I just watched this video which shows how massive the universe is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8 It raised many questions as you can imagine. One of these questions i thought to myself was being as there are billions of planets and stars in a galaxy and there are countless billions of galaxies in the universe, we have to assume that we are not the only form of life. I mean due to the sheer uncomprehensible size of the universe it would be nieve to believe we are the only form of life. Therefore i thought as humans are so insignificant in the universe, why would God care about what me or you did and if we believed in him etc. Religious people preach about how God knows each one of us personally and cares for us, but is this just wishful thinking as surely we mean nothing to him, as we are like a speck of dust in the universe. Do you know what i mean? I’m athiest by the way.
If you have blind faith in a religion without an experience of God, you are silly.
If you are blindly atheist without an experience of god, you are also silly.
It took time and effort to find God from looking within, and because of this; over the centuries, religions developed into something that didn’t really need an experiential journey to believe in, and instead, something that everyone could believe in, without actually going on a journey to find. Atheism sprung from thousands of years of ‘no proof’ existing, due to the lack of churches saying ‘go find god yourself first!’ which would be authentic, and instead saying ‘Force yourself to pretend that god exists or you will go to hell for eternity.’
Eventually most of the world religions became physical things, we’re always told to look ‘outside’ and ‘into the world’ to find god, rather than look ‘within ourselves’ which is pretty much the starting point.
Also the word God is skewed into being this omnipotent creature that dwells everywhere in the physical world, however we ourselves; as humans, are the ones that assign meanings to things we see in the physical world, meanings to thoughts that materialize in our minds and meanings to emotions as feelings within the body. In essence, everything we see is a construct from within ourselves.
If that’s not god itself, then what is?
There is just as much evidence that there is god, as there is that says there isn’t god.
The scoreboard is even.
Which means you get to decide which one you believe. Believing in god/universe brings happiness to my life, therefore i believe in god.
@Phil W.: consciousness, the universe as a whole, the laws of nature, the laws of the universe, meta-physical laws, energy, light, dark, love, hate.
I could probably go on forever, because my perspective is that these things are not random.
I would not use the bible/quran/sutras. They are man made, and although they are books that people should look to for morality, they are purely for enjoyment imo.
You can say that there is no evidence, and point to the hole next to your mountain of evidence which disproves god. I say god/universe created all the evidence in which you use against it.
To debate this topic is to run in circles. Everyone is free to believe what they want, and everyone should know that evidence does not exist without a perspective of what it means.
Has anyone read or played “I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream” ?
It’s about a computer named AM which simply realizes that “it thinks, therefore it exists” and fucks people up while experimenting with their emotions and intellect.
To put it differently – There is mind, your mind, which can draw conclusions from being curious and gets bored and is not sure why it should have beliefs in the first place, because it knows that it has itself.
And the torture begins. God.
“That bastard’s never going to let us die, he’s just going to keep torturing us forever.” – Gorristor
You didn’t see that coming. :)))))))
Asking someone who has experienced what they have labelled ‘god’ is like asking someone to share with you the feeling inside your body right this second:- absolutely impossible.
You can sort-of describe how you feel with words in the human vocabulary, but these are just labels, you can’t share this resonance with words.
If God (even if defined as impersonal, Brahman, Universal Field) were to exist, no one would think that his existence would be readily apparent to the five senses. Therefore, if you have not climbed up the mountain, you cannot say there is nothing buried in the soil at the summit, because from your perspective, the peak is hidden by clouds and mist, and the lenses of your current technology are far to weak to penetrate this fog. I have not gone very far up this mountain, but I know enough at least to not embarrass myself by saying I know what’s at the top, as the awkwardly faith-driven atheists have done. Have at least a little bit of concern for being seen as having a brain by others. Not a lot, just a little. It would just make conversation more stimulating.
I wonder, when did the Flying Spaghetti Monster become a metaphor for an absolute? How many of us try to say the 11th dimension (or higher) doesn’t exist, because I can’t prove a flying spaghetti monster made up specifically for an argument doesn’t exist?
FSM, was made up for an argument. God was made up as a concept to answer some questions.
People should study mythology more..they might understand a few things about the bible and things like that.
@Phil, whats your take on Hinduism?
@Alex. Concepts about god are indeed to be found in mythology, aswell as philosophy. But arguments for God and against God, and everything that it implies (the problem of Evil, the soul, dualism, creation etc etc) is by my knowledge only to be found in philosophy.
I would start with Plato and the allegory of the cave. It;s a nice introduction :)
@Martijn My dad has a degree in philosophy, with a specific interest in ancient philosophy. So I’m fairly familiar with plato, seeing as how I grew up hearing the cave instead of genesis. I was wondering if you could point me in a more modern direction? Not as familiar with the new guys. ;)
How can you deny the fact that there is some indescribable, unknowable and extremely powerful force that gives life to the innumerable beings in our universe? How did we come here and how were we born? What is it that creates life, consciousness, mind? These also cannot be proven yet there is no denying the fact that they exist. God may or may not be some omnipotent being but nobody ever denies that something eternal exists beyond our transient existence.