Feminism: Shaving legs.
Alright, so being a feminist, it’s not necessarily easy in this country. As an individual, I live by what I believe in, and I do not try to push my beliefs unto others. I don’t shave my legs, despite the fact that I’m a woman. I feel like it’s unnecessary, seeing as i wouldn’t expect a man to shave his legs. in my eyes, a woman shaving her legs is purely for pleasure purposes: women are supposed to be soft, supple, sexy, aesthetically appealing, (for the pleasure of any eyes that lay on them, men OR women). And i don’t think that’s my goal as a woman on this planet! the reason i speak so much about it is i constantly get a handful of men, MEN, who will speak with me and say “shave your legs”. no not even a “you should shave your legs,” a “SHAVE YOUR LEGS”. Like who the fuck are you? Get the fuck out of my face you misogynist bastard. A guy told me it was not hygienic, and thank you for the health lesson babe but, I shower daily. isn’t it just as unhygienic for men not to shave then? contradiction after contradiction after fucking contradiction. Women seem to not like it either as they say well that’s cool but i’m gonna keep shaving, and that’s fine, but the women i meet aren’t as passionate about feminism as i am. all i have to ask is, why does it matter to so many people? why cant i just do my own thing? fucking damn.
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@paolavecuriosidad, Ok…. good for you?
You didn’t leave much to start a discussion with, so I’ll ask a question. You say that you don’t think shaving your legs (or being pleasing to look at) is your goal as a woman on this planet.
So what is your goal?
@paolavecuriosidad, I could be wrong, but it looks like you have makeup on in your picture, and no uni-brow.. What is different about those two things and the leg shaving? Isn’t the goal of makeup and eyebrow maintenance essentially to be aesthetically pleasing?
@paolavecuriosidad, This thread reminded me that I really need to shave because I keep forgetting and I’ll be getting a detention soon at school. (randomly strict conduct rules at my school when everything else is ridiculously lax)
Monkeys and other primates have lots of hair – then there’s us with not much hair – I wonder if, if we were to evolve for another few thousand years, we’d lose all our hair?
This may sound weird – but people who care too much about how they look put me off. If someone shaves their legs lots and spends aggees with make up and stuff I don’t like it very much.
I remember in some survey thing a few-percent-over-half of women preferred men that looked feminine (shaving leg hair etc) and the rest preferred men that looked masculine (beards etc). It’s be funny if half of guys liked women that looked all masculine with hairy bodies hahah.
When I was in high school I used to run cross country. Homeboys kept saying that if you shaved your legs you’d run faster, me being a dude didn’t want to do it but ended up doing it anyway for a race. It was the 1 mile race, my best record ever was 5:53, my time after the race was 5:38. Yeah, who knew that shaving my legs would improve my speed. Just thought I’d input this story in your post.
@paolavecuriosidad, “Women seem to not like it either as they say well that’s cool but i’m gonna keep shaving, and that’s fine, but the women i meet aren’t as passionate about feminism as i am.”
Real Feminism doesn’t deal with body hair. Here’s your problem, if it really doesn’t bother you, shouldn’t it be understood that you ignore criticism? I don’t think this post is about Feminism at all. I think it’s about insecurity.
Perhaps a better comparison would be men shaving their faces, something most men do on a daily or almost daily basis. This is again primarily to make themselves more appealing to women as most women do not like beards. Or maybe an even better example would be back hair.
@paolavecuriosidad, My girlfriend doesn’t shave her armpits or her legs, and I find it extremely sexy, personally. The only reason men (and women) prefer women to shave is because that is considered more feminine and more attractive. It’s all really just social conditioning. It’s cultural. Nothing more. It’s what people are told is attractive over the course of their lives.
@paolavecuriosidad, Social conditioning.
I think hairy arm pits are really sexy on girls, so if you have the confidence to rock that shit, bless your soul. I’m still a slave to the razor but I’m extremely lazy about it. I compromise by not shaving my thighs. The hair is pretty light up there so it’s less noticeable. However my boyfriend likes smooth legs so I told him he can shave my legs each day if it means that much to him. He agreed. We’ll see how long that lasts! :)
@paolavecuriosidad, “Alright, so being a feminist, it’s not necessarily easy in this country.”
-It’s not supposed to be. And if you really believe want something, it shouldn’t even matter how “easy” it is.
“As an individual, I live by what I believe in, and I do not try to push my beliefs unto others.”
