Get That Crap Out Of My Face
In going over the main points in my mind, I’ve worked myself into a burning rage. I’ll take a walk later to cool my head, but for now, I’m pissed.
Going over some of my old posts on the subject of taking and legalizing drug, I think I’ve pinpointed what makes me so angry about the subject. People who are substance abusers don’t really bother me. Shooting heroin or smoking weed have no real effect on me if that’s the criteria we’re going by. What gets under my skin is that most people I begrudgingly know who are substance abusers want me to partake in recreational drugs along side them. Let me make this clear: Drugs are not the answer to all of life’s problems. I can’t even say they are the answer to any of life’s problems. If you want to be public with your weakness, that’s your problem. But I have no interest in being like you. I hate people like you. People like you disgust me. What makes you think that I want to be like you. I can only assume that the people here who are promising that the abundance of drugs in the world will solve problems are trying to be funny or satirical, because otherwise, I have to assume you’re suffering from some form of psychosis, possibly brought on by years of smoking weed.
I’m just getting more and more pissed the more I think about how people want me to be a substance abuser like them (and believe me, I know people who want this), so I’ll sum it up like this: Don’t involve me in your weakness, and quit trying to promote something that’s making me so angry.
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OK, well the promotion speaks for itself, so I see no issue there so long as you are aware of the facts of the matter (at least for weed…I think basically everyone knows that most of the chemically-synthesized, ‘hard’ stuff is bad for everyone).
I don’t see how you can hate anyone for being themselves though. The nature of a beast like that IS to seek out connection, because if you take someone who legitimately has an addiction to something (you can’t really say addiction in the normal sense for weed, but most of the other stuff you can) you are going to find them weak and alone. This fact is probably what drove them to do it in the first place, and the only reason they are seeking to push the drug onto you is because they are just having a hard time relating to anyone anymore. Everytime someone who REALLY abuses (you can’t really abuse weed) drugs reaches out to you like that, there’s more to it than just an attempt to corrupt you. They thought drugs could cure the loneliness…it just made it numb for a little while, but now they are fighting to even stay afloat against the currents of addiction.
Don’t hate people for being weak, love them and try to help them. I agree that some people just cannot be helped, but anger doesn’t solve anything for you or them. Love them, even if it is passive, because maybe your lack of judgment will one day be just enough for them to reconsider the path which they have chosen.
He has a point, everybody. Telling someone you should do drugs with such force as this is just as bad as telling someone you are a terrible person if you do drugs. No one should be pressured into anything or not doing it (within reason here!), because it only breeds resentment. He has come to his own conclusion about it and that is totally ok, he is not telling anyone here in the HE community to stop doing whatever it is they do. Simply, he says that he does not want drugs pressured upon him, and does not see drugs as the solution to problems. Not that any of this is my business, but sheesh….it seems really un-HEthenlike to jump on somebody just because they have a difference in opinion on something which is a personal choice, like deciding to do drugs or not.
“Meet the new boss…same as the old boss” – the Who
@thelaughingfool, I can’t speak for the people you surround yourself with, but I can assure you that on HE anyone who suggests drugs or says ‘you have to try it’ are purely saying so because they have had positive experiences, and want others to feel the positivity. I feel sad that you’ve taken that and turned it into hatred. If you don’t want to partake I appreciate that and respect your decision. If your life is just as fruitful without then fair play to you, I admire that, I really do. But in no way does that make you a better person, or give you the right to suggest that anyone who chooses to use drugs is suffering from some kind of psychosis.
I hope you find peace within yourself (however you choose to that), I genuinely do. Stop wasting your energy on hate, that is one thing I highly recommend, over any drug.
“Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them”
-Dawg, it is undeniably bad to think this about your fellow man.
And to say you don’t want to be ‘like’ them is a sham. One, you can NEVER be like them ANYWAY, two, you don’t have an idea what it’s like to use the drugs, so to have any claims as to their positive or negative attributes is simply absurd, aside from incredible bias.
