Does the quest for "knowledge" or "truth" ruin the world?

2 years, 10 months ago

The quest for truth, can be argued to have caused every conflict in the history of the world. People strive to gain more knowledge and find truth to this life, on this road truth, they create bias’s and beliefs. These bias’s evolve and create who an individual is, so they are willing to fight and die just to spread their belief or opinion, instead of living in harmony.

June 25, 2012 at 8:24 pm

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Profile photo of Nate Nate (@admajoranatussum) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

@cj420weeks, Well it depends on what you define as “truth.” I think REAL truth, is mindfulness, which is the epitome of being unbiased in your opinions. True knowledge or wisdom is having the ability and understanding to listen and consider others opinions without judgement. And just because you form your own “truth in this life” doesn’t mean you have to stand on your soapbox and preach it.
However, it does become tricky when you bring up “defending yourself” and standing up for what you know is right. That is an interesting concept and there are lots of positions to take. At what cost should you project your truth? At the cost of your job, your life, your family’s life?
However, what I will say is that if you look at many of the wisest, most MINDFUL people in history who have done beautiful things for humanity, they are not typically met with open and loving arms by society. Often times they are assassinated. Gandhi, MLK, John Lennon, Abe Lincoln, Malcolm X, etc…
I guess the problem is, even if you spread the most loving and will-intended version of “the truth,” there will never be agreement by all on what is true and right.

Spreading the truth and not conforming to our fucked up culture comes at a high price, but I believe it is definitely worth it.

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Profile photo of trevormsu trevormsu (@trevormsu) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

@admajoranatussum, cj420weeks I think that the general discussion of truth is almost questionable; how does someone know they have reached an objective truth? How does someone recognize that another person has understood an objective truth? People are by no means wholly objective, scientists included. Science, one of our most celebrated methods for “knowing” the world is based on probability (e.g. that a given result probably occurred for reasons other than chance). While this is not a bad method, I have heard more than one science professor say: “if you want truth you’re in the wrong place”. I am not saying truth does not exist, I am just questioning whether it is possible for humans to find it… as pessimistic as that is.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Honestly, it really isn’t the quest for legitimate truth that people kill for. People who have legitimate truth don’t seek to harm anyone.

It is the people who are adamant in their desire to forcefully create their own truth they people start to die. You are not allowed to question people who feel they are right, but are not. They are ignorant enough to breed this ignorance in others forcefully, and they are willing to kill those who do not convert.

I hate to cite the obvious here, but Hitler knew EXACTLY how to harness to evil that is ignorance and he made a mountain out of a mole hill. One falsehood resulted in the death of so many.

The genuine search for truth ends in peace, but the false crusade for denying the truth results in chaos.

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Profile photo of Doppelgaenger Doppelgaenger (@doppelgaenger) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

The thing about the truth, is that it’s true. When you find it, then you don’t need to search anymore because there can be only one. It’s not the hunt for the truth that is harming people, what ruins the world is all the assholes that cling like shit on velcro to the old truths that have been proven wrong, if we could all agree on more or less the same thing then we might have peace and tranquility. Maybe we’ll get there some day.

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Profile photo of DaJetPlane DaJetPlane M (@lytning91) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

@doppelgaenger, yeah I see we are on the same page. The thing is, though, like how do you really convince someone of their doing this? It seems near impossible.

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Profile photo of ButternutSquash ButternutSquash (@equanimity) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

I think it can, much like anything else really. It’s empowering to know where I stand on a particular topic, but empowerment can quickly spin into the “I’m right, you’re wrong” mentality.

I don’t by any means think we should relinquish our pursuit of knowledge, but strive to maintain the lifelong lesson that we are all simply students of life.

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Profile photo of Alex Alex M (@alexishungry) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Take the letter “i” out of the title.
Without the quest for knowledge we would be mindless cavemen with no purpose except survival.

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Profile photo of Exist Exist (@exist) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

The cost of truth IS the world.

Be certain that what you are looking for is what you think it is – when you say truth and knowledge what you actually mean is ‘belief’.

If you are seeking actual truth at any cost then you should be feeding the very flames that immolate and annihilate as fast as you can.

The end of illusion is the end of you – UG Krishnamurti

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Profile photo of sapientia sapientia (@sophia8) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

Knowledge and truth itself does not ruin the world. Conflicts do, and these conflicts occur when people cannot accept the truth.

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Profile photo of Exist Exist (@exist) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

‘Cannot accept the truth’ – what you mean is ‘cannot accept your belief’ – All you did was assume your belief was correct and labelled it ‘truth’.

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Profile photo of trevormsu trevormsu (@trevormsu) 2 years, 10 months ago ago

@exist, I am in agreement with you, I believe. I will further say that when we say “cannot accept the truth” it is necessary to emphasize “the”. This implies that there is one definite truth and that someone knows it.

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