Why doesn’t this topic exist? No one cares? No one has an opinion? I suppose it comes up all over the place so there is no shortage of debates about it.
Anyway, I wanted to start it because I may have realised something, you can scrutinize its relevence for me. Also you can discuss the issue.
I got to wondering, does the Catholic church recognize the marriage between a Buddhist couple? Maybe they do and maybe they don’t, but our countries laws do. I mean, sure anyone who moves to a new contry must legally formalize their marriage just so the couple can have their rights in accordance. But does the Catholic church impose their religion upon this Buddhist couple? I think not, I think it says somewhere “Freedom of religion…” I could be wrong. So why is one marriage, that is exceptionally different to the Catholic rule, allowed to pass under the law of the nation untouched, yet another singled out?
Of course this all does not simply apply to Catholicism, but all Christianity, infact it includes Judaism and Islam also, as these religions are so similar (haha, yes I just said that).
Okay, Buddhists are great people, gay people not so much, right? How about a different example. What is more detestable than homosexuality, it’s a hard one…I’ll go right past Atheism and over to Satanism, (because Atheists may well be better people than gays). Is a marriage between two Satan worshipers recognized by the law? Haha, I think it just might be, yesiree. Hot damn, Satan worshipers are allowed to get married and the Church does not influence the government and the legal system to resist the marriage (I repeat for emphasis) between Satan worshipers.
Anyway, I’m done for know, rant you later.
ok so now that i’m not confused and offended and understand that you were kidding at first, my real opinion on the gay marriage issue is that i think it’s going pretty well! i see positivity and much more acceptance flourishing, of course there’s still the haters, but they’ve always been there! they’re just more noticeable now because the positive side of gay marriage is also much more noticeable!
I don’t care visibly for people, but I care for their souls.
No matter what your sexuality is, and since no one can be a 100% feminine or 100% masculine, I want to say this – All people are fucking stupid.
As long as marriages go… Fall in love, get married, fight for money, fight for your love, die and be remembered as someone who didn’t change anything, except their own needs.
In a little defense of religions, it is about the sanctity of marriage, which is understandable, but I think the sanctity of marriage defence is a little redundant with a 50% divorce rate. Every time there is divorce, adultery or spousal abuse, every loveless marriage is against that sanctity. You cannot stop that because that is the right people have (but for spousal abuse), strait married couples have the right to violate the sanctity of marriage, why can’t gay people also have the right to violate the sanctity of marriage?
@filipek, I’m actually Australian, it is not legal here. I think it is a state issue in the U.S so some states have allowed it, but it is a federal issue in Australia and they have officially said “Now is not quite the right time” whatever that means.
@drunkmonkmeth, Yes, it is a big deal because as it is now, a spouse (man and woman) can put the other peson on his/her health care and if the breadwinner dies, the other person can 1) inherit the person’s goods–a bigger thing than you might think, esp. if you’ve been working together to build a lire, and 2) get that person’s social security. As it is now, if a young gay person died unexpectedly, his/her parents could swoop in, not allow the person to plan the funeral or even attend. This may not seem like a lot to you now, but it could really screw up the survivor’s life.
Satanist are just as evil as any other religion out there. I know a satanist and he is a great guy. With that aside, I find it funny that we get half of our government from the Romans, which had many homosexual relationships years ago, but even with our separation of church and state, we can’t just get passed gay marriage and legalize it nationally, like it should be.
The state of Washington recently passed a law legalizing gay marriage, and this is an article with pictures from that day:
I thought about making a new post, but it applies to gay marriage, and there’s so many redundant discussions anyway.
I wanted to share it simply because I could feel the overwhelming joy and love emanating from every person in these pictures, which is always something to share on HE or anywhere :)
@typhon300, Ha what separation of church and state? There used to be and still should be but that died out long ago. Now after every speech you’ll hear God bless america. Not to mention all politicians help promote church ideals.
Shit “In god we trust” was only recently (relatively speaking) add to paper money and the pledge here in the grand ol’ US and A.
I just can’t believe we’re stopping two human beings from being together for reasons as stupid as religion (then again, there are a ton of fucked up things that fall into this category) and how hypocritical some people are about it. The other day one of my friends was bragging about how he has anal sex with his girlfriend all the time but is also against gay marriage. Oh, the irony.
I’m not gay, but I completely support gay marriage. I used to consider myself as someone who couldn’t care less about who got married, and that’s why I supported gay marriage. But after it was legalized in my home state (Washington) and seeing all the pictures of happy gay couples it made me realize how truly stupid banning gay marriage is.
Not to mention the separation of church and state in our government should prevent religion used as a justification for preventing gay marriage, yet it is the only reason it’s illegal in our country
A main thing is that the term “Marriage” is originally a religious term but it has become a legal one. One option is to stop using marriage as a legal word, everyone can have their legal unions with equal rights and then call their union whatever they want.
But ultimately, religions want the legal definition of marriage to correspond with their religious definition, but that is ridiculous, it never can be because marriage has a definition that differs with every religion, as well as in people of no religion.
