Do you believe in Gerson therapy, and its effects on cancer and disease.
I am mostly writing this to hear the communities ideas on alternative medicine. If you are not aware of Gerson therapy this link might help http://gerson.org/GersonTherapy/gersontherapy.htm , also I would recommend viewing the movie Foodmatters to learn more on the topic. This sort of nutritional treatment seems very practical and logical. That is what makes me wonder, Why is this treatment banded in America, the land of the free?
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Pardon my spelling and grammar errors I am late for a meeting, but it can wait due to ChemicalSpike and Vulpes commetns. The Gerson Therapy works I am living proof! I had non Hodgkins Lymphoma along with Crohns disease at the age of 19. This was before you could just get on the internet and look for alternatives so my options were limited. Yo Chemicalspike Vulpes, you are completely wrong and I challenge you to where you got your information. and I mean NOW! For one, diet is the cure for cancer! The body will repair itself if caught in time. The Gerson therapy of course is not good for pregnant or nursing women, what the hell is! Everyone knows that! I took the CHOP chemo, lost my hair, got sick constantly and could not eat anything for months. The thing is The Gerson Therapy is not enough but its a start. When western medicine has failed you where do you turn, the propaganda or try and seek and alternate truth. You must constantly continue to seek out a cure and keep up with it for the rest of your life. I was 19 now 37 and was given 6 months to live at Mayo Clinic. I quit chemo, did Gerson heavily, grew my own food for the most part on a organic farm in northern California and was clear of cancer in 3 months! Doing this with no money and ability to work either. It was tough but western medicines answer was more chemo! WHAT A CROCK!
The true problem is you have western medicine trying to prolong cancer. YEAH I SAID IT! They do want a person to get better that means less profit. its a world problem! Don’t get me wrong there are doctors looking to help people,but dig into the web deeply and you will find that Western Medicine is pure profit, PURE PROFIT! That’s it, nothing else. So ChemicalSpike if you want to continue to bash a therapy get your facts straight! Back it up, then lets talk. Dont just copy and paste some words you found to banter on such a serious topic. This site HighExistence is for open minds not a bashing session. What you are doing is killing people already! You are taking away their hope for recovery and that is worse than cancer. I do not want a fight, I would like to see this topic expand and be a forum where people looking for help can find it. Not a place where close minded copy and paste literature tries to represent itself as fact! If anyone has questions of comments please let me know. I am always willing to assist a fellow cancer patient.
It’s banned because it could make a bunch of people lose LLLLOOOOOOTTTTSSSSS of money. I’m talking, of course, about big pharma with their expensive bogus cancer treatments.
I don’t just believe in it, I know it works. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, twice. It works.
Most people have no idea what cancer even is. It’s an epigenetic mutation of sorts, where the epigenome goes corrupt and fucks the body up. It’s brought about by carcinogens and some types of radiation, along with some other factors not all of which are known.
Remove these conditions from the system and the cancer cannot grow, it slowly dies off.
Most bodily dysfunctions, it seems, stem from epigenetic errors caused by improper handling of the body. The epigenome can be manipulated, if it can change one way it can also change the other. All epigenetic disorders are reversible.
I think that people should recognise that both conventional and alternative medicines have elements of truth in them however also have the are potential to be exploitive and untrue.
Just because something isn’t peer reviewed does not mean it is a complete falsehood and equally just because a treatment is uninvestigated or unaccepted does not necessarily mean it is a complete falsehood.
Anecdotal evidence is not truth within the scientific criteria however you would be extremely biased not to accept it as suggestive, as long the source can be substantiated.
@themaster, ……. Thank you Master J for defending the TRUTH on the Gerson Therapy. Some people find posting from what THEY claim is facts that western medicine or also known as oxford medicine, that it does not cure or some have died on the gerson therapy. I wont denie that it may be true w/ a few cases – but the reason why the few who did not make it by far have a solid reason why, and it is not because of the treatment……The gerson therapy has been curing since the late 20′s to now, and with few casualties. If the coffee enemas is so bad, when the HUNDREDS of LIVE cases that have been full proof would have been having issues w/ the colon, but again this is NOT THE CASE. So readers, don’t be afraid to read more on this and try it your self. Since on the treatment, I have been off alergy med’s and asthma med, and lopressor for my rapid heart rate condition, and on top of that my stage 2 colon cancer has been under control. The bleeding has stopped, and the pain has stopped. I will for sure go back for testing in the next few months to ensure this of course…..THE BODY NEEDS MICRO NUTRIENTS to rebuild the mutated cells, and to elminate malnurishment that processed foods CAN NOT GIVE YOU, and the body NEEDS to be detoxified to eliminate the TOXICS we have added in western medicines and processed foods, and poisoned meats…..
