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ELI var namnet (@manimal)    2 years, 7 months ago

In Jungian Psychology and many esoteric teachings about the mind there is a concept known as the shadow. In other teachings there is the core/higher self vs the ego/false identity. The latter is pretty much the same as the shadow, in this context. These concepts must be understood in order to understand emotion, since they’re the foundation and source.

Emotion is something that rises from your core, to be expressed into the world. Reaction is when something external triggers a defense mechanism in your ego. Every emotion has a shadow replica, a reaction. And today, almost nobody knows how to tell the replica from the real deal, because we’re taught from an early age that they’re the exact same thing, which they’re really not.

An emotion is not a selfish craving for power, validation or security, it’s an urge to express something into the world, with good intention. It’s a good thing. Feelings such as anger, sadness, or jealousy are the reactions I’m talking about. They’re all a selfish groping for temporary security, validation and power from outside yourself. A desperate clinging to your mental status quo. An addiction, simply put.

Let’s take love as an example. Love, the emotion, is a good flow from your core that can only be expressed, it is quite unconditional. But the "love" most people talk about, the one you see in the movies, is nothing like this. That "love" is all about wanting validation, wanting to own another person, wanting this person to give you attention, praise and material things. It’s a craving to leech off of another person.

Like Lester Levenson says: The vast majority of people’s concept of love is actually hate, more or less. "I need you, I must have you, I can’t live without you, you’re mine," is all non-love.

People like Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi and Mother Theresa come to mind, who spread the message of real love in their times. Buddha is also en example of someone who taught about these reactions and how stupid they are, as is Jesus. Gandhi did it too, but in a more subtle way.

Remember how I said every emotion has a shadow replica, well here’s a short list of emotions and their respective shadow replicas (reactions.)

Love/desire/passion – Addiction/lust
Joy – Pleasure
Determination – Stubbornness
Confidence – Cockiness/close-mindedness
Rage – Anger/wrath
Ambition – Envy/Greed/Gluttony
Glory – Pride
Calm – Sloth/boredom
Compassion – Sadness
Respect – Fear

See how the 7 deadly sins/cardinal vices are right there on the right side? And you know that "every feeling stems from love or fear" saying, well it’s fully compatible with this as well. Reactions stem from fear, Emotions stem from love. Reactions are all about yourself, your ego. Emotion is not. All these teachings really fit together, even though they’re worded differently and come from different eras and parts of the world.

Now, whenever you stray from the left side (be honest, most of you spend most of your time on the right side) you’re causing yourself and others harm, that’s what hell and karma are all about. The right hand side IS pain, just like the Buddhists say. Everything on the right side has a recoil effect, whenever you get angry or greedy or cocky you suffer for it, and so do those you victimize with your pathetic bullshit. Whenever you stray from the left side, you’re being a leech.

Staying on the left hand is what virtue is all about. Not only is it right and feels great, but it also pays off. Stepping into the right side is, frankly put, retarded. So, pay attention to your reactions, and break them. This is what will set you free and make you truly high on life.

Peace //Elion, your friendly neighbourhood manimal

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 7 months ago ago

manimal i agree with what you say except except that you have a few of the words on the list i dont understand.
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how is rage the opposite of anger or wrath. for me rage is the reaction of the emotion of anger or wrath.
for me anger and hatred are about the opposite of love

confidence. i would say more self destruction than cockiness

calm.. agitation

joy i would say boredom or disinterest, even sadness not pleasure. but i think i know what you mean here. like pleasure is just taking joy for yourself and not sharing it.

good to keep this things in mind. i have angel cards with these attibutes and devil cards with the opposites. we have a family custom to pull each of us one angel and one devil card on friday evening and discuss this.at dinner. we have done this since the kids were small. our family is very versed in such discussions.

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 7 months ago ago

manimal i agree with what you say except except that you have a few of the words on the list i dont understand.
forexample
how is rage the opposite of anger or wrath. for me rage is the reaction of the emotion of anger or wrath.
for me anger and hatred are about the opposite of love

confidence. i would say more self destruction than cockiness

calm.. agitation

joy i would say boredom or disinterest, even sadness not pleasure. but i think i know what you mean here. like pleasure is just taking joy for yourself and not sharing it.

good to keep this things in mind. i have angel cards with these attibutes and devil cards with the opposites. we have a family custom to pull each of us one angel and one devil card on friday evening and discuss this.at dinner. we have done this since the kids were small. our family is very versed in such discussions.

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Steven (@steven)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I think you may question that belief when you are actually thrown in a concentration camp, but i dont know

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Steven (@steven)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I think you may question that belief when you are actually thrown in a concentration camp, but i dont know

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Peter (@searchingforthetruth)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I think you need to explain more of emotion and shadow reactions in situational context. I see where you are making your points, buts its somewhat difficult to relate to these. For me, you really nailed the “love” concept in the 4th paragraph. Cool post.

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Tony (@emjay)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I agree… Sort of…
Personally I think that emotions CAN be controlled, but it takes time and A LOT of will power. And the constant seeking of self improvement.
While all those emotions you mentioned are inevitable, they can be controlled. and we can stay in that MID-PATH. But thats where the hard work is, isnt it Manimal? LEARNING how to stay in the middle.

My way of doing it is just always being in the moment. Being THERE, analyzing the situation at HAND, not thinking of the 10,000 that could of happened or didnt happen, or would of happened, or should of happened.. Because these things send you off into ‘false realities’ which trigger false emotions, which you think are how you SHOULD feel. But they are not.