And he said that part FIRST. It’s like saying “Don’t take offense to this, BUT…” or “bless their heart.” I’d be more comfortable if, after that intolerant rant, I heard a “I believe in ‘live and let live,’ though, and etc etc etc”
But no, I got “here is my obligatory ‘yeah, yeah…peace and love’ before I lay into all of you guys about something I have no experience with.”
This isn’t about that first part at all. If he was ONLY talking about the first part then that post would have been a lot shorter. But no, it continued. Obviously I think forcing something down someone else’s throat is annoying, but it’s not ONLY about that…obviously.
“Plus, I’m pretty sure you can abuse weed, you can abuse anything. I’ve known several people, myself included for a time, who would get into the habit of just smoking weed every day and never doing anything, never getting off the couch”
-I know people who smoke weed everyday and then go to law school and succeed, having received full-rides to law programs. That crap has nothing to do with “weed abuse” and everything to do with individual ability. Stupid people are just as able to smoke weed as smart people.
Again, and I say this completely unaffected emotionally by this guy’s posts: people are people. For every person wiling to say “People like you disgust me” you will find another, equally passionate person, willing to say “No, people like YOU disgust ME!”
And they will both walk away from this discussion gaining nothing but resentment toward someone else. I stated clearly that he invited attack, and I do believe that. No one comes so strongly onto something like this, so blinded by rage, and expects to have constructive discussion. You don’t expect constructive when your opening statement intentionally tells others that YOU HATE SOMEONE ELSE, no matter who it is.
@kidd, we all comes from different stages when we enter into the arena of discussion like this. Some of us have passed that point where we held up unnecessary defenses to make sure we didn’t crumble…and those people learned just how valuable laying down your preconceptions is to validating yourself and others.
I can only hope that everyone experiences the unity that comes from this at some point in time, because it is certainly a worthwhile experience.
@thelaughingfool, I never used drugs, see how it was. I was around people who made music, like me. They couldn’t believe that I don’t smoke weed. I couldn’t believe they are so pathetic to think that a substance is something that boosts their inspiration/intelligence. :) It is a weakness. It is escapism. I am glad I have nothing to do with these guys, because I was better than them sober, high, drunk, every single fucking time. If you ask a person like that who has “a lot of talent” what they love most, where they get their inspiration – they’re not going to tell you nature, and they’re not going to tell you that they have a special relationship with someone – they’re going to tell you the superficial bullshit about how they wish they have felt. But I guess I’ll be offending a lot of HEthens with that. :) Meh, I don’t give a shit. Bitches.
@kidd, people who are often uncertain of themselves and their place in life, in fact, DO use this attacking of the other side to combat their uncertainty.
I am reminded of those who are homophobic, simply because they are afraid to embrace the fact that they might have more in common with homosexuals than they think. Rather than accept themselves for their thoughts, they shut them out and try to make other people feel bad for being who they are. If your Ego is brought into the discussion, you didn’t come to discuss anything at all.
Having a heavily influenced perception of drugs as something bad is your problem, not mine (ours).
You choose not to do them, but how can you bash them without attempting the most coveted of them, things like psilocybin, lsd, and DMT?
There is no further ignorance than claiming one understands psychoactives without having experienced them (to a decent extent).
Basically what you are saying is that you enjoy your perception of reality, and anyone willing to recommend another perception of your [entire] reality is an asshole and you hate them.
Welcome to not-so-high existence.
If your example fits the mold then good for you. Confrontation, in general, is perceived by me as a bad thing.
Again, I don’t really see much of a point to where you are trying to take this. Your lack of interest in what people who I think are successful do means little to me. You don’t know them, and so any attempt you make to see the example as a “bad” one only proves your argument is groundless. Your perception shows weed to be something that negatively affects people, mine doesn’t. I can’t make you visit my friend, nor agree on what success is. Drawing that petty argument out as if it validates anything either of us has said is fruitless.