This is a fairly old post, but I’ve been hearing so much about gay marriage lately.. Call me ignorant, but I don’t understand; why is this even a debate? Because someone loves a person of the same gender they have fewer rights? I thought separation of church and state happened yeaaaaars ago. I’m not trying to spark a debate… I honestly want to know, what are the cons of gay marriage?
@cpugh9, I was thinking the same thing, girly.
I ignore these topics for the same reason: why the fuck is this even up for discussion? This “controversy” gives me a headache. Just like the women’s movement and just like the civil rights moment, these “gay rights” issues are going to be something we look back at and wonder “What the hell were we thinking?” And instead of racist grandparents, kids will have homophobic grandparents.
It’s amazing how true the phase “history repeats itself” rings true in situations like these.
Marriage under Catholic rules, from my understanding, is meant solely for the purpose of reproduction. If you marry someone of the same sex you cannot reproduce, therefore you cannot marry. In addition to this you are also supposed to have sex solely for the sake of reproducing. Using a condom or “pulling-out” is actually a sin because there is no intent of reproduction through sexual intercourse. That is the only reason, from extreme traditional Catholic side of it, I can see why Christians or any other “Abraham derived” religion is against gay marriage.
But as far as legalizing gay marriage, excuse my language but WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM HERE? If you want to get married to a fucking paper-weight, that should be up to you. I mean Kim Kardashian’s marriage to Chris Humphies that last maybe 3 months, may as well have been to a paper-weight. I have no doubt some gays out there can make a more meaningful marriage than these two individuals.
Bottom line for me is: if you are homosexual I am assuming you would hope people have an open mind when they find out you are gay. That being said, I hope you approach other religions, whether for or against your beliefs, with an open mind as well and respect their beliefs. As far as getting married by a judge that has no religious affiliation (separation of church and state right?) I don’t see what the problem is given marriage was originally a religious ceremony that is now also a legal binding.
Marriage has become nothing more than a personal and public commitment in our society. I personally think it should be legal for a homosexuals to get married but as far as forcing that beliefs on other religions is the same as forcing the beliefs unto gays that being straight is the only way to go.
This topic doesn’t exist because It’s been discussed to death! It’s been debated over and over; and nothing is really gained from it.
Do what you will, don’t do the things you’re against if you don’t want to, don’t hurt anyone in the process either.
Simple laws of the world.
I mean who’s the person that even told them no? Who were the first gays to try and get married and were told the government doesn’t want them to? How I see it is they would just go gets married like anyone else and no one would think twice about. Of course Christian law is going to disagree with it, they also disagree with abortion which the government says is just fine. I want to know where it originated.. And how the government decides when they are going to stick with the church and abide by them or decide to go completely against the church.
I started this thread a long time ago, but it has been recently active, cool.
I have a little insight to shine on the issue of gays and religion, so here goes.
It is primarily about hedonism, hedonism is where pleasure is more important than love and this usually refers to sexual pleasure, but it is more general in spirit. The main teaching of Jesus was basically how all things are made pure in the light of love, hedonism places more value on pleasure than love so this is offensive to that principle.
The thing is that until recently is was considered that gays were strictly hedonistic, could not, would not or do not love, and as we know this is not true at all. Yes there are plenty of hedonistic gays, but that is true of heterosexuals also, but certainly they should not be all heaped into the hedonistic category.
I personally don’t have a problem with hedonists, as long as they are consentual then their lifestyle is not my business, I’m sure they are generally nice people in their behaviours, they likely have consideration for people where it is appropriate. This is fine, there are people who are not considerate, people who violate consent, people who harm others, that is the real problem, and these people are not isolated or absolute to any particular group, except maybe jocks and cheerleaders ;) I kid. Even Dictators can be benevolent, not so sure about the corporate elite, I kid again.
You can find a problem with the way anyone lives, for example; religious people live perfect lives completely justified in their faith, they do no wrong because the Bible said it’s okay, if anything it is the Bible that is responsible for their behaviour but the Bible is always right, so you are in a circular argument with them.
Gay sex is unnatural; there are plenty of unnatural things that humans do, in fact the categories “natural” and “unnatural” refer to what is done by nature as opposed to what is done by humans (or perhaps aliens, gods or God) so it is a circular argument. Tattoos and body piercing is unnatural and more irreversible and invasive than gay sex, but we do not persecute people for that.
There is an idea that there are certain behaviours society has a right to expect from its citizens but there is also a line where society has no right to interfere in a private citizens life. This whole issue is about groups of people with like-minds trying to dictate what is acceptable to society and lay out demands that private citizens are expected to conform to.
Think about that…
I think certain things people have the right to define for themselves, like who you are, who you love and what your relationship means to you. Something like the word “married/marriage” has a subjectivity to it that people should have the right to tailor to their own lives.
You have legal definitions and religious definitions floating about, trying to assert themselves over the other, but when it comes down to it; each of us go home and embrace marriage in a personal way. Where is the right for marriage to mean whatever I want it to? I’m not religious, I know nothing about law, so to hell with whatever they are telling me what marriage is, I will decide.
I’m not even gay, I’m what anti-gay rights people call a hypocrite; because I am heterosexual and will not ever be gay, it means I find gay to be wrong and so by supporting the rights of people to live and love in a legally supported way, I am a hypocrite :)