-So what’s the point of this post? Contradiction? Not hating, it’s only natural to want to be heard and see if you can get people on your side.
I don’t mind that, but I don’t like lies. Why do you even feel a reason for it?
“I don’t shave my legs, despite the fact that I’m a woman.”
-See this is a strange thing to say. Where’s the law that says women should shave their legs? Why even bring it up like that?
“I feel like it’s unnecessary, seeing as i wouldn’t expect a man to shave his legs. in my eyes, a woman shaving her legs is purely for pleasure purposes: women are supposed to be soft, supple, sexy, aesthetically appealing, (for the pleasure of any eyes that lay on them, men OR women).”
-Yes, it is unnecessary. Why are you making such a big deal of it?
“And i don’t think that’s my goal as a woman on this planet!”
-Then don’t. Do what you want. Problem solved.
If people’s views of you matters so much to you, maybe you should contemplate on why you do.
Make up your mind. The glory of realizing your dream, or the lazy comfort of people’s approval? Is that a tough decision?
“the reason i speak so much about it is i constantly get a handful of men, MEN, who will speak with me and say “shave your legs”.”
-Whoa whoa whoa, hold your horses. Those are not men, they’re boys who pretend to be men. It is an insult to our kind that you confuse us with THOSE.
“Get the fuck out of my face you misogynist bastard.”
-Seriously? There’s nothing misogynist about it. A lot of people like shaved legs, doesn’t mean they’re misogynists or anything like it.
I know, the first thing they teach you in feminist school is that everyone you do not agree with is a misogynist, but that just isn’t true.
Don’t be blinded by that rubbish. You’re better than that.
“A guy told me it was not hygienic, and thank you for the health lesson babe but, I shower daily.”
-Showering daily is unhygienic, because it fucks up your skin and makes it nasty. Shaving isn’t very hygienic either. If our bodies in their natural state were unhygienic we wouldn’t have survived.
Hair is there to lead the sweat away so you don’t get rancid pools of fermenting bacteria in your pores. The horn layer of the skin is there to protect against bacteria and wear and tear, without it your skin becomes a cesspool of bacteria and dead skin cells.
That’s why they put perfume in the “hygiene” items, to hide the smell of nasty skin.
“Women seem to not like it either as they say well that’s cool but i’m gonna keep shaving, and that’s fine, but the women i meet aren’t as passionate about feminism as i am.”
-The women I meet aren’t as passionate about islamist fascism as I am.
Now why is that?
Because extremist beliefs and hate campaigns do not appeal to normal people.
“all i have to ask is, why does it matter to so many people?”
-Why does it matter so much to you?
And why does your ideology matter so much to you?
“why cant i just do my own thing?”
-Because you let other people’s disapproval and opinions of you determine your actions. Your choice.
You are free to do what you want. Just do it, fuck what other people think. They’re just haters, bystanders who are afraid of being left behind. So they try to drag everyone else into the dirt with them. Scumbags.
I am neither misogynist nor chauvinist or anything like that. But seriously, fuck feminism. It’s just a hateful rage campaign. It’s not about equality, it’s about gaining privilege and advantage.
There used to be a healthy women’s lib movement. Now there’s a bunch of flaming feminists stinking up the place and giving the real freedom and equality fighters a bad reputation. Because passive bystanders can’t tell the difference.
You’re doing more harm than good.
Feminism causes more misogyny than anything else.
And it’s so stupid.
You’re an individual. Your life is yours. Ideologists only want to leech from you, use you for their own benefit, making you a stepping stone.
You are not every woman. You are you. Do your thing.
That’s the problem with most women. Too much groupthink, no action, no taking what’s yours. It’s always we, we, we. Always gotta check with the others for approval, always gotta rely on eachother.
Is it any wonder that your predecessors were dominated by men for thousands of years, when all they did was submit, submit, submit. To fucking everything.
Snap out of it. You’re better than that.
Your life is yours. Nothing is for free. Take what’s yours, mind your own business, stand on your own damn legs.
I love women, and I love freedom. But I detest feminism. Because it’s a religion of hatred, bigotry and lies.
@paolavecuriosidad, It’s a very ironic situation.
One side yelling at you to shave your legs.
Another side yelling at you to get mad about it and fight.
Scylla and Carybdis. Trying to draw you in.
Sail straight, there will be no problem.
And so you will inspire others. Showing them what freedom is really about.