I never said you had to be impressed. I don’t give a crap whether your find a job impressive or not. The point was to show that I see people who use pot being fulfilled in life. I also have been around them long enough to know it was just “luck” that got them where they are. Like I said, you don’t know them so there’s obviously no intention of having you just comprehend their success.
I never called you stupid. Refrain from placing words in my mouth.
I gave an example to flout your completely ludicrous assumption that weed smokers are negatively impacted by their decisions with an example I know. We don’t know the same people so obviously I don’t have a common point of reference for you to understand. You can find the examples wanting all you like, but they are still real examples which trump your overextended claim.
And I don’t care about luck. It has no relevance in this argument. People are and are not lucky. We all have the same chance of being lucky, if that even is a thing, so to act as if these two areas of discussion correlate is stupid. It applies equally to your argument: maybe the weed smokers you know are just UNLUCKY. Total BS addition to this discussion.
It’s narrow-minded because you aren’t willing to step outside of your own shell to fathom the point of my example. Attacking the example does nothing for you at all. We are all aware of relativity and that success to one person is failure to another depending on the circumstances. I don’t care what you think about me or my friends. I created a legitimate rebuttal and was met with “well I don’t think so so nope.” If I had that attitude I’d have stopped talking to you forever ago. I aim to gain something. You certainly gain nothing from grounding everything you say in “well, I think this and I think that.” We all think things, so grant that and see beyond it.
Taking what? Life is an intoxicant if weed is one. The effect it has on your body is far less adverse than the massive DMT trips you have every night when you sleep. It’s certainly not as intensive as the endorphins and adrenaline that pump through your body as your emotions rise and fall. (and these things have plenty of scientific basis). It’s just another relative term you use to try and place a stigma on something.
I have experience with others who use it, and I accept that my inexperience leaves me lacking complete understanding. I don’t masquerade under the guise that I have, and I gave a perspective based on what I do know and what I have seen. From there, I seek positive discussion with people also interested in actually growing to push my understanding even further.
I own up to my bias, assumptions, and limited understanding. I present what I understand and constructively compare that to what other people are willing to offer. I even STATED CLEARLY that I was coming from a place of limited understanding. Trying to turn my comment on bias against me AFTER I ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THIS just proves the mentality you are coming at this discussion with. I have yet to actually see you admit to just how biased you are in all of your opinions and assumptions…
In the end, I was only trying to gain. It seems to me you don’t actually seek any more than to butt heads with someone who disagrees with you.
Alright so you’re honestly going to sit there and tell me if you have the opportunity in this existence to reach another state of mind (or realm, whatever you wanna call it), you’re not going to take that opportunity? As I can see, either you have tried drugs and they effected you badly, or you have never tried them and are completely ignorant to the subject. Either way, I can tell through your writing and rage towards a completely innocent group of people, that you are not content living your “sober” lifestyle. I would respect you more if you could tell me why you’re so against anyone that uses a natural plants/fungi that have been used thousands of years to reach different mindsets. If you had approached this situation with a bit more explanation towards why you made your decision or maybe with a bit more gratitude and compassion, I could understand where you are coming from. Instead, you came in all guns and ammo, shooting everyone down; only really showing us that being sober makes you angry and unhappy. I’m going to keep smoking my pot and experiencing and looking at the world differently. I have no interest being like you. I hate people like you, you stupid straight edge people that know nothing (only mocking).
You need to relax and let people make their own decisions. Without properly being able to understand the subject, I don’t think you should approach it in the way you did.
@lytning91, “name ONE time where hatred has had a more positive effect than love and understanding? I will wait…”
There are some people in some situations who have gone past the point of no return, or simply were dicks, and there was never anything to understand about them. Sometimes you have to combat somebody, it’s the only way. Like in today’s world, we can try to “love and understand” the elite all we want, and in response they’ll turn our country into the 3rd world. No, there are some people that you have to oppose, call it hate, defense, or whatever you want.
All those examples you listed of “successful” stoners really are up to interpretation though, and frankly I don’t think they’re all that impressive. Unless you’re talking success in terms of money alone, which IMO isn’t really an indicator of anything. If you want to talk about music, I’m much more impressed when I heard in an interview that Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins decided not to use drugs at all, and still comes up with legitimate psychedelic rock.
