Everything Happens for a Reason?

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luigi (@luigiblue)    10 months, 3 weeks ago

Everything happens for a reason? Do you believe in it?

I used to be an advocate of the "Everything happens for a reason" excuse but then I realized, is that all it is, an excuse?

Every time something doesn’t go our way we immediately use the excuse instead of trying harder, we immediately quit, thinking that it was meant to be. But is it? I was recently in a situation where at first it wasn’t going my way and I was about to say "O well, everything happens for a reason" but then I stopped and said " NO, fuck it, I want this and I’m going harder after it, if it’s going to happen it will happen because I make it, not because I believed somehow it will eventually happen" and guess what, it worked. I have a friend that uses the phrase so often its lost all meaning. He gives up on everything because he always believes it happened for a reason and that’s my question,

do you believe in letting the universe unfold as it should or do you believe in fighting for what you believe in and what you want in order to make it happen?

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Ellie (@tangledupinplaid21)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I used to be opposed to that saying for the same reason… It seemed like an excuse as well as a meaningless phrase to cling onto for comfort in adverse situations. Then I realized that though that is one way to interpret the saying, it can also have an exactly opposite meaning.. You can make everything have a reason or purpose by finding motivation from downfalls. For example I couldn’t find work for a long time and started getting down on myself about it, but it only opened the door for me to find a job I really like, when I would’ve been working at a restaurant otherwise(I did the food industry for too long and started hating it) since those are all the first places I applied that. So me getting denied by 20 other places happened for a reason, but only because I chose to see it that way. I could have said “damn I guess I’m unhire-able” and assumed that being jobless was also happening for a reason…. I’m kinda rambling now but hopefully you see my point.

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SomethingWitty (@mynameisjosh)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I used to be a bit of a fatalist as well… but now I believe it’s just something that people say to reassure themselves– and that’s fine; everyone needs a little pick-me-up maxim, but you shouldn’t let it become your predominant world view.

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1.61803399 (@drunkmonkmeth)2 years, 8 months ago ago

If you’re not trying to do the things you imagine, then what is imagination to you?

If you wait around for shit to happen it might, but it probably wont.

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Euro (@intellectualblasphemy)2 years, 8 months ago ago

@luigi I do think that everything happens for a reason, but I don’t think we see it the same way.
For example, I believe that most (if not all) things are outside our control and we just have to deal with them. But the way you wrote it, it seems like you might be talking about something greater, as if everything in your life is predetermined and you shouldn’t do anything to change it, because whatever made it that way has more.. authority or something like that, am I right?
If so, how do you decide when to put your will in the game?

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Kolleen Eva (@kolleeneva)2 years, 8 months ago ago

I have a hard time believing that everything happens for a reason becuase I dont want to think that I have no control on how I live my own life. I think that as long as people try to make the best of their life at a particular moment then it will lead you to the right path and have a happier life. Especially if you grew up in a household like mine. My parents didnt push me in any direction, they were happy for me no matter what I chose to do. And chose I did, ive done many things in my life already and I feel like some people dont trust their own decisions so they wouldnt have gotten as many oppurtunities that ive had. If they are waiting for someone else to make the decisions for them because they think that it will all fall into place maybe it won’t. someone once told me that insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result i feel like this could be applied to someone who is looking for a different outlook on life. The statement everything happens for a reason is a logical statement. I mean people usually have reasons for doing whatever it is they are doing at the very moment, i guess in my mind it just comes down to what are those reasons??

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Kevin (@benly150)2 years, 8 months ago ago

Everything happens for a reason is not a good way to look at things. A new one I picked up that I like much better and ads great meaning to everything that happens to me is that, “Everything that happens to you, is the best possible thing that can happen to you.” In other words every situation you go through will be good for you in the long run. I picked this out of the book “ZEN and the art of happiness.” In this book it is explained, that the universe is out to better itself every step of the way. everything in the universe, including us, come from the same origin, whatever that may be. That makes us one with the universe, so therefore the universe is for us, not against us. Even when something shitty happens, it will benefit us in the long run. So everything that happens is the best possible outcome for your life! it’s not for some amazing reason that things happen, it’s to benefit you in the long run!

