Does the vastness of the universe prove there is no God?
It would be great to reach such a point. I for example, try to watch and observe myself in discussions, and see at which times I get personal and at which times I stick to the point of the discussion. The more emotiones get involved in the discussion, or the more a ‘sensitive snare’ is being touched, the more difficult it is to stay objective and stick to the point of the discussion.
We cannot choose God or Satan because we cannot choose if they exist or not but we can choose to love or hate because they clearly exist and the fate of humanity depends on each of our individual choice in this regard.
If you have blind faith in a religion without an experience of God, you are silly.
If you are blindly atheist without an experience of god, you are also silly.
It took time and effort to find God from looking within, and because of this; over the centuries, religions developed into something that didn’t really need an experiential journey to believe in, and instead, something that everyone could believe in, without actually going on a journey to find. Atheism sprung from thousands of years of ‘no proof’ existing, due to the lack of churches saying ‘go find god yourself first!’ which would be authentic, and instead saying ‘Force yourself to pretend that god exists or you will go to hell for eternity.’
Eventually most of the world religions became physical things, we’re always told to look ‘outside’ and ‘into the world’ to find god, rather than look ‘within ourselves’ which is pretty much the starting point.
Also the word God is skewed into being this omnipotent creature that dwells everywhere in the physical world, however we ourselves; as humans, are the ones that assign meanings to things we see in the physical world, meanings to thoughts that materialize in our minds and meanings to emotions as feelings within the body. In essence, everything we see is a construct from within ourselves.
If that’s not god itself, then what is?
I have a God complex and you’re all idiots.
Bask in my infallible empiricism.
Does the vastness of my imagination prove that I’m superman ?
There is just as much evidence that there is god, as there is that says there isn’t god.
The scoreboard is even.
Which means you get to decide which one you believe. Believing in god/universe brings happiness to my life, therefore i believe in god.
@Phil W.: consciousness, the universe as a whole, the laws of nature, the laws of the universe, meta-physical laws, energy, light, dark, love, hate.
I could probably go on forever, because my perspective is that these things are not random.
I would not use the bible/quran/sutras. They are man made, and although they are books that people should look to for morality, they are purely for enjoyment imo.
You can say that there is no evidence, and point to the hole next to your mountain of evidence which disproves god. I say god/universe created all the evidence in which you use against it.
To debate this topic is to run in circles. Everyone is free to believe what they want, and everyone should know that evidence does not exist without a perspective of what it means.
‘That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence’ – C.Hitchens.
Everything can be asserted and dismissed. It’s called stupidity.
You fall into the second category, which is ok because in actuality it’s all one category.
Are you asserting his ‘stupidity’?
Anyone who says with any certainty that there is or isn’t a God is a fool. Since nobody who has ever lived has ever been able to prove it for certain either way, then how can you?
Has anyone read or played “I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream” ?
Asking someone who has experienced what they have labelled ‘god’ is like asking someone to share with you the feeling inside your body right this second:- absolutely impossible.
You can sort-of describe how you feel with words in the human vocabulary, but these are just labels, you can’t share this resonance with words.
If God (even if defined as impersonal, Brahman, Universal Field) were to exist, no one would think that his existence would be readily apparent to the five senses. Therefore, if you have not climbed up the mountain, you cannot say there is nothing buried in the soil at the summit, because from your perspective, the peak is hidden by clouds and mist, and the lenses of your current technology are far to weak to penetrate this fog. I have not gone very far up this mountain, but I know enough at least to not embarrass myself by saying I know what’s at the top, as the awkwardly faith-driven atheists have done. Have at least a little bit of concern for being seen as having a brain by others. Not a lot, just a little. It would just make conversation more stimulating.
Sasho, Superman has far more limitations than your imagination. Infact, as he is fictional he has no imagination of his own therefore you are far more super than he.
I wonder, when did the Flying Spaghetti Monster become a metaphor for an absolute? How many of us try to say the 11th dimension (or higher) doesn’t exist, because I can’t prove a flying spaghetti monster made up specifically for an argument doesn’t exist?
FSM, was made up for an argument. God was made up as a concept to answer some questions.
People should study mythology more..they might understand a few things about the bible and things like that.
@Phil, whats your take on Hinduism?
If you want to understand the reasons for believing in God or not believing you should study philosophy, not mythology.
Lets shove this down each others throats until we all vomit ok?
I am God. I exist. We all have a me complex.
@Martijn, I’ve definitely, personally, learned more about concepts of god from Mythology than Philosophy. Maybe thats just a personal preference though.
@Martijn what philosophers would you recommend for understanding these arguments?
This is a rather interesting topic. If you want to learn more about the improbability of god, read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.
I am 99.9999999999% certain there is no God anyway. I was just asking a question so to see if i could add another reason to my big list of why God doesn’t exist and religion is a sham.
Regardless of what people think on the concept, (most) everyone thinks about it half the time anyways.
Tom you cannot be certain of something that cannot be proven nor disproven. Are you 99.999999999% certain of the fact that it is untrue that I believe that tomorrow will be a sunny day?
@Alex. Concepts about god are indeed to be found in mythology, aswell as philosophy. But arguments for God and against God, and everything that it implies (the problem of Evil, the soul, dualism, creation etc etc) is by my knowledge only to be found in philosophy.
I would start with Plato and the allegory of the cave. It;s a nice introduction :)
@Martijn My dad has a degree in philosophy, with a specific interest in ancient philosophy. So I’m fairly familiar with plato, seeing as how I grew up hearing the cave instead of genesis. I was wondering if you could point me in a more modern direction? Not as familiar with the new guys. ;)
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