Do you contradict yourself?
Do you contradict yourself and how do you justify it?
Ex.) you say you love animals but you also eat them.
Ex.) You don’t believe in God but you pray when you feel lost.
Ex,) Your motto is to stay true to yourself but you believe in changing who you are for the better.
(If you think of better ones you can post them, I can’t think of that many right now)
Is contradiction good, even necessary sometimes? Do you feel comfortable holding two opposing viewpoints at once and how do you justify these viewpoints to yourself and others?
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We can only learn and advance with contradictions.
The faithful inside should meet the doubtful.
The doubtful should meet the faithful.
Human slowly advances and becomes mature
when he accepts his contradictions.
A quote I pulled from this site:)
@emmaclaire, thank you(: i appreciate the good thoughts.
mmmm…. I see. I guess I used to be the same way, but very extreme. I never stood up for myself. it’s like a always foresaw all mistake and tried to do everything in my power to prevent them from happening. that’s why I always thought so carefully about my words and which ones i use and where. syntax, diction, inflection. alla that. now, i just say what i think and worry about the problem when it arises, usually. but of course, I still am aware of my surrounding. I just don’t let them consume me anymore.
I put myself in too many situations with people who could have cared less about me. and that lasted for a very very long time. i finally gained some self-respect and started standing up for myself. i dropped people if i felt like they were a detriment to my well-being. and it’s not rude, i don’t think. I think… I HOPE that people will understand. because i tell them what i think. it’s not that i do or dont like them, it’s that i don’t think we fit well together. I hope in time they can see that it would have been a waste of time and energy on both of our parts. i only drop people who are closed-minded, so I have nothing to learn from them because that’s a reality I have already fully experienced. Of course I love all beings, and i still hope they experience ego death, but if they won’t let me help them, I can’t, and there is nothing else I can do but wait. If I can’t be the person to fill their eyes with wonder, then I can’t and hopefully someone else will.
I think a lot of the time, I lose myself when I stop paying attention to myself. Do you meditate? It’s awesome because it won’t let your mind wander, if you do the focusing on your breathing technique. you think a thought, acknowledge it’s there, and concentrate on breathing again. what an awesome way to not be consumed by your thoughts.
but It’s okay to be judgmental every so often. it’s not your fault. it’s instinctual and it’s a part of living in the time and place we live in. I think I’m contradicting myself a lot by doing the same. I WANT to be this peaceful and loving person 24/7, but that’s not the entirety of who i am right now, and that’s okay. maybe one day i will be, maybe one day I won’t, but I feel very sure that if there is a time where I really need to calm down and be at peace with myself, I can. Just control of self, I guess. I feel really secure in the powers I hold with regards to myself.
@fr3sh, Yeah. The forcing part is what most people mean when they say they don’t like religion. I guess I just think it is important to point out that the topic is so complex we can’t even define it, so it definitely can’t be funneled down into close-mindedness.
Wow this is really off topic.
I am contradictions. I cannot contradict myself, because myself is contradictions.
“We can only learn and advance with contradictions.
The faithful inside should meet the doubtful.
The doubtful should meet the faithful.
Human slowly advances and becomes mature
when he accepts his contradictions.” – Shams-i-Tabrīzī
This question immediately made me think of a Gandhi quote I really enjoy: “Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.”
Happiness and the life we want to get to is possible if we bring that sentence to life. I believe as we grow we often contradict ourselves, while figuring out who we truly are. So I would say yes, it is necessary. But eventually, in my humble opinion, one must learn to be bold and act, believe, say, and think in harmony to achieve their lives goals/dreams.
Like the thread. Have been going on this website for quite a while and this is my first post. So, hello everyone haha.
Anyway, Vegans can win the argument purely on empirical data on health effects and environmental inefficiency, at least on the Mammal level, and never need raise a question of morality.
With morality being subjective, and choice being a valid right, there is no ground to be made on a moral argument. Technically, if people are willing to risk their own health, they have that right, so the only real avenue for making headway in societal culture or law is environmental inefficiency.
@fr3sh, That’s really insightful!
As for religion, it’s my major in school. I just finished a theories of religion class. We basically looked at all the different definitions of religion great philosophers have come up with… by the end I just had to laugh because there is no one definition of religion, at least not one that encompasses everything. The greatest minds of our past all contradicted each other. It is so hard to argue about something that doesn’t even have a concrete definition. Same thing with God. At the end I concluded that religion must be all the definitions combined, and also none of them… a huge contradiction but (to me) the one that works the best.