Here’s an example:

I left my shop keys on the counter, and 4 buddies came over. 1 left and 10 minutes later another. So I go for my keys, but theyre gone. Immediately I ask my 2 buddies, ”Hey did u guys see my keys?”.. SImple question right?
Well, one of them starts going off, ”Nah man, I didnt take them. I bet that one guy took them, hes a real thief, man you shoulda checked his pockets”…
Easily I could of agreed, and gone mad… But I analyzed the situation. Didnt go off into ‘Possibility World’.. I calmly said ”Relax kid, let me call this other dude”.. Sure enough, my other buddy took them by mistake.
Point being, you gotta ALWAYS be in the moment to react in the way YOU WANT TO react. And hopefully, thats the way of the ‘intermediate’ path.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I agree with this post. It’s true that most people confuse their emotions with their reactions. It’s all about energy. When two people first fall in love, there is a mutual transfer of energy there, but after that initial falling in love period, the two people begin to fight over the energy. Most people are half circles trying to connect with other half circles, and if you put enough stress on that, both sides will cave.
People need to be circles. Self consistent, self containing, before any of this ‘real love’ shit can go down. It can’t be an energy struggle! You cannot be addicted to others energies.
Consider the soul to be a circle like Plato said. Put that over a graph. 0,0 being the origin, being the true self. Our waking consciousness and ego is upwards of 0,0. It’s all in the ‘positive’ the 1,1 line and up. Everything below the 0,0 point (self) is hidden from us. Even our true selves are hidden. It contains all the things we suppress from ourselves (call it the shadow), and our Animus (which is the foundation in which your consciousness starts)
The way I feel it works is that beneath our waking consciousness, our true self, our shadow, and our animus work together to project the reality around you, and that is the image your ego sees. We feed our egos. Get rid of the ego, and start to know your true self.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 7 months ago ago

“A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality.” -John Lennon

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Jason (@thinknowlivenow)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Your emotions are the catalyst for action and reaction; thought and action are essentially playing “volleyball” with emotion.

I made a great podcast discussing this very topic, I think most of you guys will really dig this one: http://www.thinknowlivenow.com/media

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stonedragon (@stonedragon21)2 years, 7 months ago ago

thank you jason i listened to your talk. it was very clear and help ful with that in mind now im going to mop my floor!!

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Jason (@thinknowlivenow)2 years, 7 months ago ago

No problem, I’m glad it helped!

Emotion truly is the deciding factor. Since results can only occur with initial action, it is vital to choose to think and feel positive. By doing so, you empower yourself to take intelligent action towards your goal/aspiration. By doing the opposite and thinking/feeling negative, we blind ourselves to progress because of expectation and attachment to a particular outcome.

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Mikey W (@mikeyw829)2 years, 7 months ago ago

“An emotion is not a selfish craving for power, validation or security, it’s an urge to express something into the world, with good intention. It’s a good thing. Feelings such as anger, sadness, or jealousy are the reactions I’m talking about.”

If you have emotions, then wouldn’t you always have the potential to express its counterpart (reactions)? I think they are one in the same and are both selfish.

Outside of emotion/reaction, which are both ego oriented, I think there exists states of mind, which do not have a negative counterpart.

Emotions are fleeting and for the most part pointless and can easily manifest themselves as what you term reactions

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@Mike “If you have emotions, then wouldn’t you always have the potential to express its counterpart (reactions)? I think they are one in the same and are both selfish.”

A reaction is not a chosen expression of anything, it’s just a “defense” mechanism.

True emotion is not ego-oriented at all, it’s a pure expression from the core into the world.

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Jason (@thinknowlivenow)2 years, 7 months ago ago

“My way of doing it is just always being in the moment. Being THERE, analyzing the situation at HAND, not thinking of the 10,000 that could of happened or didnt happen, or would of happened, or should of happened.. Because these things send you off into ‘false realities’ which trigger false emotions, which you think are how you SHOULD feel. But they are not.

Point being, you gotta ALWAYS be in the moment to react in the way YOU WANT TO react. And hopefully, thats the way of the ‘intermediate’ path.”

You got it Tony! Freewill choice is the ultimate pre-condition for the events that unfold in our daily lives.

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Mikey W (@mikeyw829)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@ manimal.. I see what you’re saying. I guess our major difference comes down to the definition of what emotion is. I see emotion as anything ego-oriented. For example the love for validation that you talk about in the original post, we would both agree is an ego-oriented emotion. The person might see it as positive, but it really isn’t.

Another example of this is say you win an argument, and get a feeling of confidence and satisfaction. That is an ego dominated emotion, even though it feels positive. Those emotions would easily turn into resentment and a feeling of inferiority once you lose an argument.

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Mikey W (@mikeyw829)2 years, 7 months ago ago

So I guess what you think of as emotion, I think of as’state of mind’. It has no negative counterpart.

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Exist (@exist)2 years, 7 months ago ago

The way I see reaction.

React = re-act = Relating the feelings you experience right now to a time in the past, making assumptions and judgements and allowing your mind/body to automate your actions in response to external stimuli. In other words, re-acting out the past.

Response = Not relating the feelings to anything in the past, nor labelling them. Allowing them to pass and seeing what is actually happening, not just assuming something from the past is actually true.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@Exist I agree fully.

A reaction is a re-action, you bring back a response you’ve learned in the past and just press play on tape, and it’s all done unconsciously.

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Dick (@dick)1 year, 7 months ago ago

Emotions are primal and exist because they help us survive. How we react to an emotion is based on our thoughts and/or beliefs, and it determines whether we live or die.
With fear it’s easy to train your reaction. All you have to do is imagine “what would I do if ______ happened?” By having gone through the scenario in your head you will get past the emotion quickly and getting on with whatever needs to be done.
Love and joy simply exist in the absence of fear. The rest of your list @manimal aren’t emotions, they are states of mind we get in when we are chasing love and joy or running from fear.

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