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jep (@tooth)    2 years, 12 months ago

i know that there hasnt been too much/ any research into the effects of consuming genetically modified produce…..from what i gather, it seems that most of the countries outside of the US have made it illegal to grow or have GMO food imported into their country. this is a really messed up situation because really, no matter what your diet you end up consuming these daily……whether its from the corn syrup in your ketchup, or the soy in your tofu, or pretty much anything else……i hate to think how these things are even spreading accidentally into farmers crops like a disease, and tainting food that is not even meant to be GMO. organic food is supposed to be safe, at least the growers try to keep it that way, but i fear that over the years it will end up in everything and eventually destroy all of the things that were naturally good from thousands of years of people replanting them to become better……i guess what i want to know though, is, besides the occasional allergic reaction, does anybody know of any other bad things these foods do to us when we consume them all of the time? because it seems to me that if you live in the US, you really cant avoid it….so whats the deal?

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 12 months ago ago

Thousands of years of replanting to improve IS genetic modification. All breeding is. Just because it wasn’t done in a lab doesn’t mean it’s not modified.

As long as there is a label saying clearly that it’s GMO (which there rarely is) it’s ok. As long as they don’t fool people into experiments they’re not doing anything wrong. Not all GMO is bad you know. I don’t eat GMO and it’s not hard to avoid if you don’t want it, not even in the US.

GMO isn’t the problem, your government is. The US government is nothing but a big problem.

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 12 months ago ago

i am not by any means an expert on the topic, i do not have any kind of science background. but i dont think the problem is genetic modification in general, i think it has more to do with what exactly they are modifying. for example, the problem isnt that they can alter a corn plant to grow more ears of corn, but the fact that the chemical companies that make the pesticides and herbicides are engineering plants solely for the purpose of NOT DYING when sprayed with copious amounts of chemicals. and not only that, but they are making these plants so that they HAVE to be sprayed with chemicals just to grow and survive. in other words, these plants would not grow with just water and sunlight. the problem is that farmers who have been growing and replanting their own seeds for generations, are now finding out that these altered plants have somehow made their way into their own supplies by accident and get mixed into the “gene pool” so to speak….contamination. Yes, when it comes down to it in the end everything is about money, and the biggest problem is the US government. there is no such thing as objective oversight in ANYTHING. when people say “hey shouldnt somebody be looking into such and such because it hasnt been studied for its health effects?” the US government says “oh you are so right, we need such and such oversight comittee” and then they go and hire the CEO of the chemical company to be the new Czar of this that or the other. Do you really think mister ex-CEO is really going to do a good job? its all a house of cards that is not standing up too well anymore. the government is corrupt from top to bottom…its disgusting.

http://www.thefutureoffood.com/onlinevideo.html

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Haakon (@hawcon)2 years, 12 months ago ago

Very interesting subject. I am afraid I can’t answer to your question whether it’s unhealthy to eat or not, people all over the world has many different viewpoints and “evidence” on both cases. The modern GMO technology is still very young (approx. 1990s -> if I’m not mistaken) and has enourmous potential of increasing yields (more food/acre), resilience (toughness against insetcs/parasites), nutrients (higher content of specific vitamins) and even pharmaceuticals (e.g. insulin) and vaccines (e.g. Hepatitis B). Inside the US I believe GMO food is mainly produced because of lower costs and higher profits. But if you look at the broader perspective, including the third world, the benefits of GMO food *CAN* be enormous.

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Ka (@kaciula)2 years, 12 months ago ago

First of all, genetically-modifed seeds are more expensive than normal seeds. Secondly, 90% of the GMO seeds are owned by the company Monsanto which has a lot of patents on it. Also, Monsanto is sueing organic farmers who have farms near GMO crops saying that they used their GMO seeds. Basically the GMO crops contaminated the organic crops and soon the farmers will lose their heirloom seeds and will be forced to buy GMO seeds from Monsanto. Thirdly, GMO seeds don’t reproduce so the farmer has to buy every year new seeds from Monsanto. This is absolutely RIDICULOUS. If there ever was such a thing as evil corporation, Monsanto is definitely one of them.

Also, one thing is to create hybrids through traditional methods and a completely different thing to use immature poorly-tested recombinant DNA technology to insert or delete gene sequences. I am all for using technology to improve the quality of life but let’s not give the ropes to our wellbeing to one corporation whose raison d’etre is to make as much money as possible and at any cost and whose technology is in its infancy.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 12 months ago ago

@Ka There are lots of “evil” corporations, Monsanto is just one of the major ones.