@Avernus, If someone else ate you would you respect that as them loving you?
What do you mean you justify them by simply being there? Could you elaborate?
To everyone: I should clarify my original question. Do you contradict yourself without seeing anything wrong with it. Also, this is by no means limited to the examples I posted. It could be all sorts of stuff.
Part of the reason I am asking this is because I’m going through some personal stuff and am wondering if it is okay to have many sides to myself, all that are equally me, that aren’t really cohesive, if that makes sense.
Yeah fair enough, agreed there is no concrete definition for religion as each perceives religion and god in their own manor. And for that reason no one person is wrong in saying what they believe religion or god to be. Though, i feel some try to enforce their views upon others and are not accepting that others may think (and perceive) things differently then them. That is where i feel religion becomes a bit excessive.
@mikeyw829, I agree, it is really complex. That is kind of what I am getting at… Are human beings so complex that at some point to even function as human beings we must hold opposing views at the same time? But (and this is debatable) you are sacrificing the well-being of other living things for the sake of yourself. I guess it depends on what you value most.
@emmaclaire, Everyone contradicts themselves, in more ways than one. In the cases you’ve given saying you would only want to be a rockstar when you grow up you were five then becoming interested in being a writer is in one way contradicting because you have changed your opinion. I believe that what contradiction truly is, the change in opinion, and with out that change we would never learn, human growth would stop and we would never evolve.
Saying that you’ll be true to yourself but then changing who you are wouldn’t be contradicting, if the change is still something you like then you are becoming more yourself than you were before by keeping that change out of your life
@biancavila, Thanks for the respect but I don’t necessarily believe in a god either, at least not in the traditional sense. :)
I think what you were doing just has to do with intent. Praying, visualizing, wishing, asking the universe, etc. your point would have been the same. Wishing better for that person.
Do you feel that you have achieved ego death? When/how did this happen? Are you a happier, better version of yourself and have you still been able to retain most aspects of yourself? Just wanting to hear your story. You don’t have to share if you don’t want to.
It’s supposedly a sign of genius, to be able to compare two opposites.
I contradict myself all the time–it makes me seem somewhat flaky, but it’s because I can see things from all sorts of perspectives. One person’s wrong is another person’s right. It’s really subjective.
My perspective is all I know though–so everything rides on how I’m feeling that day. I create my own reality…so I can only do what I believe is moral and right. :)
@emmaclaire, ohh, i was just directing that towards anybody.
I think so too. It kinda helped me feel better..
Mmmm, not completely yet. But it’s a pretty long story. But here’s an abridged version:
I was a straight A student. Depression, anxiety, alla that good stuff, and then I got narcolepsy. Ended up not being able to go to school due to lack of energy and Excessive Daytime Sleepiness. Smoked some weed, and it kind of just happened on its own.
I don’t think I can answer that quite yet. I’m on summer break, so I haven’t been around too many people other than my mom and dad lately. There are actually times where I’ve felt that I’ve completely lost my ability to recognize myself and that I was doing the things I was doing, so i’ve been spending a lot of time trying to understand and change that. I’m in the process of figuring things out, but I think I’m headed in a pretty positive direction!
Trying to eat a healthier and more suitable diet for me. I’ve also just been paying attention to my mind and body more. But I was very very angry and resentful, and one day I just woke up and it was gone. and it was the first time i truly ever loved living and being alive. and now that I’ve felt that, there’s absolutely no way that I can go back and do damage to myself like I did before.
But thank you for taking interest. I appreciate that(:
@emmaclaire, you remind my so much of myself. I’m glad we have found each other. It’s like you’re perfectly describing who I was haha.
And thank you, but I don’t feel like I really did anything. Life just took me where I needed to go. I kind of just had an awakening and it opened my eyes up to the beauty in life. (Sorry if I repeat things I have already said. I don’t remember what I have already mentioned.) I stayed awake for 40 hours because I had to cram to catch up on my school work, since I hadn’t gone to school in so long due to my health conditions, and all I did was do smoke a little weed, learn some, felt tired, smoked a little more weed, went outside and meditated, came back and learned some more, felt tired, etc. I felt so connected to the universe. Like it felt so right, and I haven’t been able to get back there since. That was maybe….. 2 months ago. But even still, I have kept the awareness and control over self.
