Do you contradict yourself?
Do you contradict yourself and how do you justify it?
Ex.) you say you love animals but you also eat them.
Ex.) You don’t believe in God but you pray when you feel lost.
Ex,) Your motto is to stay true to yourself but you believe in changing who you are for the better.
(If you think of better ones you can post them, I can’t think of that many right now)
Is contradiction good, even necessary sometimes? Do you feel comfortable holding two opposing viewpoints at once and how do you justify these viewpoints to yourself and others?
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@emmaclaire, yes, I do contradict myself on occasion, but I often look for ways both can be true.
There are very few absolutes in life, most things are a balancing act we seek all our lives to get right.
The main contradiction I make is I often say “Do what you believe is the right thing” then I will say “Enjoy life”.
That is a contradiction because doing the right thing is not always the best way to enjoy life, but as I say, that is what life is; trying to strike a balance between principles that you can be as satisfied as you can with.
@emmaclaire, lmao… i was thinking about starting a tread about this 2 days ago but didnt because i couldnt remember any of my deep contradictions… yea im also a walking contradiction but i still cant remember any atm. i only remember them when i catch my self acting on them… as soon as i remember ill post them here
@fr3sh, That last comment was as an avid student of religion ;)
That is really interesting. So do you think we need contradiction as a tool? Like do you think it is a means to an end but cannot be an end in itself?
@emmaclaire, Nice example.
I’m really beginning to see that the conceptual mind has its limitations. There are plenty of people who have rigid ideologies of what is right and wrong. I don’t think it works that way. It’s much more complex than our thinking minds can grasp. This type of rigid ideology tends to override the true needs of the body, and many people deny even to themselves that they feel a certain way if it contrasts with their views of the world. Look at most vegetarians.
The needs of your body will never steer you wrong, and not just with food. Sure, those needs might contradict a lot of the beliefs people have about what is “right” and “wrong,” but the body is operating from a higher intelligence.
So in your example, if I was in that situation and I craved meat for my sustenance, I’d eat it. To deny my needs at the expense of an ideology is what is unnatural and evil. It’s not evil to eat meat in that situation. The rightness of the choice is much more complex than the all encompassing view that it is “bad to eat meat.”
@emmaclaire, With a couple of your examples, I believe in God but I never pray, not in the classical sense anyway.
With loving animals, eating them does not have to related to not loving them, infact you are displaying an intimate constructive relationship with them. I also love plants.
People have an absolute view that eating animals is immoral but morality is subjective, (now I’m going to cop an earful from vegans explaining why I’m wrong)
And finally, staying true to yourself can be about being the best you can be. Learning how to do things better does not mean you change your fundamental nature, but most often is an expression of that nature.
It’s hard to explain, I have really bad ADD so I bounce from one thought to another. I may say that I believe in humanity, then remember a lot of instances where humanity is failing and say the exact opposite.
I may say that having roommates is awesome for x, y, z reasons…but then remember a, b, c reasons why I hate having roommates and change my mind. I flip flop on a daily basis, depending on how intensely I think about something. It’s like having a pros and cons list for everything, and agreeing with both in part.
Obviously the idea doesn’t apply to EVERYTHING… (cough bigbanks cough politics cough child abuse…) Does that all make sense?
@emmaclaire, i actually caught myself praying the other day. i was praying to A God to help someone lose their ego and help them become a decent human being. and then i was like “wait a minuuuuuuute. that’s silly! c:” (cause I don’t believe in a God, not because believing in a God is silly. I respect your views!) so then instead, I pictured the person with a loving heart and them destroying their ego. and I kind of just smiled and said to myself, “I hope.”
@emmaclaire, Aha yes my views on religion are quite radical and it has been up and down throughout my life (to say the least I’m still trying to figure it out).
“you think it is a means to an end but cannot be an end in itself?” — Precisely. Though, it could definitely be an end in itself, i think that it ultimately comes down to the person and the situation. I know myself i am very open to different views and for that reason am constantly contradicting what i know to further my knowledge on a particular subject. Either the contradictions may be a reason to disprove the initial thought and may be right in itself, or the contradiction partakes in furthering the initial thought, by disproving parts which are contradictory the thought becomes more concrete.
Anyway, Vegans can win the argument purely on empirical data on health effects and environmental inefficiency, at least on the Mammal level, and never need raise a question of morality.
With morality being subjective, and choice being a valid right, there is no ground to be made on a moral argument. Technically, if people are willing to risk their own health, they have that right, so the only real avenue for making headway in societal culture or law is environmental inefficiency.
@fr3sh, That’s really insightful!
As for religion, it’s my major in school. I just finished a theories of religion class. We basically looked at all the different definitions of religion great philosophers have come up with… by the end I just had to laugh because there is no one definition of religion, at least not one that encompasses everything. The greatest minds of our past all contradicted each other. It is so hard to argue about something that doesn’t even have a concrete definition. Same thing with God. At the end I concluded that religion must be all the definitions combined, and also none of them… a huge contradiction but (to me) the one that works the best.
@Avernus, If someone else ate you would you respect that as them loving you?
What do you mean you justify them by simply being there? Could you elaborate?
To everyone: I should clarify my original question. Do you contradict yourself without seeing anything wrong with it. Also, this is by no means limited to the examples I posted. It could be all sorts of stuff.
Part of the reason I am asking this is because I’m going through some personal stuff and am wondering if it is okay to have many sides to myself, all that are equally me, that aren’t really cohesive, if that makes sense.