@jep Well, just buy stuff that you know isn’t GMO. A lot of the food that’s modified was bad from the start, like corn, wheat, soy, canola, sugar and a whole lot of other industrial crap that’s sold as food. Stay away from industrial food, it’s bad even when it’s not modified, and staying away from industrial food will guarantee that you don’t get GMO and artificial hormones.

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Ka (@kaciula)2 years, 12 months ago ago

@Emil, it’s not as simple as “buying stuff you know isn’t GMO”. For example, in my country they started planting genetically engineered onions (first ever in the world) and you have no clue when you buy the onions from the market which type they are. Even the farmers/peasants have no clue that they use GMO or not. They just get the seeds from a government institution and that’s it. Basically we’re guinea pigs for Monsanto because of the loans our corrupt government has made to the international monetary institutions.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 12 months ago ago

@Ka That’s a matter of viewpoint and approach. If you buy from someone reliable who knows his/her stuff there’s no risk. If you raise your food at home you know what you get. If you buy from companies that sell GMO food you’re supporting them.

Being passive means having no demands. If you want something better, you have to get it yourself. If you’re not gonna change it, accept it. Those are the options.

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Heather (@mrsgalouzis)2 years, 12 months ago ago

As far as GMO food is concerned I believe people have the right to be able to choose whether or not to eat it or not. I think it should be clearly labeled and I also believe that this should NOT give the regularly grown farmers the right to jack up their prices for naturally grown food. At least give us the choice.

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grass (@wombat86)2 years, 10 months ago ago

GMO food scares me. Nature and ecology are a balance that is so complex and beyond human understanding that we can’t even begin to predict what effects it will have to introduce alien DNA into the environment. This type of farming inevitably leads to super strains of pesticide resistant pathogens, weeds, and insects

Check out this video from the gmo film project: http://gmofilm.com/

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Well, the food industry is the dirtiest and most corrupt industry in the world (together with the medical industry.) It’s their game, if you buy commercial food you agree to their rules. Don’t demand change from others, if you don’t want their stuff you get your stuff from someone else or make it yourself. It’s that simple.

Nagging about their bad food and still buying it won’t make anything happen. You still buy their stuff, you’re telling them it’s ok to do what they do, they’ll keep on doing it because it makes a lot of money for them which is exactly what they want and the only thing they care about. If you stop buying their shit, they lose income, if lots of people stop buying it they are forced to change in order to meet the customer’s demands or perish. It’s that simple.

If you don’t want GMO food, just stop buying from the people who make it.

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 10 months ago ago

thanks for the link grass…..my mission in life lately has been to tell people about the whole gmo thing…..many people seem to not really care, but if a few people get the message and pass it on then it is a success for me. those kind of videos are good for posting on facebook, short and to the point. good for people who arent going to take the time to do too much digging otherwise.

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Avoiding GMO foods in the US is nearly, if not entirely impossible. That is unless you have the money or good fortune to have access to an entirely certified organic, and minimally processed foods diet. A lot more of us are falling toward the poverty line everyday in this country: I may prefer organic apples but I can can’t afford them. My point is is that choice is different from access. I choose organic yet have access to GMO.
Popular demand alone for GMO-free foods will not bring about change. First of all, most people don’t know what GMO really means or what the consequences may be to our health, culture, communities, and agricultural heritage… so why stop eating Doritos for our daily value of vitamin orange? The law protects Monsanto, not us and not our choice. Additionally, Monsanto employs all sorts of dirty tricks to ensure that most crops grown are GMO, so it’s in everything. Why? Because they are copy right protected which means money.
What to do?

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Jacy What do you mean you can’t afford it? If you can afford a computer and an internet connection, you can afford good food. If you think you can’t afford it, you’re just making the wrong priorities. Also, why would you need money? If you want organic apples, plant an apple tree and you will have plenty. You choose what you have access to. No one forces you to buy gmo, no one forces you to buy from commercial food chains, no one forces you to live in a country where real food is scarce, these are all your choices. You decide for yourself, if you choose to settle for their shit you also choose to accept their rules. That’s how it works.

Popular demand means everything in the market. That’s why advertising is so huge, that’s why customer service is constantly growing, that’s why the popular brands get even more popular and the other ones are forgotten. What’s demanded more is what will sell best. If people stop buying commercial, industrial “food” and start buying real food, the bad companies will either change or perish. That’s how it works. And this stuff happens fast.

