Do you believe the Illuminati exist?

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Zykanthos (@chodebalm)    2 years, 3 months ago

Before you answer that question, let me just talk about the definition of that word. When people say Illuminati, most people think of some secret cult or evil group that has secret meetings in dark churches. Their minds quickly associate the word Illuminati with whatever Hollywood depictions they’re familiar with.

That’s not what I’m referring to. When I talk about the Illuminati, I think of them as the wealthiest people of the world’s wealthiest corporations. As many of you realize, money rules all. Whoever has the most of it, also has the most power. Our world is DEFINED by money. It is not hard to understand why those with the most of it are the ones calling the shots.

Seeing all of the good things in this world that are sacrificed because of money, seeing the poverty it causes, the neglect of basic human needs, the wars, all of the world’s problems are stems of the main cause – money.

So do you believe there’s a modern-day Illuminati like this? If so, do you think they have an agenda?

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

No.
The “Illuminati” is a self-fulfilling prophecy, and is created by those who believe in it.

The real “illuminati” is simply the infection of ideas on a global scale in people of power. Think of certain ideas as viruses that can spread and be shed. Nobody controls the world – there are ideas that control the world. And nobody owns, or controls those ideas – they simply exist as an evolutionary product of what we are.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

I think it is comforting to believe that these people in power believe they are truly weild power, but they are nothing more than a collection of other’s ideas, in essence, we create them.

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Zykanthos (@chodebalm)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, But I can’t seem to deny that what I know about the world….other people know too. People who are free thinkers and have a higher level of consciousness can see that society is very easily manipulated. It just makes you feel like there’s gotta be people of power who also realize the same things you do, and they use it to their advantage at the cost of everyone else.

I don’t know. Makes ya wonder. But yes, I agree with what you said.

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Kevin (@bigred)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@mercurial, also just looked up memetics. Very interesting indeed. Wouldn’t that be what were tying to do with the community project?

On topic, i also don’t believe in the illuminati persay, but we defiantly can’t argue that there’s a select few who have quite abit more pull on the strings of society than the average citizen.

The whole thing about the Rockefellers trying to push ID chips on the world eventually really bothers me though, even if it’s not true. Defiantly seems there’s some background cohoots going on with ill intentions.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@mercurial, wow I thought I was smart, someone always beats me to it.

Decently. I’m no economist, though.

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Tom (@420dreamsheep)2 years, 3 months ago ago

While I agree with @ijesuschrist that there is no set agenda or conspiracy as such, something called the Bilderberg group certainly exists. This is a group of some of the richest, most powerful and influential people in the world. They all meet up, and as people tend to do, will network and collude in order to try and obtain whatever suits them best as individuals – similar to lobbying or getting your friends/family jobs. There is no ‘New World Order’ just rich and powerful people rubbing shoulders and doing their best to stay rich and powerful…

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Akaballeior (@akaballeior)2 years, 3 months ago ago

I’m new to this website, I don’t know if it’s okay to link a website that I am unsure of the security but still I’ll do it. http://magicsessions.nl/

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Alex (@alexico)2 years, 3 months ago ago

ive actually been thinking alot about this lately. i find it easy to believe that there is some sort of group who controls more than its fair share of strings on a global scale. but the idea of memetics does seem to take away the doubtfulness associated with such conspiracy theories. its like a form of idea cancer and its infecting the collective consciousness… its easy enough to get in the frame of thinking that “they” are out to get us and keep the common folk down and….all that jazz. but in the back of my mind ive always known that things arent that black and white but much more gray and foggy….that the “they” we refer to as evil tyrannical oppressors are probably not conscious of the repercussions of their way of life…at least i hope “they” wouldnt have such intentions. but this doesn’t take away from the obviously negative effects of the accepted “me me me mine more more!” mentality. i think its time we evolved beyond that paradigm.

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)2 years, 3 months ago ago

I don’t think the super-rich are allied by any kind of formal treaty or agenda. Rather, I think they are allied by a common trait of insatiable greed, which makes them allies by circumstance. I think they are aware of what they do, but since it doesn’t effect them or anyone they care about, they don’t give a shit. They wouldn’t hesitate to fuck each other over if they felt that they could gain from it. I think of them the same way as I think of the Mafia, or the Sith, or Predacons, or pretty much any bad guy there ever was. United by megalomania and a desire to dominate those they perceive as inferior. They are essentially the real-life embodiment of all cartoon villains. They think their intellect, armament, or connections essentially makes them gods. Fuck these bastards man.

