Why doesn’t this topic exist? No one cares? No one has an opinion? I suppose it comes up all over the place so there is no shortage of debates about it.
Anyway, I wanted to start it because I may have realised something, you can scrutinize its relevence for me. Also you can discuss the issue.
I got to wondering, does the Catholic church recognize the marriage between a Buddhist couple? Maybe they do and maybe they don’t, but our countries laws do. I mean, sure anyone who moves to a new contry must legally formalize their marriage just so the couple can have their rights in accordance. But does the Catholic church impose their religion upon this Buddhist couple? I think not, I think it says somewhere “Freedom of religion…” I could be wrong. So why is one marriage, that is exceptionally different to the Catholic rule, allowed to pass under the law of the nation untouched, yet another singled out?
Of course this all does not simply apply to Catholicism, but all Christianity, infact it includes Judaism and Islam also, as these religions are so similar (haha, yes I just said that).
Okay, Buddhists are great people, gay people not so much, right? How about a different example. What is more detestable than homosexuality, it’s a hard one…I’ll go right past Atheism and over to Satanism, (because Atheists may well be better people than gays). Is a marriage between two Satan worshipers recognized by the law? Haha, I think it just might be, yesiree. Hot damn, Satan worshipers are allowed to get married and the Church does not influence the government and the legal system to resist the marriage (I repeat for emphasis) between Satan worshipers.
Anyway, I’m done for know, rant you later.
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I don’t care visibly for people, but I care for their souls.
No matter what your sexuality is, and since no one can be a 100% feminine or 100% masculine, I want to say this – All people are fucking stupid.
As long as marriages go… Fall in love, get married, fight for money, fight for your love, die and be remembered as someone who didn’t change anything, except their own needs.
People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want do, period. Unless, of course, they want to go around killing people or hurting anyone else in any way or not allowing anyone else to do what they want to do.
I am not gay, but I certainly care about civil rights. I think everyone should be able to marry. But, I don’t think we should be able to tell someone what to do. If the Christian church wants to denounce gays, then so be it. It is their club and who are we to say otherwise.
The issue is that marriage is seen as a Christian idea. Break the connection, and then everyone is free to get married. If married just means an intimate partnership, then there can be no stupid rules like it can only be between a man and a woman.
This country is too Christian. I have nothing against Christianity, or any religion for that matter, but this religion imparticular has many ideas in which it would like to pass off as natural laws. Marriage being one of them.
Ironically, America would have you believe in a separation of church and state.
The state of Washington recently passed a law legalizing gay marriage, and this is an article with pictures from that day:
I thought about making a new post, but it applies to gay marriage, and there’s so many redundant discussions anyway.
I wanted to share it simply because I could feel the overwhelming joy and love emanating from every person in these pictures, which is always something to share on HE or anywhere :)
-your opinions are strange and ambiguous (haha yes i just said that)
-catholicism, christianity, judaism and islam actually ARE all derived from Abraham, so more than similar, they share the same roots ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions )
-as for gay marriages, as Joseph said, i don’t really care, not because it doesn’t concern me, but because people can go do whatever they want as long as no one gets hurt
@typhon300, Ha what separation of church and state? There used to be and still should be but that died out long ago. Now after every speech you’ll hear God bless america. Not to mention all politicians help promote church ideals.
Shit “In god we trust” was only recently (relatively speaking) add to paper money and the pledge here in the grand ol’ US and A.
I’m gay and I hope I can get married someday. I tell a lot of people who are against gays that blacks used to be treated like animals and not allowed to marry before the civil rights movement, so why can’t gays marry. I think Romans might be the cause for homophobia because they edited the bible. They saw a lot of greek records of homosexuality, especially true homosexuals not the straight guys having sex for camaraderie, and they saw these flamboyant looking men and thought it was weird. People just don’t like changing their beliefs.
I started this thread a long time ago, but it has been recently active, cool.
I have a little insight to shine on the issue of gays and religion, so here goes.
It is primarily about hedonism, hedonism is where pleasure is more important than love and this usually refers to sexual pleasure, but it is more general in spirit. The main teaching of Jesus was basically how all things are made pure in the light of love, hedonism places more value on pleasure than love so this is offensive to that principle.
The thing is that until recently is was considered that gays were strictly hedonistic, could not, would not or do not love, and as we know this is not true at all. Yes there are plenty of hedonistic gays, but that is true of heterosexuals also, but certainly they should not be all heaped into the hedonistic category.
I personally don’t have a problem with hedonists, as long as they are consentual then their lifestyle is not my business, I’m sure they are generally nice people in their behaviours, they likely have consideration for people where it is appropriate. This is fine, there are people who are not considerate, people who violate consent, people who harm others, that is the real problem, and these people are not isolated or absolute to any particular group, except maybe jocks and cheerleaders ;) I kid. Even Dictators can be benevolent, not so sure about the corporate elite, I kid again.
