Why doesn’t this topic exist? No one cares? No one has an opinion? I suppose it comes up all over the place so there is no shortage of debates about it.
Anyway, I wanted to start it because I may have realised something, you can scrutinize its relevence for me. Also you can discuss the issue.
I got to wondering, does the Catholic church recognize the marriage between a Buddhist couple? Maybe they do and maybe they don’t, but our countries laws do. I mean, sure anyone who moves to a new contry must legally formalize their marriage just so the couple can have their rights in accordance. But does the Catholic church impose their religion upon this Buddhist couple? I think not, I think it says somewhere “Freedom of religion…” I could be wrong. So why is one marriage, that is exceptionally different to the Catholic rule, allowed to pass under the law of the nation untouched, yet another singled out?
Of course this all does not simply apply to Catholicism, but all Christianity, infact it includes Judaism and Islam also, as these religions are so similar (haha, yes I just said that).
Okay, Buddhists are great people, gay people not so much, right? How about a different example. What is more detestable than homosexuality, it’s a hard one…I’ll go right past Atheism and over to Satanism, (because Atheists may well be better people than gays). Is a marriage between two Satan worshipers recognized by the law? Haha, I think it just might be, yesiree. Hot damn, Satan worshipers are allowed to get married and the Church does not influence the government and the legal system to resist the marriage (I repeat for emphasis) between Satan worshipers.
Anyway, I’m done for know, rant you later.
-your opinions are strange and ambiguous (haha yes i just said that)
-catholicism, christianity, judaism and islam actually ARE all derived from Abraham, so more than similar, they share the same roots ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions )
-as for gay marriages, as Joseph said, i don’t really care, not because it doesn’t concern me, but because people can go do whatever they want as long as no one gets hurt
@warriors41, You are not gay but are you a human being? Do you have rights?@drunkmonkmeth, bigger issues than civil and human rights? Shit where have I been?@zeitro, first of all, I am well aware of the origins of these religions, many are not, that is the joke. Does not concern you? There are citizens who are second class to you and that does not affect you?
@trek79, your attempt at making me sound like a douche fails :)
also, you’re the one who compared gays with satanists (unless you were joking there too? that’s what i meant by ambiguous, i can’t tell if you’re being serious or not)
also, sexual labels aside, i go both ways, so…
this is the civil rights issue of our generation. before it was segregation based on color of skin. this isn’t much different. I am sad to see that some of you don’t care about this issue. It is wrong that homosexual couples are denied the right of marriage. It is because so many people don’t care that this issue persists. @trek79, thank you for posting this topic. It needs more attention. More people need to care. Maybe it doesn’t affect you, but I think you should at least feel sympathy for these people.
There are bigger civil and human rights issues.. to me the subject of gay marriage is piss in the wind. compared to say.. hate crimes towards gays? ethnic groups? child slave labour? Child abuse and pedophilia? Proverty? Starvation/famine? disease? etc etc etc.. yea gay marriage means nothing to me sorry.
It should mean something to you all. Married couples get tax benefits, which gay people aren’t entitled too. I’m straight and I find it REAL fucking offensive. If marriage were simply a title, maybe it would b insignificant, but it has legal ramifications, and therefore it is seriously unfair on the homosexual community. Same with gay adoption. There would be a transition period where bullying would probably be common, but there is no good reason why gay couples shouldn’t be allowed to adopt children.
Just cos there are other bigger issues, doesn’t mean this doesn’t matter.
Gays should be able to get married. Remember when interracial marriages were illegal? They were illegal till 1967 in the USA. It’s basic civil rights.
(also, Ray, I love pointing out to my friends who are anti gay marriage that 2 atheists can get married without a problem. It always leaves them stumped =) )
I’m gay and I hope I can get married someday. I tell a lot of people who are against gays that blacks used to be treated like animals and not allowed to marry before the civil rights movement, so why can’t gays marry. I think Romans might be the cause for homophobia because they edited the bible. They saw a lot of greek records of homosexuality, especially true homosexuals not the straight guys having sex for camaraderie, and they saw these flamboyant looking men and thought it was weird. People just don’t like changing their beliefs.
I am not gay, but I certainly care about civil rights. I think everyone should be able to marry. But, I don’t think we should be able to tell someone what to do. If the Christian church wants to denounce gays, then so be it. It is their club and who are we to say otherwise.
The issue is that marriage is seen as a Christian idea. Break the connection, and then everyone is free to get married. If married just means an intimate partnership, then there can be no stupid rules like it can only be between a man and a woman.
This country is too Christian. I have nothing against Christianity, or any religion for that matter, but this religion imparticular has many ideas in which it would like to pass off as natural laws. Marriage being one of them.
Ironically, America would have you believe in a separation of church and state.
I agree with @unstoppableobject. I can’t think of anyone here being on the opposite side of this issue. That being said, I want to be able to see all of my friends get married, not just some of them. I also would at least like the option to marry the person of my choice if I so choose to. I see no reason why two people who love each other should not be allowed to get married if they want to.
While this is a huge issue for me, personally, I realize that it’s non-issue for a lot of people. Obviously, there are many other important things to be concerned about in this world, but denying people basic civil liberties is pretty high up on the list for me.
@drunkmonkmeth, yeah sure, those are all big civil rights problems, but that doesn’t warrant apathy. All those problems still existed during the civil rights movement, yet people still thought it important enough to push. deal with what you can when you can.
@unstoppableobject, true, most everyone on this sight believes in equal marriage rights for homosexuals, but as you can see, some people just don’t care. if nothing else, this will create awareness and hopefully make people see it’s importance.
I don’t know how many people are aware of this, but there is legislation in place which makes its so that gay marriages that occur in the states where it has been legalized are not recognized by other states. If you get married in Massachusetts, your marriage is not valid in Pennsylvania.
@trek79, Great point. Satan worshiper marriage should be worse than gay marriage by the apparent values of the hyped anti-side of this debate(the other side is hyped too). But the whole gay marriage debate is a big facepalm if you ask me. Freedom speaks for itself through deed though seldom through word.
edit: anon has a point too though. Many problems are just symptoms of a greater flaw in our understanding of both ourselves and others as human beings. Picking at scabs isn’t always the best path to healing, though it is quite satisfying right? ;)
Hate crimes towards gays are not condoned by law, but what is condoned by law is that gays are lesser in a sense, that they do not deserve the rights that others have. This sends a message to all those haters that, though we do not condone your actions you are right that these people are offensive to society.
But you are right about all these other human rights problems around the world, but the trend currently is that not all humans are equal, if one lot of human beings are dehumanized then it is the first rung on the ladder to other humans being dehumanized.
The more gays, the better, cause the less competition for me. So let 90% of you guys become gay and I will not have to worry about finding the right woman to live with.
Seriously, I do not care about people their ethnicity and/or sexual preference, as long as they do not disturb me in my daily life.
But to be honest I do not like the gay men that have to show the rest of the world how gay they are, with their gay behaviors all the time. But in the same way I do not like the hetero men who are whistling at women on the streets all the time, and who are acting like women are only some kind of sex objects.
So once again, I do not care about once sexual preference, but I reject some kind of behaviors, which can be seen as typical gay or hetero behaviors.
And as long as the gay people respect my sexual preference, I can respect theirs.
As for comparing gays to Satan worshipers, this is called sarcasm, that people have a generalized pre-opinion of groups of people in the world. I saw a documentary on Satan worshipers, an official religion (like Star-trek) people may not take it seriously but it is legit. The people in this documentary are decent people, we have simply made our minds up that they are bad before we know them personally.