I’m not even trying to hate here, I think weed should definitely be legal. I’m just saying, it’s just another intoxicant like alcohol, use it if you want to, but saying it’s magical is not an absolute truth. People who don’t like weed shouldn’t be crucified for it.
@lytning91, Though I still respect the OP’s opinion, for what it’s worth, I apologize. As things went on I simply became pissed off for no reason, and it built on itself like an avalanche. Though I think sticking to one’s guns can be a strength, in this case it was wasted since this is all opinion and personal choice anyway. Sorry
@theskafish, Obviously neither extreme is right, but he definitely set a tone for the kinds of responses he was going to receive. He basically told almost everyone on this site that:
“I have no interest in being like you. I hate people like you. People like you disgust me.”
You can try to form his words to make it about “forceful people,” but he definitely had an intent to disarm drug users (‘abuse’ as a descriptor here is simply worthless) with his choice of words, whether they were “forceful” or not.
In the end, we are completely certain that he has no 1st-hand knowledge on what it is like to be the people he is judging, nor can he describe accurately the feelings or epiphanies that others claim to receive. He goes so far as to say that all weed users are stuck in a twisted psychosis as a result of their abuse.
He asked to be attacked. He wants the attention. He will use the retaliations of those in this discussion to fuel his ignorance…until, one day, he comes to a legitimately-formed conclusion based on experience.
@theskafish, Much love friend. I still think you are dope and I mean…I respect both of your opinions. It’s always difficult to tread the lines between effective discussion and emotional debate.
I had a similar discussion with someone else not too long ago and, when I read back over it all, I was just very displeased with my behavior. It’s so easy to get overly passionate about something sometimes…I mean, passion is amazingly beautiful. In the wrong situation, it can be harnessed for REALLY bad stuff.
Again, though, Mad <3 for you. I don’t intend to let any bad blood ruin a connect I get to have with someone who has as much passion as you do. I will no doubt find your insight very revealing at another point in time.
@lytning91, I don’t know. It seems to me like people on here are just seeing the parts they want to see in his post and connecting the dots. Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them, but to say that you have no interest in being like someone, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. We all don’t want to be like a certain thing, otherwise maybe we’d be it. I really don’t think he was trying to attack anyone here, he even said that he has no problem with people who use substances. He has a problem when these users continually ask him to do something he does not want to do, not listening to him the first umpteen times he said “no.” Don’t you think that would get frustrating? Plus, I’m pretty sure you can abuse weed, you can abuse anything. I’ve known several people, myself included for a time, who would get into the habit of just smoking weed every day and never doing anything, never getting off the couch……looking back I’d have slapped myself sometimes, glad I decided to cut back (not eliminate, just reduce) big time while I still have half my 20′s to go.
“In the end, we are completely certain that he has no 1st-hand knowledge on what it is like to be the people he is judging, nor can he describe accurately the feelings or epiphanies that others claim to receive.”
In the end we are certain of nothing more than what he originally posted, but I think people on here are really missing the point, it’s not anti-drugs, it’s just another personal rant but people are jumping on him as if he just came out as a Nazi. Even if it is anti-drugs, so what? This is High Existence, not high school. We’re supposed to be openminded here, even towards people who don’t share our beliefs 100%………I don’t even know why I’m fighting someone else’s battle here, I guess I’m just disappointed in the mob mentality.
@lytning91 “people who are often uncertain of themselves and their place in life, in fact, DO use this attacking of the other side to combat their uncertainty.”
I agree completely. Trying to see things from the other’s perspective is probably the best way to discuss anything, trying to play the devil’s advocate against your own views. I also think it’s the best way to grow, but I guess I don’t completely understand why it’s so hard for some people to do.
Well it’s obvious that you have no experience with the drugs you’re so ignorantly lumping together. Don’t be angry that other humans are trying to share the experience of life with you–perhaps you’re just scared and angry from realizing how long and elaborately you’ve been fooled by society.