@piptherational, PHILL>…… NO! it can…. MY mother is living proof of it… how many people have to come up forward to declare their proof of your claim Phill?!! My mother is a cancer survivor from the breast. She declined surgery and chemo, and went the natural way. She removed the toxics from her body through herms and plant base diet, and RAW juicing, and went back after almost 9 months for testing ,and the Dr’s scratched their head and wondered where the heck the tumor in her breast went…. You are WRONG Phill…..I know what cancer is… yes, a mutated cell – actually we are all born w/ cancer cell, they become mutated when we invade our bodys w/ crap from processed foods, and meats and much other harsh in the environment that effect our food…. and we are deprived of nutrition ONLY FOUND IN PLANTS to help rebuild our cells…. !
Gerson therapy definitely works. My cousin who had brain cancer ditched chemotherapy for the Gerson method and his health was improving drastically. He was given a window of 6 months to live but lived 2 years longer than expected. The tumor in his brain stem finally killed him at the age of 29 but interestingly enough he always said he’d never live to see 30.
Plenty of charity and non profit organisations that aren’t in the pockets of big pharma specifically Cancer Research Uk the biggest cancer charity in the world whose money is in the vast majority, almost entirely funded by the public. Any corporation trying to pull strings would be free to remove partnership with them because they aren’t the major sources but in actual fact business links tend to just be sponsored products in retail and the like.
Should there have been promising results from this then cancer research uk would have been at it like flies to shit but they aren’t because the facts aren’t there, the dangers very much are and well unsurprisingly one simplistic answer to solve a problem that isn’t even one problem but a collection of varied disorders which vary wildly in nature is really the reserve of wishful thinking.
Personal experience is an anecdote not evidence this is why we have trials with blinds and control groups because some lucky people respond for no good reproducible reason, spontaneously enter remission but that might only happen to one in a million.
Did he do the coffee enemas as well?
I’ve been researching a lot since I’ve become ill and it could potentially be cancer..
however there seems to be potential health risks with the whole coffee enema idea but an account of first hand experience would be great?!?!
It is just another form of conspiracy theory. Cancer Research UK is the anomaly in that conspiracy theory though.
Multi multi million pound non big corporation charity with open books under charity law and a true dedication to ending cancer. If it worked they’d be promoting it, instead they are promoting the things that do work and researching things that are making a massive difference. Cancer now to cancer 20 years ago? Mind blowingingly different, hell keyhole surgery alone! So many things to be happy and optimistic about without looking at BS no research cures that has really hurt people.
Does anybody have any independently verified, or peer reviewed evidence of this? Everything positive I read about this comes from people directly related to the Gerson Institute, everything from other sources is about how it’s deeply flawed at best, a hoax.scam at worst. I’m going to go ahead and remain highly skeptical of anything that can’t be independently verified or repeated and hasn’t been peer reviewed. That is not however an endorsement of putting all of your faith in Western Medicine, but if there was truth to this I feel like it would be picked up somewhere. The shitty thing about cancer (not that there’s just one shitty thing) is that you usually only get one shot, if you pick a shitty treatment, it’s probably going to cost you your life (Steve Jobs)
Gerson therapy can lead to several significant health problems. Serious illness and death have occurred as a direct result of some portions of the treatment, including severe electrolyte imbalances. Continued use of enemas may weaken the colon’s normal function, causing or worsening constipation and colitis. Other complications have included dehydration, serious infections and severe bleeding.
The therapy may be especially hazardous to pregnant or breast-feeding women.
Coffee enemas have contributed to the deaths of at least three people in the United States. Coffee enemas “can cause colitis (inflammation of the bowel), fluid and electrolyte imbalances, and in some cases septicemia.” The recommended diet may not be nutritionally adequate. The diet has been blamed for the deaths of patients who substituted it for standard medical care.