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Jake (@jesus)2 years, 3 months ago ago

No, I’m a rational person.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 3 months ago ago

You know how they say “With great power comes great responsibility” we think of superheroes and morality, stuff like that, but I think of Captain Picard of the USS Enterprise. Picard on more than one occasion has had to make decisions that he knew were going to kill people, we cannot, as regular people, comprehend how difficult such a decision would be. Leaders like Picard are a special breed and not one death goes by without feeling like a bullet to the heart. But Picard was in charge of 1000 lives and had to weigh the sacrifice against that price.
When we are looking at people like this “Illuminati” or “Templars” the “1%”, these are people who have the weight of all of humanity. Having a heart that responsibilty weighing upon it would be destructive to the ends, counterproductive. So it takes a different kind than even Picard to get such work done.
These such people are aliens (no not literally) these people are so different from us I can only best describe them as sociopathic and/or psychopathic, these are the kind of people who can actually handle this work. But the thing is that I don’t believe in evil as we know it. These people, I believe, actually have a code, a code that motivates them.
This code, I believe that they believe is the best way to do things, maybe even the only way to do things, and their goal IS control. But this control is not to suit only those captains but to suit all those souls, all of humanity. I am not saying they are right but that they believe they are ultimately doing the right thing for all of humanity.
The thing is that what they are doing, the way they are going about it and the end game can be viewed as the right thing, I have no doubt of this because I cannot see them as being so self-serving that they would just be vamping the victim until it dies, they must be intending to only bleed us enough at each time for us to recover, so they can bleed us some more.
They would not vamp us dry, to death, because then they would starve themselves and they are not that stupid, and they have ambition otherwise they would not even be motivated. Why gather all the wealth in the world if you cannot spend it? They need us to be able to spend it, maybe not all of us, maybe less of us than we think, but they need a significant chunk of us. They need this control and they need that which is controlled by that power.
I like to have faith that there is a more humane way to run the world, but I am not one of them and I have no idea what the world looks like from their ivory towers, so I cannot throw down my ignorant criticisms in defiant condemnation of these people and I do not see how any of us can without knowing the full story and seeing the whole picture.

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Cornerstone (@cornerstone)2 years, 3 months ago ago

“You don’t need a formal conspiracy when interests converge” – George Carlin

I am concerned that people believe the First World does no wrong and that those dissenting voices will be shouted out of existence. The First World has got a lot right and I don’t dislike it but it has SO many things wrong and has created a culture where a single newspaper can determine the outcome of elections, where people are just put onto the conveyor belt from birth to death and are never taught to inspect their surroundings. It is possible to do, you are free to do so, but you will be an outcast and derided even if you are right.

I can’t understand the power/money hungry mentality just as I am sure those who have it cannot understand why you would not have their mentality.

I’m pretty sure they are wrong though. As wrong as anyone can be when determining priorities.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@trek79, “These people, I believe, actually have a code, a code that motivates them.
This code, I believe that they believe is the best way to do things, maybe even the only way to do things, and their goal IS control. But this control is not to suit only those captains but to suit all those souls, all of humanity. I am not saying they are right but that they believe they are ultimately doing the right thing for all of humanity.”

Reminds me of the “League of Shadows” from the Batman trilogy.

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Nightowl (@nightowl)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@chodebalm, @ijesuschrist, yes there is an organization that refers to themselves as Illuminati. It means The Illuminated, as they feel that’s what they are. As said in other posts today, they’re self-proclaimed as worthy of controlling the world, whether they really are or not.

But they don’t control the world!
The truth is scarier indeed – nobody controls the world. However there are many organizations always in attempt (always have been!) and the Illuminati are one of many of these in our world. The way things have rearranged now, they can be seen as a higher order of the Masons. I hope nobody tries to claim Freemasonry isn’t real, that would complete the ignorance.