This is all about lack of initative, fear of doing anything. If you want something to change, you go first and change it. If you don’t do that, you have no right to demand anything.

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@ Manimal
If only it could be so easy to solve this prob simply by following all of your recommendations (individually, theoretically true) and admonitions (pretty presumptive and personal, no?). But life is not often that simple. Something has to give somewhere. GMO is in everything that’s in my price range and no amount fervor or wishful equation-making will allow a body to be nourished by ideals alone…I can’t not eat.

I do what I can with the resources that are available to me at this time. Money talks and in the future I will have more at my disposal, and then I will be putting my money where my mouth is so to speak. Until then I have only words and my ideal to develop and share through dialog, which does have genuine power.

People capable buying their ideal (example: food) do not themselves wholly or in part own that ideal physically, spiritually, nor intellectually. I can/should/will talk about it all I like and I believe my voice has value, however unquantifiable by $$$, thank you sir.

I believe that while your troll-rant was written @me, you were talking more of the broader US demographic… . I can see how you would be frustrated by the sheeple at large. I am too, and believe me I am familiar with the concepts that you wrote of. I would use less “you”-statements though as your too-personal choice of words serves to encourage defensive opposition as opposed to cooperation and dialog.

Oh, and thanks for the warm welcome to HE.

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

P.S. Where in my yardless, north facing, urban apartment shall I plant this apple tree?

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@manimal, i agree and disagree with you on some points…..keep in mind that my perspective also comes from a lower middle class perspective….since i first began my huge anti-GMO fight a few months ago, i have learned quite a bit about what is and what is not feasible when trying to shop on a relatively tight budget (about $60 a week for two people).

-it IS possible to avoid GMO entirely, but what ends up happening is that you can get really limited in choices. for example, if i want tomatoes that cost $3 (non organic), or tomatoes that are $6 (organic), i just end up skipping the tomatoes altogether

-certain organic items (like bananas for example) only end up costing about about 20 cents more per lb. more than “regular”, that is fine and good, so i end up eating a LOT of bananas, or rice or whatever it may be

-even after much time spent researching online, i am still not sure exactly EVERYTHING that is GMO. i know that the three biggest offenders are corn, soy, and canola, so i will not buy anything containing those (about 80% of items in stores), unless they are organic. some sites list like 8 major GMO crops and others list many more, but i dont think it is everything in the produce section. i believe there are still many things that have not been altered by science (like celery, potatoes, spinach, etc.)

-where i live right now, there is no way i am ever growing anything in our own yard (we live in the ghetto, so there are always groups of people hanging in the back yard or cutting thru or running from cops). i came up with a solution of growing gardens in the forest of other peoples land without permission (not soon enough this season), and i think its a viable option, but i have yet to try it.

-it is the right time of year to buy directly from farmers at farm markets or fruit stands, and you can get quite a discount by going at the end of the day and talking to the farmer, buying up the things with little “deformities” that other people didnt want to buy (no worries they still taste good)

-my girlfriend and i are about to move to honolulu, and that is quite a feat, given our situation, but another country is definitely not an option, i have looked into it and it can get quite expensive…

long story short? (this is for Jam N) it definitely is very possible to eat entirely GMO free food on a relatively tight budget, but it can get somewhat tricky at times, and a lot of creativity is needed when trying to cook with some of the same ingredients all of the time…it really takes a big change in diet altogether, and my taste buds have actually changed quite a bit in the process (things that used to seem bland are now very good)….but i wouldnt change it for the world, because i am doing my part in trying to change the industrialized food problem, and at some point if enough people like me are working at it, there will be a tipping point that wont be possible to ignore

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@jep
I don’t think that people who think that they have a tight budget realize just how much tighter other peoples’ budgets can get. Some people don’t get eat much at all some days and it’s not because Gucci and getting they nails did come first.

@those who think computer is luxury
Some people who have noooo money do have a computer and an internet connection. Explanation: College means sacrifice AND that computer and internet are necessary. A student may need to work during library hours but then need to write a research paper.

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Jam N- welcome to HE btw! i have spent a lot of time here, and i can see how you could take offense to manimal, but believe me when i say he is not actually being a troll…..thats just how he is, dont take it personal! if you want a good example of a troll, check out any of the older threads where alien51 was involved, and you will see what i mean…

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jep (@tooth)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@Jam N- ya i hear you about the ultra tight budget, i have spent a lot of time there also….if the bottom line is either “eat dollar menu” or “buy a leaf of lettuce”, i would eat dollar menu too…..youre still in school and have many years ahead, dont worry about it till you can afford it…..

