Get That Crap Out Of My Face
In going over the main points in my mind, I’ve worked myself into a burning rage. I’ll take a walk later to cool my head, but for now, I’m pissed.
Going over some of my old posts on the subject of taking and legalizing drug, I think I’ve pinpointed what makes me so angry about the subject. People who are substance abusers don’t really bother me. Shooting heroin or smoking weed have no real effect on me if that’s the criteria we’re going by. What gets under my skin is that most people I begrudgingly know who are substance abusers want me to partake in recreational drugs along side them. Let me make this clear: Drugs are not the answer to all of life’s problems. I can’t even say they are the answer to any of life’s problems. If you want to be public with your weakness, that’s your problem. But I have no interest in being like you. I hate people like you. People like you disgust me. What makes you think that I want to be like you. I can only assume that the people here who are promising that the abundance of drugs in the world will solve problems are trying to be funny or satirical, because otherwise, I have to assume you’re suffering from some form of psychosis, possibly brought on by years of smoking weed.
I’m just getting more and more pissed the more I think about how people want me to be a substance abuser like them (and believe me, I know people who want this), so I’ll sum it up like this: Don’t involve me in your weakness, and quit trying to promote something that’s making me so angry.
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Alright so you’re honestly going to sit there and tell me if you have the opportunity in this existence to reach another state of mind (or realm, whatever you wanna call it), you’re not going to take that opportunity? As I can see, either you have tried drugs and they effected you badly, or you have never tried them and are completely ignorant to the subject. Either way, I can tell through your writing and rage towards a completely innocent group of people, that you are not content living your “sober” lifestyle. I would respect you more if you could tell me why you’re so against anyone that uses a natural plants/fungi that have been used thousands of years to reach different mindsets. If you had approached this situation with a bit more explanation towards why you made your decision or maybe with a bit more gratitude and compassion, I could understand where you are coming from. Instead, you came in all guns and ammo, shooting everyone down; only really showing us that being sober makes you angry and unhappy. I’m going to keep smoking my pot and experiencing and looking at the world differently. I have no interest being like you. I hate people like you, you stupid straight edge people that know nothing (only mocking).
You need to relax and let people make their own decisions. Without properly being able to understand the subject, I don’t think you should approach it in the way you did.
@lytning91, “name ONE time where hatred has had a more positive effect than love and understanding? I will wait…”
There are some people in some situations who have gone past the point of no return, or simply were dicks, and there was never anything to understand about them. Sometimes you have to combat somebody, it’s the only way. Like in today’s world, we can try to “love and understand” the elite all we want, and in response they’ll turn our country into the 3rd world. No, there are some people that you have to oppose, call it hate, defense, or whatever you want.
All those examples you listed of “successful” stoners really are up to interpretation though, and frankly I don’t think they’re all that impressive. Unless you’re talking success in terms of money alone, which IMO isn’t really an indicator of anything. If you want to talk about music, I’m much more impressed when I heard in an interview that Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins decided not to use drugs at all, and still comes up with legitimate psychedelic rock.
I’m not even trying to hate here, I think weed should definitely be legal. I’m just saying, it’s just another intoxicant like alcohol, use it if you want to, but saying it’s magical is not an absolute truth. People who don’t like weed shouldn’t be crucified for it.
@lytning91, Though I still respect the OP’s opinion, for what it’s worth, I apologize. As things went on I simply became pissed off for no reason, and it built on itself like an avalanche. Though I think sticking to one’s guns can be a strength, in this case it was wasted since this is all opinion and personal choice anyway. Sorry
@theskafish, Obviously neither extreme is right, but he definitely set a tone for the kinds of responses he was going to receive. He basically told almost everyone on this site that:
“I have no interest in being like you. I hate people like you. People like you disgust me.”
You can try to form his words to make it about “forceful people,” but he definitely had an intent to disarm drug users (‘abuse’ as a descriptor here is simply worthless) with his choice of words, whether they were “forceful” or not.
In the end, we are completely certain that he has no 1st-hand knowledge on what it is like to be the people he is judging, nor can he describe accurately the feelings or epiphanies that others claim to receive. He goes so far as to say that all weed users are stuck in a twisted psychosis as a result of their abuse.