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Luly (@luly)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Well I’m a believer that everything happens for a reason but at the same time you have to make things happens, because in the end you are the engine that moves you own life. There is a reason for everything, but that does not mean that that reason cannot be your own will. And if there is something happening that you don’t like then change it, maybe that something is there to tell you ” wake the fuck up and start moving, if you want things to change.”

I agree with @kevin “Everything that happens to you, is the best possible thing that can happen to you.”

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Sean D Stevens (@thelaughingfool)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I do believe that everything happens for a reason. For this to not be true, it means that events happen with no pretext. However, if something “bad” happens to you, you say “It must have happened for a reason”, and not bother trying to interrupt what that reason is, that’s just intellectual laziness. Essentially, “Everything happens for a reason” and “Everything that happens happens so you can become better” are the same statement, but the latter challenges you to explore what is happening to you.
On the concept of fatalism, I do not believe that free-will exists in the scientific world. In the spiritual world, free-will is something you need to earn through hard work.

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CosmicLemonade (@cosmiclemonade)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Everything happens for the reason you give it.

It seems everything comes full circle, it seems.

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Ray Butler (@trek79)2 years, 7 months ago ago

There is an actual scientific principle called “Cause and effect” which states that every action has an equal yet opposite reaction. Kind of like the idea that energy does not die it only changes its form.
However, reactions, effects, may have a reason as for the original action, cause, that began it, I think random bad shit happens all the time. Something may motivate it or it may be purely a scientific cause but as for some kind of moral reason or justification for bad shit, you may find that in religion but not in science.
As for the universe unfolding as it should or fighting, I believe evolution always results in something better. If it is not better it does not survive and is more a dead-end mutation. I think either we fight or we do not, either way evolution will naturally improve us. Regardless of the means, the end will be the same (give or take time).

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Michael (@mklrivpwner)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Well, it depends on which way you look at it?
“Everything happens for a reason” could mean that some reason in the past caused something to happen. In which case, I say “yes.” There is some cause and effect reason for things to happen. We may not know all of the causes (we call those things “random” or “law” or “probability”), but there is some reason. However, we may or may not have some degree of control over our immediate circumstance and how those events resolve.
“Everything happens for a reason” could mean that there is some “lesson” (some future reason) to learn from any situation. This seems to presuppose some sort of external design, which may or may not directly interact with our individual existences.
My own personal feelings on the matter is; “Superstitious people have bad luck.” That is to say, people who believe in “luck” or “fate” or whatever you want to call it will blame “bad” things on such, and pretend like there is something better coming or some lesson to learn to “balance” the scales. These same people struggle day in and day out to make good things happen in their lives or “earn” the good life. IMHO, these people are losing out on real opportunities to let real things happen in their lives. Good things and bad things, good events and bad events don’t exist. There are just things, and sometimes things happen. That’s the way it’s been since the beginning. And that’s the way it will always be. Since the first explosion of existence, through to the last dissolution of matter, things happen, things are, and then more things happen and things are not.
By stopping your struggle to cause certain things and avoid others, you can experience and appreciate the truest nature of the things that are.

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Kevin (@benly150)2 years, 7 months ago ago

How about this; Everything that happens, has a lesson, and it is up to you to fully understand that lesson, to make things happen the way you want them to happen.

Example. I can be easily frustrated whilst driving, by crappy drivers, traffic, having to pee, being tired, hungry, etc….

So every time I feel myself getting frustrated when traffic appears, or a light turns red when I’m in a hurry, it is a lesson for me to chill the heck out, and shrug it off, because in the end, it isn’t a big deal.

Now when I have learned fully accepted this lesson, when I am stuck behind a super slow driver, I have to remember all the past times when I exploded and realize nothing has changed besides my shitty attitude. Remembering this, I accept my situation and smile instead, remembering that it doesn’t really matter that a sow driver is in front of me.

Life is one big lesson that we can either choose to conquer as best as we can, or let it conquer us. Everything that happens is so that you can conquer it and become a better person.

So does everything happen for a reason? Yes.

The reason is for you to become a better person, physically, mentally and emotionally. That’s why events both good and bad happen in your life. It’s like a computer upgrade to who you are. You can either improve or you can crash. It’s all up to you.