You are not just your gender. Not just your species. Not just your beliefs.
You are an individual, your will be done.
@paolavecuriosidad, No one will ever be glad when you’re doing your own thing, unless they too are liberated to do their own thing. It does hurt to be looked upon as some beast tarzan lady but its really your prerogative. It’s also your prerogative to act seductive for your own reasons and shaving your legs doesn’t make you an object. You don’t have any control whether you’re objectified or not. As far as make up, if you eat super healthy and exercise I bet you won’t feel the need to wear it. Healthy skin and eyes are powerfully elegant. And if someone screams at you in public to shave your legs say something like “RAPE YOURSELF”
@paolavecuriosidad, The same reason people do most things, consciously or unconsciously – because it is something the opposite sex are drawn to. If you do the things the opposite sex are drawn to you increase your sexual odds. Don’t do them and you reduce them. Most men don’t find hairy legs on women appealing (although some do).
I shave my face, I pluck my eyebrows, pull hair from my ears and my nose, shave the back of my neck, the top of my back, the bottom of my back, my penis, and my scrotum (which is perhaps the most difficult and potentially dangerous part of the human body to attempt to shave. One slight jerk and I may lose a bollock). I don’t have to do these things, I am just making myself more presentable. There is nothing wrong with grooming – we all do it. Pretty much.
I think there is a balance to be achieved… shaving legs for women is on par with men working out their chest, right? There is no real benefit to either party except the exposure to the opposite (or same for… ya know) sex.
But you can go down this road and eventually deodorant, and other general hygiene will come into question. IF you’re not going to shave your legs, why are you going to wear deodorant? Granted, if you wear pants nobody knows if you shaved your legs or not…
I mean whats the point of wiping your ass, really? Its to appeal to others, right? I mean on some level you probably don’t want to put people into agony with stench, but really its mainly to be ‘presentable and clean’.
Why do we clean our house and vacuum? Why comb and brush your hair? Why clean your face? Why work out the upper body? Why work out your butt?
I think its healthy to have a balance. Its good to REALIZE, ACCEPT, and ADMIT that you are doing some things purely for the acceptance and attention of others – doing it blindly as if its ‘correct’ or ‘morally the right thing to do’ is to me, foolish.
If you want to shave your legs (or men, work out your upper body) Admit you’re superficial and get on with life :).
You choose the rules to play this game.
”why does it matter to so many people? ” – Why does anything matter?
Some people might feel more comfortable or confident doing so. Just as some people feel more significant emphasizing their gender’s equality.
So I have this perspective here, feel me out on this and comment your thoughts:
Women are the more beautiful gender of our species. The first known art in history was a sculpture dating back to 3000BC times of a woman’s curvy body and full breasts (naturally, humans understand fertility=beauty). Don’t get me wrong, men can certainly be beautiful, but typically they are so compelled by the inner and outer beauty of women that they choose to express themselves in a “masculine” manner; the balance of feminine beauty is matched by the masculinity of man.
That said, embrace your womanhood! Express your natural beauty! The only form of societal conformity that is acceptable to me is when a woman meets the beauty standards because doing so is (A) as old as civilization and (B) truly gives you a happy healthy self-identity. Sure society says shave my legs, wear mascara and dress in style…and I do so because I feel gorgeous when I do! Superficial? Not as long as you don’t completely depend on this as a sole means of confidence. Feel beautiful in a nice dress, but also in sweats; the only difference would be the attention you receive, which really wouldn’t matter if you were totally self confident.
My viewpoint is essentially Confucian. Confucius said to “play your role, and play it well”. Women are dazzling creatures by nature- so be it! Use modern technology (razors, a little make-up, fashion) to your benefit in playing up your beauty role.
PS- Moderation of course. Fake boobies? Nah, B.
@paolavecuriosidad, I’ve seen the long term effects of shaving through my mom and my sister and the hair on their legs is really thick. They’re legs never get really smooth again even right after they shave. I personally don’t want that to happen. I stopped while I was ahead. And I may wax them every once in a while but I would much rather my leg hair stay soft. :)
@paolavecuriosidad, I have a saying that no one understands but me “As morality grows, love is diminished”
I say to people on a wide range of topics; hating those who hate is still hate, you are falling into the same trap they are in.
@paolavecuriosidad, I would assume the shaving started or was deemed attractive because women’s legs have a very alluring shape, and seeing them smooth drew more attention and emphasis to the delicate and feminine aesthetic from thigh to toe.
