to do it, go for it. If you’d rather not, then don’t. It is a very subjective experience, and as such is very influenced by how you perceive it.
Just go with the flow.
@ijesuschrist, I’m positive it was LSD lol. I researched the drug a lot before taking it, and I read several places about the comedown. Maybe you’re just lucky?
After the last two times (which admittedly were much stronger doses than the first two times), I felt completely exhausted (physically and most definitely mentally).
Everything I’ve read says that the comedown varies depending on the person. Mine was very negative (but it’s probably because I wasn’t anticipating it after my first two experiences)
DMT is unlike any drug i’ve experienced. The first few times I tripped on DMT were incredible. I had so many life epiphanies and one trip had me laughing to the point of tears the entire time. Then something changed. Let me first say, I have NEVER (and will never) trip when I’m feeling stressed or any other negative emotion because I know that can take you to a dark and scary place. With that said, I began seeing these demon-like creatures that last few times I tripped on DMT. It was the same demon creature every time. Weird right? I don’t understand why my trips changed so dramatically. Could it be that the DMT trips were causing me to feel what my body was actually feeling but I just didn’t realize it? If that makes any sense….
@zowie, It was the most comfortable and welcoming feeling; I could not resist surrendering myself. I couldn’t explain it to anyone that hasn’t experienced it, but it was a very messianic experience. Like other near-death descriptions, I saw/felt/realized all of the choices in my life that led to my current moment. Like my life flashing before my eyes, though it wasn’t necessarily chronological–it was all at once; one giant feeling of awareness and presence, a punctuation on my existence.
I didn’t want to leave that “whole” feeling, and being interrupted in that trip was the most irritating thing I’ve experienced. Other people’s accounts of physically dying and being revived describe similar disgust for being brought back into their body. I expected to be, and was a little relieved that I didn’t actually die–but that trip confirmed so many spiritual things for me. Death is most definitely not The End.
@ijesuschrist, Do you think you need to be in a good environment and state of mind like most psychedelics? Or not? Because I’ve heard it really does not matter since you literally rocket away from your current place of inhabitant and zoom into another dimension.
“DMT is what makes you dream at night”
Nobody knows this for a fact.
I’ve done it multiple times. I am getting to the point of refraining from explaining it because it is so indescribable and it brings up so many paradoxes, so many things that are hard to understand, or even imagine.
A factor that is very interesting to me though – is that i makes my anxiety (all anxiety) go away. Instead of feeling a nasty gut-wrench in my stomach I feel more of a warm pain-killer. Its odd.
Would I recommend it? I Don’t know. I do not want to bias the experience. It is the most intense thing you’ll ever do, though – if you do it right. That isn’t biased, that is a fact.
@Katie, DMT is a very tricky substance. Very tricky. The thing is, as soon as you believe what you are seeing is real, it becomes real. But if you do not, it is very obviously “just your brain on drugs”. Which is what I was talking about when I said Duality.
There is something very profound about DMT (and really all hallucinogens) in their ability to CREATE reality from beliefs. You aren’t going to be able to fly if you truly believe it, but reality itself can change from a sunny day to a dark abyss, like you say.
It is incredibly perplexing at how dramatically quick your mood can change, even your ENTIRE OUT LOOK ON LIFE after 15 minutes. You can be launched into love and affection, or be drowning in a black tar of demons and hatred, regardless of how you felt 15 minutes ago (or how you THOUGHT you felt.)
It really makes you question reality, your perspective, and what is within and outside of your control…
I really need to try nn-dmt. only experienced 5-meo-dmt. difference is the 5-meo is from the toad, nn from the root bark or however you extract it. they say nn is glory, 5-meo power. my first 5-meo trip overwhelmed me with a sense of power, not a power i could manipulate, but just overloaded my cells with vibrations and had kaleidoscopic visions but no entities. then after i was “broken through”, i simply laid there for at least 15-20 minutes not really thinking of anything in particular. just…”being”…. i was laying in my backyard, face up, staring at the stars. best way to do it honestly. you can really get an idea of this universe when looking up into it on dmt. you lose the need to understand because you realize you are the universe, we are subjective, and our feeling manipulate us.
peace, love, happiness, love.