He asked to be attacked. He wants the attention. He will use the retaliations of those in this discussion to fuel his ignorance…until, one day, he comes to a legitimately-formed conclusion based on experience.
@theskafish, Much love friend. I still think you are dope and I mean…I respect both of your opinions. It’s always difficult to tread the lines between effective discussion and emotional debate.
I had a similar discussion with someone else not too long ago and, when I read back over it all, I was just very displeased with my behavior. It’s so easy to get overly passionate about something sometimes…I mean, passion is amazingly beautiful. In the wrong situation, it can be harnessed for REALLY bad stuff.
Again, though, Mad <3 for you. I don’t intend to let any bad blood ruin a connect I get to have with someone who has as much passion as you do. I will no doubt find your insight very revealing at another point in time.
@lytning91, I don’t know. It seems to me like people on here are just seeing the parts they want to see in his post and connecting the dots. Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them, but to say that you have no interest in being like someone, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. We all don’t want to be like a certain thing, otherwise maybe we’d be it. I really don’t think he was trying to attack anyone here, he even said that he has no problem with people who use substances. He has a problem when these users continually ask him to do something he does not want to do, not listening to him the first umpteen times he said “no.” Don’t you think that would get frustrating? Plus, I’m pretty sure you can abuse weed, you can abuse anything. I’ve known several people, myself included for a time, who would get into the habit of just smoking weed every day and never doing anything, never getting off the couch……looking back I’d have slapped myself sometimes, glad I decided to cut back (not eliminate, just reduce) big time while I still have half my 20′s to go.
“In the end, we are completely certain that he has no 1st-hand knowledge on what it is like to be the people he is judging, nor can he describe accurately the feelings or epiphanies that others claim to receive.”
In the end we are certain of nothing more than what he originally posted, but I think people on here are really missing the point, it’s not anti-drugs, it’s just another personal rant but people are jumping on him as if he just came out as a Nazi. Even if it is anti-drugs, so what? This is High Existence, not high school. We’re supposed to be openminded here, even towards people who don’t share our beliefs 100%………I don’t even know why I’m fighting someone else’s battle here, I guess I’m just disappointed in the mob mentality.
@lytning91 “people who are often uncertain of themselves and their place in life, in fact, DO use this attacking of the other side to combat their uncertainty.”
I agree completely. Trying to see things from the other’s perspective is probably the best way to discuss anything, trying to play the devil’s advocate against your own views. I also think it’s the best way to grow, but I guess I don’t completely understand why it’s so hard for some people to do.
Well it’s obvious that you have no experience with the drugs you’re so ignorantly lumping together. Don’t be angry that other humans are trying to share the experience of life with you–perhaps you’re just scared and angry from realizing how long and elaborately you’ve been fooled by society.
That’s the problem with fear, it has blocked you so deep into the corner that facts and experience about these drugs wouldn’t even reach your deaf ears. You’re no better than addiction when fear is your fix. It’s your safety blanket that protects you from heresy… you’re a fear junkie.
But I respect your current opinion of your path, I’ve been there too. Just be humble about it because when you realize how naive you are, that anger and fear will just come back. Live in love, not ignorance.
I just want to point out here, not all drug users are drug abusers. There is a very legitimate difference.
At the same time, no one should pressure you to partake, but if it is simply offered, I would be grateful for the opportunity, even if you dont appreciate what it means. And I am speaking from a hallucinogenic viewpoint. Using drugs together only has significant meaning to me while passing the peace pipe, and exploring the wonders of our existence. Anything else, I really dont have experience to speak.
But I know, an invitation to a trip is something I woukd cherish with an open heart, even if I didnt partake.
You have to accept that not everyone has always had it easy, and that not everyone was resourceful or lucky enough to find the “right” solutions. Some people get high as a way to escape reality, others for fun.
Which brings me to the fact that you shouldn’t hate people for choosing their own kind of fun. For some people a party is where you drink alcohol and dance, and for others it’s when you hang out at a skatepark and smoke week. I’m only talking soft drugs of course, I think each person must be responsible enough to weight the pros and cons of their actions, and hard drugs sure do have a lot of cons.