@paolavecuriosidad, Body hair, from an evolutionary standpoint, is due to colder climates, you find people who come from regions that are predominantly warm have less body hair, like Africans.
It is also suggested that early history of man had two hominids, that were closely enough related (common ancestor) to interbreed. That there were these Neanderthal types in Europe and the Sapien types from Africa, and they cross bred to form modern man.
Neanderthals being from the cold north were hairy while the sapiens from tropical regions were hairless, they created offspring that had strengths from both species, but now humans have a range of hairiness from person to person.
Socially, hair has been looked at as both a masculine trait and an uncomfortable reminder of our prehistoric origins, that we have evolved from animals. Certain religions do not like this reminder to be so obvious, hence the cultural trends. If you look at the beard, in some cases it is seen as a sign of strength, dignity, wisdom, but in other cases seen as barbaric, unclean and lower class.
So I believe the beard is the last remaining front for humanity (religions) to hide the fact we are products of evolution. ;)
@paolavecuriosidad, I mean you can do whatever you want. But sadly people are gonna judge no matter what. The majority of the male population enjoy women with shaved legs. It doesnt mean you HAVE to do it. But you don’t have to brush your hair either or your teeth, or wear nice clothes either. Its just more pleasant to others if you do. And one of the main reasons why you dont see the point in shaving your legs is because you dont understand a mans mind just like I dont understand a woman’s mind. The point of any living species on a biological level is to reproduce. So the more attractive you are and the more time you spend making yourself pleasant for others, the more likely your going to be able to find a compatible partner. Now I do think we have completely crossed the line in some ways as far as making ourselves pleasant for others. For example, I hate make up on women. But until the majority of men view makeup the way I do, the majority of women are going to continue wearing it because it gives them a higher chance of reproduction. This is just biologically wired into us. People are also wired to judge you for it on a subconscious level really. Because if your doing something that is seen as unattractive to others on purpose, your lessening our species chance of survival.
And just to make myself clear, not everyone judges so harshly. I don’t judge you or others whatsoever for not shaving. Its your body and your choice!
I think it is none of anyone’s business how much hair one has on their body.
I see men with big hairy backs on the beach…. I don’t shout out at them ‘SHAVE YOUR BACK”. I understand that is their body, that is how they were born, and that is how their hair grows.
Like you said – we are so conditioned to seeing the ‘sleek smooth legs’ of a women, its it expected that women shave their legs. So expected, that should you go into public with unshaven legs, people think its their prerogative to remind/force/shout at you that YOUR LEGS NEED TO BE SHAVED!!!
Again you hit the nail on the head – women are expected to be these aesthetically pleasing, ready for sex, smooth, soft, sensual objects – 100% of the time.
Body hair for some reason in the modern world, has been allocated a MALE characteristic. Which is ridiculous because we all have body hair.
Its just a case of marketing again. Razors, Wax, Hair Removal Creams… anything they can make a problem on a womens body… they will. So they can sell shit.
Heres a small list of just some of the apparent ‘problems’ women have with their bodies:
-Pubic Hair…… could grow….. OUT OF CONTROL!!? OMG WATCH OUT ITS TAKING OVER!!!!!!
-Looking OLD! Having WRINKLES!?!? THAT’S JUST SO UNNATURAL!!! Let’s cut up our faces and pull the skin back and staple it behind the ears, and fill our foreheads with chemicals instead!!
-Looking Tired – YOU MUST NEVER LOOK TIRED!!
-Having ‘Dull, Lifeless Hair’ – omg!! Oh no!
-Having pimples or blemishes (how dare we show our faces!?!?)
-Being larger than a size 8 (how dare we even walk outside! Should we offend a man with out imperfect size!)
-Uneven skin tone
-Being too short, or too tall
- small lips
- big nose
- Having a too high pitched, or too low toned voice
-dirty, uneven, unpolished finger nails
The list goes on… sheesh with all these ‘problems’ we have to keep on top of to make sure our appearance is acceptable…. When do we get to actually live our lives?
So many fucking ‘ideals’ – no wonder we are unhappy with ourselves, no one can meet all these expectations, 24hrs a day for the rest of their life.
And we shouldn’t have to.
So… don’t shave your legs, and just laugh when someone tells you that you should. Because you know they are trapped in a world of ‘ideals’ and you are living a real life x