Yeah fair enough, agreed there is no concrete definition for religion as each perceives religion and god in their own manor. And for that reason no one person is wrong in saying what they believe religion or god to be. Though, i feel some try to enforce their views upon others and are not accepting that others may think (and perceive) things differently then them. That is where i feel religion becomes a bit excessive.
@mikeyw829, I agree, it is really complex. That is kind of what I am getting at… Are human beings so complex that at some point to even function as human beings we must hold opposing views at the same time? But (and this is debatable) you are sacrificing the well-being of other living things for the sake of yourself. I guess it depends on what you value most.
@emmaclaire, Everyone contradicts themselves, in more ways than one. In the cases you’ve given saying you would only want to be a rockstar when you grow up you were five then becoming interested in being a writer is in one way contradicting because you have changed your opinion. I believe that what contradiction truly is, the change in opinion, and with out that change we would never learn, human growth would stop and we would never evolve.
Saying that you’ll be true to yourself but then changing who you are wouldn’t be contradicting, if the change is still something you like then you are becoming more yourself than you were before by keeping that change out of your life
@biancavila, Thanks for the respect but I don’t necessarily believe in a god either, at least not in the traditional sense. :)
I think what you were doing just has to do with intent. Praying, visualizing, wishing, asking the universe, etc. your point would have been the same. Wishing better for that person.
Do you feel that you have achieved ego death? When/how did this happen? Are you a happier, better version of yourself and have you still been able to retain most aspects of yourself? Just wanting to hear your story. You don’t have to share if you don’t want to.
It’s supposedly a sign of genius, to be able to compare two opposites.
I contradict myself all the time–it makes me seem somewhat flaky, but it’s because I can see things from all sorts of perspectives. One person’s wrong is another person’s right. It’s really subjective.
My perspective is all I know though–so everything rides on how I’m feeling that day. I create my own reality…so I can only do what I believe is moral and right. :)
@emmaclaire, ohh, i was just directing that towards anybody.
I think so too. It kinda helped me feel better..
Mmmm, not completely yet. But it’s a pretty long story. But here’s an abridged version:
I was a straight A student. Depression, anxiety, alla that good stuff, and then I got narcolepsy. Ended up not being able to go to school due to lack of energy and Excessive Daytime Sleepiness. Smoked some weed, and it kind of just happened on its own.
I don’t think I can answer that quite yet. I’m on summer break, so I haven’t been around too many people other than my mom and dad lately. There are actually times where I’ve felt that I’ve completely lost my ability to recognize myself and that I was doing the things I was doing, so i’ve been spending a lot of time trying to understand and change that. I’m in the process of figuring things out, but I think I’m headed in a pretty positive direction!
Trying to eat a healthier and more suitable diet for me. I’ve also just been paying attention to my mind and body more. But I was very very angry and resentful, and one day I just woke up and it was gone. and it was the first time i truly ever loved living and being alive. and now that I’ve felt that, there’s absolutely no way that I can go back and do damage to myself like I did before.
But thank you for taking interest. I appreciate that(:
@emmaclaire, you remind my so much of myself. I’m glad we have found each other. It’s like you’re perfectly describing who I was haha.
And thank you, but I don’t feel like I really did anything. Life just took me where I needed to go. I kind of just had an awakening and it opened my eyes up to the beauty in life. (Sorry if I repeat things I have already said. I don’t remember what I have already mentioned.) I stayed awake for 40 hours because I had to cram to catch up on my school work, since I hadn’t gone to school in so long due to my health conditions, and all I did was do smoke a little weed, learn some, felt tired, smoked a little more weed, went outside and meditated, came back and learned some more, felt tired, etc. I felt so connected to the universe. Like it felt so right, and I haven’t been able to get back there since. That was maybe….. 2 months ago. But even still, I have kept the awareness and control over self.
My parents were the same way with me. But I’ve started to develop a good relationship with my parents now, which I had NEVER had before. But now, I realize that it’s less of them trying to be perfect and more of them trying to learn how to parent. I’m the only girl, and my only sibling is a brother that’s a year and a half older than me. My brother and I are EXTREMELY different, so it was like their first experience of parenting someone like me was, in fact, me. They just don’t know what to do. When you were born, I’m assuming that they already created in their heads the imaginary world that you were going to grow up in, the imaginary world that THEY wanted you to grow up in. And them wanting you to be “perfect” isn’t about you; it’s about them not being able to accept reality. No matter what, you are you, and instead of trying to change you to fit their mold, in my honest opinion, I think they need to accept that it is what it is. You’re smart, level-headed, kind. I don’t think there’s much they can do. I think all that’s left for you to do is experience. I think what you really need is time to your self. And not like a spa day or something, but like….. get rid of all the stressors and pay attention to yourself. cause that’s what helped me. and of course, i don’t have the one solution because there is no one solution, but since our past is so alike, I’d figure that it would benefit you immensely as well.
I can’t truly answer that meditation question since i haven’t been able to go back to that calm place again, but it helps me clear my mind. which really does my focus. so much less clutter. How do you meditate? because I am always very sure of when i am asleep and meditating and this is actually the second time I’ve heard someone say this.
But i was the same way with my sleep. It was my escape from the stress that was my life. And even now, i always feel tense and I always feel the pressure on my heart. It’s like my heartbeat isn’t calm, and I’m pretty sure it’s because of all the stress that I put myself through and didn’t take care of.
Stress can literally kill you if you don’t take it by the reins.
@fr3sh, mmm, I totally agree. I don’t believe in a god, but I am still very spiritual. I’ll analyze it more next time i pray though. I don’t know if it’s that i was hoping a force outside myself would induce their ego death, but rather I found comfort in being able to see in my head that it has a possibility of becoming a reality.