Fate or coincidences?

2 years, 4 months ago

So lately I’ve been wondering about whether something that keeps popping up is fate, or is it just sheer coincidence. I’m a spiritual person and I believe in fate, but I define in a different term that most people aren’t used to. When I say “fate” to people, they seem to automatically assume that I mean every little thing they do is a plan of fate, like they only have one path for them. When I say fate I mean that you have the free will of creating your own fate, depending on which course you want to choose. For example, at one point of my life I had to choose what college I wanted to go to. It was my own free will on which one I would go to, but whichever one I would choose would create a new road on my journey leading me into different life lessons than the other choice. The road that I would choose would have it’s own fate and “decide” on which life lessons it would decide for me to learn.

Now that you know what kind of fate I am talking about, you can probably deduct how I am having problems understanding whether certain things are fate, or if it is just a coincidence. Lately I have been going through a lot of synchronicity with Eagles, Lions, and Griffins. I can’t tell if it’s just a coincidence and my mind has just been consciously picking up on these details because now I am more aware, or if it’s fate’s way of telling me that I am on the right path and this was all supposed to happen. I would love to explain on what the animals/creatures mean, but it way too long of a story. If you want to know just ask on a post. I just really want to know what you think about the two. Do you believe in fate or coincidences?

07.24.2012 at 10:39 am

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Profile photo of Beni Beni (@beniandtheuniverse) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

I use the term ‘signs’ a lot. To me it means I am most definitely on the right path because my energy is attracting more and more ‘signs’ which could absolutely be in the form of crazy coincidence.

If you say coincidence as if it’s something to laugh at and move on but it has no meaning then yeah I definitely don’t think that’s the case. To me coincidence means something and I do kind of interpret it as being on the right path or being aligned with great energy.

For instance, you talk about the symbolism of the lions, eagles and griffins. If you think of your situation as your inside (relating to the creatures, knowledge of the creatures, general fascination with them) and your outside (the creatures manifesting themselves in your reality, coincidences, signs and the like) then you could look at it as two frequencies matching up in harmony. Must be doing something right.

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Profile photo of Spirit Child Spirit Child (@xxinfinityxdeltaxx) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

That makes a lot of sense. I usually use the word “signs” a lot as well. I feel like subconsciously I have been classifying these reoccurring symbols as signs, but sometimes my realistic side pops up and wonders if I am just making this a bigger deal than it should be. I have read about synchronicity on this site and learned something that makes a lot of sense. Basically once you consciously learn about a “sign” following you, your brain makes a note of it and picks it out every time you see a sign, which becomes much more different than the times before where you would subconsciously dismiss the sign as nothing.

Although, opposed to what I just said, my intuition tells me that the world around me know that I am on the right path. Lately I’ve been questioning whether I am on the right path, and I feel like this might be the world’s way of saying “Yes, you are”.

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Profile photo of James James (@alljuicedup) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Here’s my question about your philosophy… what seperates a “free will” choice with something that is fated?

You say picking a college was free will and depending on which one you choose, it would result in a different set of life lessons and what not. So what makes the choice of college the free will choice and the resuling path the “fated” part? Why do you not believe you were fated to pick the college you did?

Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Are you implying that all your choices are free will? If so, how do you then call something that happens as a result of those choices (the life lessons and what not) fate? If picking the college you go to is free will and it sets you on a fated path towards certain lessons, wouldn’t every single choice you make after that set you on a different fated path? I guess I’m just having trouble reconsiling the obvious paradoxes in your philosophy. If your choices result in different paths, that is the exact opposite of fate. You aren’t being set on a path, you are creating the path and then looking back and seeing the trail you created and calling it fate like it was always there. How does one go about creating fate? As far as I understand it, your “fate” would only last until the next choice you make. But we make so so so many choices all the time, that that’s not really saying anything at all. You might as well say we are fated for anything and everything, because there are practically an infinate amount of paths you could end up on from the the time you are born. In which case, you are just saying that we decide our own lives, which brings me back to my original point, that your description of your philosophy seems to contradict the concept of fate. It’s not fate that you faced the challenges you did and learned the lessons you learned, it was by the very definition, your own free will and choices!

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@xxinfinityxdeltaxx, Why do you limit your options to free will and coincidence? Perhaps it is both. Perhaps it is neither.

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Profile photo of James James (@alljuicedup) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@martingutsch, while my personal belief is in determinism and that free will is an illusion, I don’t necessarily agree that everything is “predetermined”. I believe everything is cause and effect, but that doesn’t preclude true randomness from existing and altering the ultimate effect.

As far as we know, there is randomness is quantum mechanics (however it is possible we just aren’t advanced enough to detect the patterns, but as of now is hasn’t been proven otherwise). Which means that while I ultimately don’t have free will and couldn’t have made any different choice than I did in that moment, or the outcome of some event couldn’t have been different, it wasn’t really “fated” to be the way it turned out either. It was purely a result of the laws of the universe combined with true randomness. Which is neither free will nor fate.

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Profile photo of James James (@alljuicedup) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

lol, perhaps we are randomly swerving gears!

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Profile photo of Spirit Child Spirit Child (@xxinfinityxdeltaxx) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

I know that my idea might be confusing, but I do believe that I believe in both free will and fate, and they both go hand in hand with each other. The best way I can describe my belief system is that it is like a tree. You have the stump (which is the start of your life) and it breaks out to branches and branches and even more branches, depending on which path you choose, leading you to different life lessons (aka effects). I am a firm believer of reincarnation and past lives, which also backs up my idea on why we have multiple lives (in order to learn infinite life lessons and to create your soul as beautifully as possible).

I created this post to understand and read about your ideas, and so far I have enjoyed reading through all of them while all of them make sense. Do you have any stories or back ups behind your beliefs whether it be fate, free will, both, or neither? I would love to learn and read about them!

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Profile photo of James James (@alljuicedup) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Well for me personally, I tend to view things in a more scientific way, which is why determinism (for simplicity’s sake, we’ll just call it the absense of free will) strikes a chord with me. There is fascinating research in biology/neurology, physics, etc that appears to hint at the universe being deterministic. And it seems the more knowledgeable we become about the nature of reality as a whole, the stronger the argument for determinism gets.

I’ll link you to some of the stuff (a couple podcasts, blogs, etc) that originally intrigued me if I get a chance later and remember.

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Profile photo of Spirit Child Spirit Child (@xxinfinityxdeltaxx) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

@alljuicedup, That would be amazing! I’d love to learn about the scientific things about these things. I am concentrating science for college and I feel like that would be beneficial to learn.

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