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Jordaine Gepp (@jjsurfer)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Evidentally, things do happen for a reason. But when something bad happens and we are able to whip back around and say no, this isn’t how this was suppose to happen, we are becoming a better person. We are fighting for what we want and I’m almost positive that that is suppose to happen. But only some of us actually have the ability and strength to keep going and fight on, Because THAT”S what WE are SUPPOSE to do.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 7 months ago ago

Everything that happens to me happens for a reason. The reason is: I made it happen, or I didn’t make it not happen. This goes for everything. Things that don’t happen to me don’t happen because I didn’t make them happen. This is what responsibility and awareness is all about.

Your purpose and destiny are decided by yourself. They are simply the goals you make for yourself, conciously or unconciously. It’s all you. Everything that happens to you is what you made happen, or what you didn’t make not happen.

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Alex (@hollowinfinity)2 years, 7 months ago ago

I’m kinda agreeing with you manimal. What happens to you is what you made happen, but I look at it in a larger scale. There are some things out of your ‘individual’ control, completely but you still have influence. You can decide your personal fate, but collectively as a human consciousness we decide our fate together in bigger terms, and because of that, some things are just out of our individual control.
Does the universe decide its own fate?

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 7 months ago ago

@Alex Yes, you can only fully control the things that concern your life situation.

About the shared human fate: it’s not what we decide together, it’s the sum of what every individual decides. It’s all about the individuals. Be the change and all that jazz.

Nothing is ever personal, there is no personal fate. There is your life, and there’s what you do with it, that’s all there ever is in your life.

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frank (@knarf188)1 year, 10 months ago ago

@luigiblue, they aren’t mutually exclusive. You can fight to all heaven to get something, and if you don’t get it then it is beyond your power to get, which would mean it was meant to be in a logical sense. The problem then becomes if you use this as an excuse not to do something then to argue whether or not it was meant to be is a pointless philosophical argument over whether there is predestination or not. Moral is: try

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Quinn (@parallaxq)1 year ago ago

Seems to me Everything happens for a reason means about the same as “when one door closes another one opens” I also think of it saying “for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction “

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Psychonaut (@psychonaut)1 year ago ago

@luigiblue, If you are to agree that everything happens for a reason then you are essentially accepting the teleological argument as binding. Such that reason is used synonymous to purpose. A fortiori, you are acknowledging and accepting a form of ontological pre-determinism.
I don’t believe the former because as subjective beings we are confined by our perceptual and intellectual capacities; reason is simply that which we believe to be reason. With regards to the latter I do believe there is a predetermined ontology, though one lacking in meaning or purpose.

@tangledupinplaid21, I absolutely adore your artwork, you have exceptional talent! I’m looking forward to seeing some more :)

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luigi (@luigiblue)12 months ago ago

I appreciate that people are still commenting on this thread but It’s a little old haha. Over a year old. My views have changed dramatically since then.

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Mystique (@kayjay85)10 months, 3 weeks ago ago

@luigiblue, what are your views on this now, a year later?

“Everything happens for a reason” is another exclamation for “fate” and “destiny” and “cause and effect”. It all means the same thing. But when you think about it, it all started somewhere. Energy moves on, changes form, but does not die, like previous posts said. I do believe in this topic, but after much research, YOU ARE THE CAUSE OF ALL THAT HAPPENS TO YOU, no matter how you look at it.

Cause and effect is the simplest and easiest way to explain it. A quote says, “Be mindful of the seeds you plant today, as they will become the crop you harvest in the future”.

What you did in the past has some kind of effect on you today.

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Mike (@zugbob)10 months, 3 weeks ago ago

Well everything probably happens for a reason due to the laws of physics and cause and effect. But that reason holds no meaning or intention behind it. If you look at it like this the reason is as meaningful as it would be if everything was random.

Even if somebody creates an event on purpose you may never know what that reason is.

All you can do is go with what you have got. Hope for the best be prepared for the worst.

Should you let the universe unfold or impose your will onto reality and fight hard?
I believe its not on or the other. A balance you need to act and fight for things you want but also be able to let go. Almost holding two opposite ideas at once. You have to accept reality as it is and this means you can’t get everything you want.

“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”

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t-rav (@travis)10 months, 3 weeks ago ago

Everything does happen for a reason. To get the experience of it. Then you decide what to do with that experience.

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