Does the vastness of the universe prove there is no God?

How can you deny the fact that there is some indescribable, unknowable and extremely powerful force that gives life to the innumerable beings in our universe? How did we come here and how were we born? What is it that creates life, consciousness, mind? These also cannot be proven yet there is no denying the fact that they exist. God may or may not be some omnipotent being but nobody ever denies that something eternal exists beyond our transient existence.

Tom I think you are missing my point. You have analyzed people their believes in God, as you say, so how can you draw conclusions from this about something that is, or is not? Believes cannot be noticed in terms of being or not being.

It is like I would say that I want a red sportscar, and you would try to convince me that lions are animals. What is the point of the discussion when we are talking about two different things?

Hope you get my point.

Phil, do you believe in love? Has somebody ever given you scientific evidence that love exists? I do not think so, but still you believe in it, right?

Everyone always dodges the Hinduism question.

@ alex. nice one..The concept is there regardless of belief. Like love. Everyone has a different definition of love, but we don’t all argue if love exists.

@Alex – I agree with pretty much everything you just said there. Everyone dodges the Hinduism question because it shuts people up!

Actually, if I’m ever going to be fully a part of some religion is going to be of Zoroaster/Zarathustra. Yeah, Zoro. It’s a religion that basically includes everything in every other religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

We always see things as one of two posibilities, where only one can be true of the two. Either God exists or he doesnt. The thing with a limitless being is it is not limited by this rule that it can only be one or the other, God can both exist and not exist simultaneously because he is not contrained by what we believe possible or impossible.Anyone who is so sure it is one or the other is not seeing the full picture. In fact anyone who does not see it can be both is not seeing the full picture.

I don’t know who are these “we” people, but not being objective can surely cripple your process. If a point of view matters, then all points of view matter by deducting the non-relevant and non-rational.
It’s pathetic to say what is NOT.
So, show people the full picture.

All spiritual teachings point to the same truth about existence. It is just different characters all playing the same roles, teaching the same absolute truths. You don’t necessarily need to subscribe to any specific religion in order to be someone who is spiritually guided, nor do you have to be spiritually guided to know the deep underlying truths about life.

To say it is just one way or the other is identification with a mental label (ego, form, etc.). The teachings of all religions are all sacred, yet outdated. They were stories because humanity was incapable of understanding the meaning of life with the technology that they had available (yeah… like we come even close now. haaaa!). Religion and science could basically point to the same truths by using different terms. (what’s a word anyways? ponder that one..)

We may never know. What we need to do is stop trying to prove and disprove whether or not God exists because it would be arrogant to think that someday humans could stumble on his doorstep and ring the doorbell saying “HEY GOD! What’s up!?”. That or at the very least we need to stop being so sensitive/critical of your own or others views on it and accept it for what it is. All spiritual teachings from indigenous to Christianity are beautiful in their message. We just managed to mess this all up because well.. we’re human. :)

I will leave with this quote by Eckhart Tolle in his book “The Power Of Now”. Very powerful book if you are looking for something thought provoking and engaging.

“The word God has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. I use it sometimes, but I do so sparingly. By misuse, I mean that people who have never even glimpsed at the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they knew what they are talking about. Or, they argue against it, as if they knew what it is that they are denying. This misuse gives rise to absurd beliefs, assertions, and egoic delusions, such as “My or our God is the only true God, and your God is false,” or Neitzche’s famous statement “God is dead”

Peace and love to all!

This thread is about me, just want you all to know I’m here. Currently hangin’ out. Just chillin, watching you mortals… No need praying, I know everything.

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