My parents were the same way with me. But I’ve started to develop a good relationship with my parents now, which I had NEVER had before. But now, I realize that it’s less of them trying to be perfect and more of them trying to learn how to parent. I’m the only girl, and my only sibling is a brother that’s a year and a half older than me. My brother and I are EXTREMELY different, so it was like their first experience of parenting someone like me was, in fact, me. They just don’t know what to do. When you were born, I’m assuming that they already created in their heads the imaginary world that you were going to grow up in, the imaginary world that THEY wanted you to grow up in. And them wanting you to be “perfect” isn’t about you; it’s about them not being able to accept reality. No matter what, you are you, and instead of trying to change you to fit their mold, in my honest opinion, I think they need to accept that it is what it is. You’re smart, level-headed, kind. I don’t think there’s much they can do. I think all that’s left for you to do is experience. I think what you really need is time to your self. And not like a spa day or something, but like….. get rid of all the stressors and pay attention to yourself. cause that’s what helped me. and of course, i don’t have the one solution because there is no one solution, but since our past is so alike, I’d figure that it would benefit you immensely as well.
I can’t truly answer that meditation question since i haven’t been able to go back to that calm place again, but it helps me clear my mind. which really does my focus. so much less clutter. How do you meditate? because I am always very sure of when i am asleep and meditating and this is actually the second time I’ve heard someone say this.
But i was the same way with my sleep. It was my escape from the stress that was my life. And even now, i always feel tense and I always feel the pressure on my heart. It’s like my heartbeat isn’t calm, and I’m pretty sure it’s because of all the stress that I put myself through and didn’t take care of.
Stress can literally kill you if you don’t take it by the reins.
@fr3sh, mmm, I totally agree. I don’t believe in a god, but I am still very spiritual. I’ll analyze it more next time i pray though. I don’t know if it’s that i was hoping a force outside myself would induce their ego death, but rather I found comfort in being able to see in my head that it has a possibility of becoming a reality.
@biancavila, Best of luck on your journey! You seem like you have you are really figuring it out.
I thought I did too but I’ve been having an identity crisis lately and I almost feel like an “enlightened” life can’t really be sustained… like I am denying my human nature? Because I think I have been giving love and acceptance and all that and denying the fact that I really do have negative emotions sometimes and I cannot keep letting them well up inside me. And can I really even make a difference in the world and promote peace and love if I am so docile that I let people walk all over me, so much so that no one listens? (This isn’t necessarily directed at you Bianca.)
@emmaclaire, I don’t contradict myself in ways that I realize. If I knew it, I’d stop doing it.
As for your animal example:
It’s possible to be compassionate towards animals yet still eat them because it’s what your body needs. It’s the circle of life. Of course that animal has to be raised and treated the way it’s supposed to, with care and respect. This is only a contradiction if, say, you “love” your dog, but then you go ahead and eat industrial farmed meat because you don’t give a shit about how the animal lived or all of its suffering as long as you don’t need to see it. That’s a contradiction, and your “love” is probably really some sort of self-centered attachment to the dog. There’s a lot of flaws in the idea that you cannot be compassionate towards animals and eat them.
@biancavila, Thank you! I also think we are very similar. What you said helped. I know I can’t make my parents accept me. I really hope they do it on their own. My big sister has rebelled and has really, really disappointed them. She didn’t know what she wanted to be in college so she took a break, became a waitress, got some tattoos, started smoking. In my mom’s eyes she couldn’t be more of a failure. I’m like mom, please. She could be a crack whore, it could be so much worse. She is a perfectly normal kid in her 20s. I have always felt the weight of my parents’ judgment and I think it has contributed to my high stress levels. My resting heart rate is 90 and I always wondered why and I’m almost convinced it is just because of stress. I am trying to get all the stressors out of my life. I’m glad that it helped you and I hope it helps me too. I went to my first hot yoga class in 2 months recently. I used to do it while I was at school and it was my personal escape and I have found it pretty easy to focus and go into a meditative state while doing it. It really helped me get centered. I need to start doing things that are calm, allow me to think, and also to escape my thoughts. Now I’m just rambling. Anyway. thanks a lot!
Oh, and to answer your question about meditation: I have a hard time sitting up. My spine gets really out of line easily so I usually lay down with my legs crossed into indian style and grab both elbows and put my arms above my head. I know this sounds like a really weird position but it is actually really comfortable for me. I just relax, let thoughts come at the beginning but try to send them away when I realize they are coming. I usually spend the whole time trying to get to that stage where I can cease thought since I am so bad at focus, but I am getting better at it.