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

Ha ha, k I’ll check it. Oh, Manimal. He reminds me slightly a good friend that I engage in hilariously adversarial banter with, except manimal doesn’t know me well enough for anything that he said to be particularly funny.
Thanks fer the welcome btw!

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grass (@wombat86)2 years, 10 months ago ago

This is a bit off topic, but those of us who are in an urban setting have the potential to grow a portion of our own food organically year round using natural sunlight and hydroponics: http://www.windowfarms.org/
I just found that site today and I can’t wait to get a system going in my apartment! The site claims you can get one salad per week from it, which isn’t a lot but every little bit of self-sufficiency helps!

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@grass- Ya, this is cool. Once you get it you may be able to reverse engineer it and build your own. That would be fun.

I wish I had access to my roof top, I would have a bitchin apartment farm for shizzle. Stark Bro’s plant nursery sells miniature fruit trees, and other tasty things that I’ve been longing to grow for years.
Roof top chickens, anyone? Chickens are cool animals and real eggs are so good.
Butchering chickens is so interesting and fun in a gaining knowledge and participating in food production sort of way, but is disturbing in an I was just feeding clover to this living bird and now it’s dead sort of way.
Sigh. I want to get up there really bad.

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ELI var namnet (@manimal)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@jep I came from the working class, and I was dirt poor for a long time, still I didn’t eat gmo. I understand your perspective, but it simply isn’t a good perspective. A tight budget isn’t much of an obstacle.

-First of all, are tomatoes that important? Not really. If you buy unnecessary foods, of course it will cost more. Tomatoes aren’t cheap and they don’t offer that much nutrition.

-Stuff like rice is also completely unnecessary. Sure it’s cheap, but it offers no value at all. It’s unnecessary bulk, not real food, therefor it’s a waste of money. Stuff like eggs and beans are super cheap and they contain lots of nutrition.

-Soy, canola and corn are shit, even when they’re not gmo. No nutritional value, and they’re poison. Complete waste of money. This is what I’m talking about, people buy unnecessary stuff and then they say they get too little money. Work harder, buy spartan, that’s how you live on a budget.

-You can always start out small, growing indoor. That forest garden idea is great too.

@Jam It IS that easy. You’re just making excuses. Of course you have to eat, but do you have to eat as much? Do you have to eat unnecessary bulk foods that give you nothing? Do you eat stuff just for their taste? You’re avoiding the problem.

There are always loads and loads of resources available to you, just because you don’t take them doesn’t mean they aren’t available. You’re making excuses, you could work harder and get more money, instead of blaming others for your situation.

I can afford my ideal simply because I wouldn’t accept not affording it. I had a weekly budget of 7 dollars, I didn’t complain and I stayed healthy. I worked my way to the top, and now I can afford what I want. If you have an ideal that you’re not following, you’re just making yourself miserable. I worked hard, and now I can sit back and enjoy my resources, because I earned them. If you want something, earn it, that’s how you get what you want. Stop making excuses, stop blaming others, it’s all about you.

I use direct statements, I do not beat around the bush, there’s nothing wrong with that. If you take it personally, that’s because you know you’re making excuses, you get defensive. You’re resisting. People get defensive because of themeselves, not because of how people express their message. Stop making excuses.

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Jam N (@jamscape)2 years, 10 months ago ago

@manimal-
Good for you, you can put your money where your mouth is, feel all puffed up about it and want to pontificate. I’ve heard enough. What you are saying to me says more about you than it does about myself, anyhow. I read between the lines that your view on food may be the only thing you have in your life to feel passionate about or to bolster your self esteem, and I’m sorry for you.
You don’t own the dream of healthy food and you never will, so I really can talk about it all I want and I will…. Even while eating a tainted GMO-grain fed egg, which I am very grateful to have even as I strive for something better.

You are living in Europe at the moment according to your profile, right? You might want to do some research on the current food-scape in the US before you bitch about my bitching so you may have a clue as to what it is you are shouting at me. Monsanto owns the USDA and that deeply affects what is available here. Your logic applied to everybody/everywhere/everytime is untenable. If you feel so right, then write a book and allow me to decline to buy it.

I know that I’m delicious just by responding to you (and so shouldn’t respond), but you feeding on me is incredibly rude. No more @manimal for you. I’m not a goat trying to cross a bridge and you are not literally a troll.

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Anonymous (@)1 year, 10 months ago ago

Just over a year later… Maybe somebody has some new info? Anyone?

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