Relying on the therapy alone while avoiding or delaying conventional medical care for cancer has serious health consequences.
@cr8ton, I think it is good for short-term use. I agree with someone else who said long term enemas were not healthy.
I went to a holistic doctor once who put me on a two-week cleansing diet. It worked completely. I also know someone diagnosed with cardiac cancer; she went on a particular diet that extended her life.
For healthy people, I think long-term drastic diets are not that beneficial. Everything in moderation.
Alternative medicine is a scam for the most part. Their are some elements of truth of course, but there’s a reason why mainstream medicine is mainstream. In the case of cancer I don’t think chemotherapy is the answer, its more of a business than it is a treatment, but that doesn’t mean the alternative medicine is any better. This Gerson Therapy makes a kind of sense by trying to make the body healthier in order to better function and fight health issues, but it doesn’t seem to have much in the way of research backing it, so I can’t really place much credence to its claims.
@smalls, Smalls…. I understand what you are saying….. It is up to you what you decide to do. Everyone that has posted anything on line goes by research and trying it on their own. If you research the basic functions of what the body needs you will see that most natural ways works, being it be the Gerson philosophy or not. If you can understand WHAT cancer is, and what starves the cancer cells is a good start. I too researched a lot before I tried the Gerson therapy. My mother her self did not do the gerson therapy but she did something natural. She went to an iridologist Dr and then took the natural herb pills for detoxifying her body, and juicing, and vegan diet – no animal products for a while , and it worked for her. You don’t have to do the Gerson therapy, but you can do something similar. Understanding the fundamental is the key. What it comes down to it, as humans we do not get enough Vitamins, and minerals based off of PLANTS. Society encourages MEATS, animal products more then vegetable to get proteins, but what it comes down to it , well, the body works extra hard to breakdown animal products. The body goes through at least 7 days to push out red meat on one serving, and pork takes up to 10 days to go through the body, and chicken is about 4 days. The problem is that humans do not consume ENOUGH FRESH organic fruits and veggies to help balance out and help our digestion system push out the heavy things we eat – like animal meats. And, when humans consume dairy and processed food, well this suppresses our immune system, and this makes us more susceptible to colds, and viruses. We should be able to fight back an easy cold, but when our immune system is deprived of nutrients, well it gets knocked down and we get hit w/ the FLU. Since I have been on a vegan diet, and raw juicing and NO PROCESS FOODS, well I have not gotten a cold in 3 months. My kid is the same way, he is not sick w/ chronicle illnesses , but he no longer has colds, and he has not had 1 asthma attach in 3 months too – ya! Why is this? Well, because he drinks at least 6 eight ounces of raw carrot apple , kale juice EVERY DAY. He barely drinks water. If we both drink the juices 6 to 13 glasses , well there is no room for water. Besides water has so much junk in it and NO NUTRIENTS, that juice can flush you out just like they claim water can, and at the same time get your nutrients you need from juicing. It doesn’t get much better then this. So, if you can open up a bit and just see HOW PLANTS can give you the Vitamin, C,K,PROTEIN,Zinc,B6, CALIUM and much more, heck , humans do not need MEAT. Be again, if humans consume more vegetables and fruits, organically w/ out the pesticides, and less meats and NO PROCESSED FOOD, well , the chances of cancer would be almost not there. But you will get a higher chance of no cancer if you cut out all meats, since most meats have hormones, and other added junk that the USDA has added. But the question is WHY THE HECK does the dairy and USDA encourage in advertisements meat and dairy?? SIMPLE – IT MAKES MONEY! There is no money MAKING IN eating Veggies and fruits, and cutting out processed foods, and if people eat this way, well the health industry goes out of business. It sickens me how the healthcare and pharmaceutical company’s are feeding and thriving on making money on OXFORD medicine – CHEMO. It is a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY, BECAUSE NO ONE HEALS at a 100% They only EXTEND YOUR LIFE. Why do you think they say ‘ this cancer patient is remission?’ duh! because they don’t care if patients are cured, they WANT THE CANCER TO COME BACK, to be able to continue to make money….. Ugh!!!!……. For starters I tell readers my own suggestion… Try doing the a detox treatment – geez, it doesn’t have to be the gerson therapy. But try it, try detoxing your body and drinking veggie fruit juice w/ carrots and apples. Especially when you already tried oxford medicine and it got you no where except a death sentence? HELL , why not??? Just make sure you detox your body along w/ the juicing and stick to the therapy w/ no cheating if you are a cancer patient. The body needs to release the poisons from the body when the juices breaks down the cancer in your body, it MUST LEAVE THE BODY, and the WHOLE body must be fed nutrition w/ the micro nutrients and vitamins and minerals in the plants daily. Dairy, and processed food along w/ animal meats will only interrupt the healing process your body gets in a cycle….. I very much doubt that HUNDREDS of thousands of people who post on line or books published are in conspiracy to RAISE A HOLKS as some claim the natural way to heal is. It would be a waste of time and money, and thousands of people that walk up forward to claim to be healed way would not waste their time and money – it is to exhausting, as they would get nothing out of it….I hope this helps…
You would also be extremely biased not to be hugely cautious when something has been around a long time, there are huge amounts non profit experts who have deemed it both dangerous and not useful for the treatment of cancer and have sidelined it as a alternative mumbo jumbo.