That’s the problem with fear, it has blocked you so deep into the corner that facts and experience about these drugs wouldn’t even reach your deaf ears. You’re no better than addiction when fear is your fix. It’s your safety blanket that protects you from heresy… you’re a fear junkie.
But I respect your current opinion of your path, I’ve been there too. Just be humble about it because when you realize how naive you are, that anger and fear will just come back. Live in love, not ignorance.
I just want to point out here, not all drug users are drug abusers. There is a very legitimate difference.
At the same time, no one should pressure you to partake, but if it is simply offered, I would be grateful for the opportunity, even if you dont appreciate what it means. And I am speaking from a hallucinogenic viewpoint. Using drugs together only has significant meaning to me while passing the peace pipe, and exploring the wonders of our existence. Anything else, I really dont have experience to speak.
But I know, an invitation to a trip is something I woukd cherish with an open heart, even if I didnt partake.
You have to accept that not everyone has always had it easy, and that not everyone was resourceful or lucky enough to find the “right” solutions. Some people get high as a way to escape reality, others for fun.
Which brings me to the fact that you shouldn’t hate people for choosing their own kind of fun. For some people a party is where you drink alcohol and dance, and for others it’s when you hang out at a skatepark and smoke week. I’m only talking soft drugs of course, I think each person must be responsible enough to weight the pros and cons of their actions, and hard drugs sure do have a lot of cons.
Woah man! hang on. For starters, you can’t put cannabis and heroin in the same sentence when you’re referring to substance abuse. Purely on the reason you can’t really abuse cannabis. Smoking cannabis and injecting heroin are two completely different categories on their own. – If you think otherwise, I’d recommend you educate yourself a little more about drugs. Even if you don’t agree with drugs it will pay for you to learn a little as this may prevent you from posting such an ignorant post again.
It sounds to me as if you’re associating with the wrong people if they’re wanting you to partake in using these substances. It’s completely up to you whether or not you want to use these drugs. I think you were to educate yourself a little more you will find that heroin destroys lives. Cannabis however can even enhance thought and have a positive contribution as a medicinal value to people suffering with various illnesses.
As far as legalisation goes, the only reason cannabis is illegal is because of the racist views of a governing body when cannabis was first seen being smoked by the Jamaican community. This same government who went on to spend millions of pounds on propaganda that portrays cannabis as some sort of life ruining substance, like heroin, when no facts have been submitted to suggest this. I could go on forever to explain why cannabis is illegal but that is for another post.
You shouldn’t be so pissed off about the situation you’re in. You should actually be pissed off with yourself for allowing yourself to fall into this situation. Leave your peers to it. It’s their individual choice. As far as abuse is concerned that’s part of the survival of the fittest. The weaker minded people who would abuse heroin and die have it coming to them if you ask me. But that’s a whole new debate.
You need to educate yourself, asses the situation you’re in and make actions to take yourself away from that situation if it’s having such a negative impact on your life.
I smoke cannabis and I wouldn’t dream of pressuring peers to smoke with me if they didn’t want to. I’d like to think that my peers have the mental capacity to make the decision on their own. And if they judge me for smoking cannabis then that’s entirely their issue.
This is your issue. Not theirs. Sort your issue out.
@lytning91, “Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them”
“-Dawg, it is undeniably bad to think this about your fellow man.”
Well….I could list several examples countering this but this thread isn’t about me. Back on topic though, we know very little concrete proof about his history with drugs, since he never said that he had NEVER EVER IN HIS LIFE used substances, only that he does not at present. Therefore, saying he has no knowledge of drugs and their effects is just an assumption.
“I know people who smoke weed everyday and then go to law school and succeed, having received full-rides to law programs.”
Eh….words like “succeed” are very very subjective, one person’s “success” is another’s “just OK.” Honestly, I could very easily see how someone could go through law school while smoking….for all of lawyers’ prestige in our society, it’s really not rocket science, just an awful lot of memorization and application.