Does the vastness of the universe prove there is no God?
I just watched this video which shows how massive the universe is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8 It raised many questions as you can imagine. One of these questions i thought to myself was being as there are billions of planets and stars in a galaxy and there are countless billions of galaxies in the universe, we have to assume that we are not the only form of life. I mean due to the sheer uncomprehensible size of the universe it would be nieve to believe we are the only form of life. Therefore i thought as humans are so insignificant in the universe, why would God care about what me or you did and if we believed in him etc. Religious people preach about how God knows each one of us personally and cares for us, but is this just wishful thinking as surely we mean nothing to him, as we are like a speck of dust in the universe. Do you know what i mean? I’m athiest by the way.
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Tom I think you are missing my point. You have analyzed people their believes in God, as you say, so how can you draw conclusions from this about something that is, or is not? Believes cannot be noticed in terms of being or not being.
It is like I would say that I want a red sportscar, and you would try to convince me that lions are animals. What is the point of the discussion when we are talking about two different things?
Hope you get my point.
I was atheist too, but now I tend to believe in God. I believe in God who is the creator and observer.
Do I believe in that God send his son to condemn our sin? I don’t believe that.
I don’t believe that god can manipulate us in any form.
I don’t think he can help us in any form neither.
It likes God is the audience who sitting at God’s home and watching us playing a soccer. As a soccer player, you don’t hear any word from your audience but you know there it’s an audience who keep watching us.
I just believe we are part of God, and I don’t think we will know who is God or what is God soon. Maybe God just means energy, ether, higg boson or whatever scientific thing that we will finally discover.
Has anyone read or played “I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream” ?
It’s about a computer named AM which simply realizes that “it thinks, therefore it exists” and fucks people up while experimenting with their emotions and intellect.
To put it differently – There is mind, your mind, which can draw conclusions from being curious and gets bored and is not sure why it should have beliefs in the first place, because it knows that it has itself.
And the torture begins. God.
“That bastard’s never going to let us die, he’s just going to keep torturing us forever.” – Gorristor
You didn’t see that coming. :)))))))
As limited beings we have a limited view on everything. As there is no concrete evidence for or against the existence of God can only mean one thing, someone is concealing it, and well, better than any human influence ever could.
It would be great to reach such a point. I for example, try to watch and observe myself in discussions, and see at which times I get personal and at which times I stick to the point of the discussion. The more emotiones get involved in the discussion, or the more a ‘sensitive snare’ is being touched, the more difficult it is to stay objective and stick to the point of the discussion.
But I have seen that it already helps a lot to get into a discussion with a positive attitude, no matter what the discussion will be about. But then again a positive attitude is always helpful in any kind of situation.
It’s common fallacy that just because you can’t produce evidence for something, that it must not exist. Any arguments based on the “Well God doesn’t exist because there isn’t any evidence” are invalid.
Everyone knew light existed before there was actual evidence for photons.
If you are an atheist, what evidence would you accept in order to prove the existence of god?
if you are religious, what evidence would you accept in order to prove the non-existence of god?
Asking someone who has experienced what they have labelled ‘god’ is like asking someone to share with you the feeling inside your body right this second:- absolutely impossible.
You can sort-of describe how you feel with words in the human vocabulary, but these are just labels, you can’t share this resonance with words.
We always see things as one of two posibilities, where only one can be true of the two. Either God exists or he doesnt. The thing with a limitless being is it is not limited by this rule that it can only be one or the other, God can both exist and not exist simultaneously because he is not contrained by what we believe possible or impossible.Anyone who is so sure it is one or the other is not seeing the full picture. In fact anyone who does not see it can be both is not seeing the full picture.
We cannot choose God or Satan because we cannot choose if they exist or not but we can choose to love or hate because they clearly exist and the fate of humanity depends on each of our individual choice in this regard.
If God (even if defined as impersonal, Brahman, Universal Field) were to exist, no one would think that his existence would be readily apparent to the five senses. Therefore, if you have not climbed up the mountain, you cannot say there is nothing buried in the soil at the summit, because from your perspective, the peak is hidden by clouds and mist, and the lenses of your current technology are far to weak to penetrate this fog. I have not gone very far up this mountain, but I know enough at least to not embarrass myself by saying I know what’s at the top, as the awkwardly faith-driven atheists have done. Have at least a little bit of concern for being seen as having a brain by others. Not a lot, just a little. It would just make conversation more stimulating.
The same old repeating discussion over and over again.
I will explain it once.
You will never be able to proof or disproof the existence of God, and you know why?
Because it is something one BELIEVES in!!!
I believe that I will have a happy and prosper life. Can you proof this for me? Can you disproof this for me??
It is so stupid to ask whether God exists or not. It is only a matter of BELIEF!
Another discussion is the fact what the word ‘God’ means for one another, because I can imagine everybody has his/her own definition of the word ‘God’. Just like everybody has his/her own definition of the word love etc.
@Alex. Concepts about god are indeed to be found in mythology, aswell as philosophy. But arguments for God and against God, and everything that it implies (the problem of Evil, the soul, dualism, creation etc etc) is by my knowledge only to be found in philosophy.
I would start with Plato and the allegory of the cave. It;s a nice introduction :)
If you have blind faith in a religion without an experience of God, you are silly.
If you are blindly atheist without an experience of god, you are also silly.
It took time and effort to find God from looking within, and because of this; over the centuries, religions developed into something that didn’t really need an experiential journey to believe in, and instead, something that everyone could believe in, without actually going on a journey to find. Atheism sprung from thousands of years of ‘no proof’ existing, due to the lack of churches saying ‘go find god yourself first!’ which would be authentic, and instead saying ‘Force yourself to pretend that god exists or you will go to hell for eternity.’
Eventually most of the world religions became physical things, we’re always told to look ‘outside’ and ‘into the world’ to find god, rather than look ‘within ourselves’ which is pretty much the starting point.
Also the word God is skewed into being this omnipotent creature that dwells everywhere in the physical world, however we ourselves; as humans, are the ones that assign meanings to things we see in the physical world, meanings to thoughts that materialize in our minds and meanings to emotions as feelings within the body. In essence, everything we see is a construct from within ourselves.
If that’s not god itself, then what is?
@Tom, “*Also someone answer me this: If God is omniscent (all knowing) why did he make me and others Athiest if he knows i will go to hell yet he is supposed to love us?*”
I reject a personified explanation of god specifically because it causes too much confusion. I prefer the Hinduism versions of Gods, and Brahman.
I look at the way people argue and talk about religion much in the same way people talk about music or movies, and others celebrities. The reason religion and this topic causes much more drama then the others is because it directly goes for the big questions, whereas a movie will look at one particular part of the human experience. You use logic to disprove god, but my personal logic tells me there is a god. Of course, logic is also a flawed thought process too. Logic is imperfect, along with everything else that it is to be human.
I personally don’t think it matters if you believe or not in god, because its a concept you cannot ignore if you truly care about existence. The concept is there regardless of belief. Like love. Everyone has a different definition of love, but we don’t all argue if love exists.
The higher dimensions create the lower dimensions, not the other way around. It’s all a big distraction though. Based on the idea that if god does exist, and he made it so there is atheists and theists, then I really doubt it’ll matter much if we argue about it forever. We could just move on to better things though, and agree to disagree. We’ve got plenty of moral issues to take care of first. ;)