I hesitate strongly towards being cautious and extreme skepticism when messing with peoples lives because it is responsible and right to do so, I don’t want to see people fucking up their health because they were eager to believe that they’ve found the next great thing when there are good reasons to suggest it is the opposite.
Good nutrition meditation and medicine are the way forward if you have serious health problems. If people really believe this stuff will work then I hope they will push for it to be investigated but not recommend it to people when it could be responsible for shortening their lives greatly or killing them.
@smalls, Oh…. not all the people on hear are Gerson patients…. Heck, I am following the Gerson Therapy but haven’t been to the clinic, and it has not put me in a coma or killed me, but then I am not cheating, and my stages fortunately is not deadly like stage 4 like my BFF. Not only is it healing my cancer cells to go bye bye, but it is healing me as a WHOLE – YES whole. My asthma , allergies, and turrets, rapid heart rate, all are being healed. I can’t believe this. I have gone to SOOOO many MD’s in the past 20 yrs, and got no answer, or even got a healing treatment. It was always CONTROLED. Why would I want it controlled when I know it can be eliminated and cured with out side effects???
Lets not forget the power of the mind and the placebo effect (both sides of the coin). Seems like an interesting cleansing diet though (minus the coffee enema’s), and apart from the coffee enema’s, could somebody explain me the health risks of this diet, since I cannot think of any. People dying from eating and drinking natural, organic food? Never heard that before.
@disneybaby, Ok that first post was really long but I’m gonna stop you right here “The body goes through at least 7 days to push out red meat on one serving, and pork takes up to 10 days to go through the body, and chicken is about 4 days.”
I’m going to have to ask you to provide some sort of evidence for this, because all scientific evidence says that is not true. I also just had this discussion with someone on a different forum yesterday but the gist of it was this: The human body is very adept at breaking down animal products, our stomach acid has a pH of 2, which is very acidic and dissolves animal products. We also create (on our own) enzymes like pepsin and trypsin (breaks down proteins), lipase and bile salts (breaks down fats). Those enzymes are created by our own bodies, what they are incapable of digesting is plant matter, which is mostly cellulose and is completely indigestible by us and the bacterial colony living in our colon. The bacterial colony does break down some of the other plant matter and we are able to absorb their waste products. So if you went by the strict definition of the word rot (to undergo decomposition by action of bacteria or fungi), then the only things that technically rot in our bodies are plants like veggies, grains, and beans. However, this isn’t an anti-veggie post, I love my veggies, I just also happen to be realistic about meat consumption. Fruits on the other hand, I am rather against but that’s for another post. This is my understanding, I’d be very interested to see where you got that information.
there is no “magic bean” cure. The idea is that you cease all habits that made you ill, and change your lifestyle to one that fosters good health. Why are people getting cancer? because they are constantly exposing themselves to it. The gerson method is stop all of that and attempt to cleanse your body. no more pesticides, antiperspirants, preservatives, antibiotics etc.. It is not mystifying, it is logical.