As for comparing gays to Satan worshipers, this is called sarcasm, that people have a generalized pre-opinion of groups of people in the world. I saw a documentary on Satan worshipers, an official religion (like Star-trek) people may not take it seriously but it is legit. The people in this documentary are decent people, we have simply made our minds up that they are bad before we know them personally.
@trek79, Well,,,, you certainly brought the topic in to play. I see all the replys and see some amount of singularity in the batch as a whole. All predictable and all replays of past discusssions. It’s not that “I don’t care” is said so much but I think it is a misrepresentation of thought is general. I suggest that the term should be– ” i am aware at this point but can’t or choose not to enter into a movement to change the outcome of said debate” Everybody does “care” because they should know that every change WILL affect their world in some way no matter how small.
Personally I wish Gay marriage would be accepted and practiced.
Peraonally I applaud every person that makes a clear choice in life for a partner Gay or otherwise.
That’s my rant off the top of my soap box for today. I’m impressed with this site.
@warriors41, You are not gay but are you a human being? Do you have rights?@drunkmonkmeth, bigger issues than civil and human rights? Shit where have I been?@zeitro, first of all, I am well aware of the origins of these religions, many are not, that is the joke. Does not concern you? There are citizens who are second class to you and that does not affect you?
@drunkmonkmeth, Gays not being allowed to marry IS a hate crime.
But yes, there are many issues in the world.
None of them are more important than others, just others are more of an emergency (like starvation.)
ok so now that i’m not confused and offended and understand that you were kidding at first, my real opinion on the gay marriage issue is that i think it’s going pretty well! i see positivity and much more acceptance flourishing, of course there’s still the haters, but they’ve always been there! they’re just more noticeable now because the positive side of gay marriage is also much more noticeable!
@trek79, your attempt at making me sound like a douche fails :)
also, you’re the one who compared gays with satanists (unless you were joking there too? that’s what i meant by ambiguous, i can’t tell if you’re being serious or not)
also, sexual labels aside, i go both ways, so…
You can find a problem with the way anyone lives, for example; religious people live perfect lives completely justified in their faith, they do no wrong because the Bible said it’s okay, if anything it is the Bible that is responsible for their behaviour but the Bible is always right, so you are in a circular argument with them.
Gay sex is unnatural; there are plenty of unnatural things that humans do, in fact the categories “natural” and “unnatural” refer to what is done by nature as opposed to what is done by humans (or perhaps aliens, gods or God) so it is a circular argument. Tattoos and body piercing is unnatural and more irreversible and invasive than gay sex, but we do not persecute people for that.
There is an idea that there are certain behaviours society has a right to expect from its citizens but there is also a line where society has no right to interfere in a private citizens life. This whole issue is about groups of people with like-minds trying to dictate what is acceptable to society and lay out demands that private citizens are expected to conform to.
Think about that…
I think certain things people have the right to define for themselves, like who you are, who you love and what your relationship means to you. Something like the word “married/marriage” has a subjectivity to it that people should have the right to tailor to their own lives.
You have legal definitions and religious definitions floating about, trying to assert themselves over the other, but when it comes down to it; each of us go home and embrace marriage in a personal way. Where is the right for marriage to mean whatever I want it to? I’m not religious, I know nothing about law, so to hell with whatever they are telling me what marriage is, I will decide.
this is the civil rights issue of our generation. before it was segregation based on color of skin. this isn’t much different. I am sad to see that some of you don’t care about this issue. It is wrong that homosexual couples are denied the right of marriage. It is because so many people don’t care that this issue persists. @trek79, thank you for posting this topic. It needs more attention. More people need to care. Maybe it doesn’t affect you, but I think you should at least feel sympathy for these people.
I just can’t believe we’re stopping two human beings from being together for reasons as stupid as religion (then again, there are a ton of fucked up things that fall into this category) and how hypocritical some people are about it. The other day one of my friends was bragging about how he has anal sex with his girlfriend all the time but is also against gay marriage. Oh, the irony.
In a little defense of religions, it is about the sanctity of marriage, which is understandable, but I think the sanctity of marriage defence is a little redundant with a 50% divorce rate. Every time there is divorce, adultery or spousal abuse, every loveless marriage is against that sanctity. You cannot stop that because that is the right people have (but for spousal abuse), strait married couples have the right to violate the sanctity of marriage, why can’t gay people also have the right to violate the sanctity of marriage?
There are bigger civil and human rights issues.. to me the subject of gay marriage is piss in the wind. compared to say.. hate crimes towards gays? ethnic groups? child slave labour? Child abuse and pedophilia? Proverty? Starvation/famine? disease? etc etc etc.. yea gay marriage means nothing to me sorry.