I just watched this video which shows how massive the universe is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8 It raised many questions as you can imagine. One of these questions i thought to myself was being as there are billions of planets and stars in a galaxy and there are countless billions of galaxies in the universe, we have to assume that we are not the only form of life. I mean due to the sheer uncomprehensible size of the universe it would be nieve to believe we are the only form of life. Therefore i thought as humans are so insignificant in the universe, why would God care about what me or you did and if we believed in him etc. Religious people preach about how God knows each one of us personally and cares for us, but is this just wishful thinking as surely we mean nothing to him, as we are like a speck of dust in the universe. Do you know what i mean? I’m athiest by the way.
@martijn, I agree with you on that. Philosophy shows you better arguments for either side, but I feel that if you were looking to obtain a better or more broad definition of what “god” is, then to use mythology. And you should always at least have a definition before you argue something. haha.
@filip – 99.9999999999 is not 100% therefore i understand i cannot definetely know if there is or is not a God. However using logical and critical thinking and looking at reasons people believe in God, i have analysed the reasons people believe in God and to me they are not good arguments at all. Therefore i myself fully believe there is no God at all so much so that if i was going to die today i would not have a death bed conversion, i would just die athiest.
@martijn – i don’t think you need to look at philospohy to prove if there is a God or not. Just use critical and logical thinking. Thats what i do and i have come up with many many reasons to disprove God. They are all as credible as the likes of Plato etc. just simpler.
*Also someone answer me this: If God is omniscent (all knowing) why did he make me and others Athiest if he knows i will go to hell yet he is supposed to love us?*
@alex – I think about God and religion alot as its a big question in life, i.e. what happens when we die. I also go to a christian school so i am forced to hear about God everyday. As well as this i don’t like what religion does to the world, it does alot of good but also alot of bad e.g. wars and terrorism, so its on my mind every so often.
Tom I think you are missing my point. You have analyzed people their believes in God, as you say, so how can you draw conclusions from this about something that is, or is not? Believes cannot be noticed in terms of being or not being.
It is like I would say that I want a red sportscar, and you would try to convince me that lions are animals. What is the point of the discussion when we are talking about two different things?
Hope you get my point.
Well, you guys are fucking kidding me. Critical thinking is part of philosophy.
@tom, “*Also someone answer me this: If God is omniscent (all knowing) why did he make me and others Athiest if he knows i will go to hell yet he is supposed to love us?*”
I reject a personified explanation of god specifically because it causes too much confusion. I prefer the Hinduism versions of Gods, and Brahman.
I look at the way people argue and talk about religion much in the same way people talk about music or movies, and others celebrities. The reason religion and this topic causes much more drama then the others is because it directly goes for the big questions, whereas a movie will look at one particular part of the human experience. You use logic to disprove god, but my personal logic tells me there is a god. Of course, logic is also a flawed thought process too. Logic is imperfect, along with everything else that it is to be human.
I personally don’t think it matters if you believe or not in god, because its a concept you cannot ignore if you truly care about existence. The concept is there regardless of belief. Like love. Everyone has a different definition of love, but we don’t all argue if love exists.
The higher dimensions create the lower dimensions, not the other way around. It’s all a big distraction though. Based on the idea that if god does exist, and he made it so there is atheists and theists, then I really doubt it’ll matter much if we argue about it forever. We could just move on to better things though, and agree to disagree. We’ve got plenty of moral issues to take care of first. ;)
We always see things as one of two posibilities, where only one can be true of the two. Either God exists or he doesnt. The thing with a limitless being is it is not limited by this rule that it can only be one or the other, God can both exist and not exist simultaneously because he is not contrained by what we believe possible or impossible.Anyone who is so sure it is one or the other is not seeing the full picture. In fact anyone who does not see it can be both is not seeing the full picture.
I don’t know who are these “we” people, but not being objective can surely cripple your process. If a point of view matters, then all points of view matter by deducting the non-relevant and non-rational.
It’s pathetic to say what is NOT.
So, show people the full picture.
“We” is beings who have a limited view on everything, seeing the full picture is what you do, not what I do for you, you show it to yourself. I am showing that there are possibilities we always neglect because we have this boundary called limitations and we have words like impossible.
All spiritual teachings point to the same truth about existence. It is just different characters all playing the same roles, teaching the same absolute truths. You don’t necessarily need to subscribe to any specific religion in order to be someone who is spiritually guided, nor do you have to be spiritually guided to know the deep underlying truths about life.
To say it is just one way or the other is identification with a mental label (ego, form, etc.). The teachings of all religions are all sacred, yet outdated. They were stories because humanity was incapable of understanding the meaning of life with the technology that they had available (yeah… like we come even close now. haaaa!). Religion and science could basically point to the same truths by using different terms. (what’s a word anyways? ponder that one..)
We may never know. What we need to do is stop trying to prove and disprove whether or not God exists because it would be arrogant to think that someday humans could stumble on his doorstep and ring the doorbell saying “HEY GOD! What’s up!?”. That or at the very least we need to stop being so sensitive/critical of your own or others views on it and accept it for what it is. All spiritual teachings from indigenous to Christianity are beautiful in their message. We just managed to mess this all up because well.. we’re human. :)
I will leave with this quote by Eckhart Tolle in his book “The Power Of Now”. Very powerful book if you are looking for something thought provoking and engaging.
“The word God has become empty of meaning through thousands of years of misuse. I use it sometimes, but I do so sparingly. By misuse, I mean that people who have never even glimpsed at the realm of the sacred, the infinite vastness behind that word, use it with great conviction, as if they knew what they are talking about. Or, they argue against it, as if they knew what it is that they are denying. This misuse gives rise to absurd beliefs, assertions, and egoic delusions, such as “My or our God is the only true God, and your God is false,” or Neitzche’s famous statement “God is dead”
Peace and love to all!
This thread is about me, just want you all to know I’m here. Currently hangin’ out. Just chillin, watching you mortals… No need praying, I know everything.
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