@jesus, couldn’t help but note you claimed to be a RATIONAL person as in a person who rationalizes, but did not claim to be an intelligent, perceptive, or reasonable person all of which would refuse to claim so assured that such an organization doesn’t exist when he could truly have no evidence to refute it and in fact could find evidence to support it if he weren’t rationalizing.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@optimystic, This view I have on this topic is new to me, I was a very angry person toward these types for a long time. I got this view from Assasins creed on the Templars, that all the men Altaire had to X all believed in something. Something that may well have been misguided but it was driven by noble ambitions, just the means were questionable. I have a habit of seeing the good in people, maybe that is wrong, but that is who I am.
I cannot be jaded by the actions of people if I do not know anything about them, and if I do see what motivates them then I cannot be jaded by them because that understanding of motive humanises them. In the case of psychopaths and sociopaths, this is another thing that can be rationalised about a person, it is a medical condition.
Even the coldest of the cold can be humanised, be it by an understanding of their nature/nurture, or by conditions that defy their control. Something makes a person capable of what they do, no matter what, and like cause and effect it can be understood, it can be rationalised by those with an empathic sense.

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Akaballeior (@akaballeior)2 years, 3 months ago ago

Haven’t anybody looked up the link I posted ? I feel like it’s somehow connected to the subject. There is another one but I just can’t seem to find it.

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Stealf (@stealf)2 years, 3 months ago ago

To think that there ISN’T a group of highly powerful figures behind all this corruption is quite ignorant. Over $2 trillion dollars was put towards chemtrails in the last decade. Its been show that the chemtrails contain high levels of parasites, pathogens, and toxic heavy metals (barium and aluminum). There are also high tech nano particles designed to assemble themselves into microchips within our bodies to almost make us into antennas and control out thoughts. So yes, there is a unknown tyranny within our country that most people have no idea exist. They are the leaders of huge corporations that have too much power and control our daily lives. They actually own 20% of this countries GDP.

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@mercurial, haha, I think it is indeed psychopathy. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” But to bring the Sith and Predacons into this? Sorry bout that, I was beyond drunk at the time and in that state reality and fiction tend to blend together in my mind. I should know by now that drinking and the internet don’t mix.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

Why not?
Putting into consideration the type of world we live in.
Anything is possible.
I mean, we got psychotic extremist Christians.
And super secretive Area 51 nonsensical nonsense.
As well as those Whale Hunter guys.
And Anonymous.
Oh! Can’t forget those Masons.
OH! AND, whats that…the super fantastical frequency shit. HAARP?

So, why not?

Who knows. But, why not?

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TheSkaFish (@theskafish)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@alexa, I suppose so. Who are those Whale Hunter guys you spoke of, are they people who hunt whales, or is it just a name? You said it in caps so it looks like the proper name of a group or something.

@mercurial, Cheers man, enjoy your brew. But I’m not sure what you mean about sneaking kids into a theater?

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Alex (@alexico)2 years, 3 months ago ago

best intentions or not…shits not right no matter how you cut it. but i think were all smart enough to see that.
@theskafish, i actually enjoyed your drunken rant. (:

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Anonymous (@curiousdude)2 years, 3 months ago ago

If you’re fan of video games, then i’d recommend you to play this game, “Deus Ex: Human Revolution”

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

@theskafish, Bahaha I was awfully drunk when I responded to this. however, these guys! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqpXYOGZ9tQ

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

Do I believe if money is power? Yes.

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Anonymous (@)2 years, 3 months ago ago

The power structures of planet Earth are fairly simple, its not the guys who have a lot of money (although the people in control do) that are in power, its about the guys who control the creation of money, monetary policy in general. If you control monetary policy, then you control the rates of inflation, and you control interest rates. Through this dynamic you can pick and choose what corporations succeed, on the world stage, therefore you control the market. Through this control of the monetary systems, artificial boom and bust cycles are created through corporate manipulations of the stock market, as well as purposefully created economic bubbles. These cycles are designed to surreptitiously gain control of more resources, the people who control the most resources, control the world. This system was purposefully created by individuals, and through this system their progeny (of spirit at the very least) retain control and expand their power base. The method of expanding this power base is another topic altogether. The irony is Plato predicted to some extent this occurence, he said (paraphrasing), that a democracy would inevitably become an oligarchy, and overtime the two would fluctuate.

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