Has anyone kicked opiates?

2 years, 3 months ago

Has anyone got through an opiate addiction? If so..what state of mind did you have to put yourself in to get through it? and if you have got over an addiction to opiates have you ever really gotten over it or does it still provoke with the idea that your never going to be fully you again and will forever linger through your thoughts?

September 17, 2012 at 10:10 am

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Profile photo of Devyn Jenae Devyn Jenae (@djeflowyoga) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Hey, we all have our addictions, it is in our basic nature to pursue pleasure and minimize any pain whether it be physical, mental or emotional it all ends up being one holistic issue, with that being said, ask yourself some deeper questions, to get at the root of the use in the first place, from there be compassionate towards yourself and remember how important it is to take it day by day.

For some actual relief physically and mentally a lot of deep breathing and gentle yoga poses( you can look up restorative yoga online) when you feel stressed or have the urge to use. There is also a wonderful plant called Mitragyna speciosa, it is a large tree in the Rubiaceae family native to Southeast Asia in the Indochina and Malesia floristic regions. The leaf of the tree has been traditionally used for its medicinal properties and is known as kratom, you may be able to find this in a head shop depending on where you live or online- it has helped many friends of mine kick opiates.

Also- remember, we are all a little broken, we are all living among chaos beyond our natural state’s ability to react, so take it easy on yourself, take it day by day and start looking inward for answers, externalities of any kind are never the answer.
Have a great day hope this helps!
-D

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Profile photo of D Dub21 D Dub21 (@ddub21) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Thanks alot..it always helps to hear things from a different perspective..

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Profile photo of Jeslyn Jeslyn (@jeslyntweedie) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@ddub21,

Well. Kind of.

I had a major surgery on my ankle a few years ago, and got some bones screwed together for a while. As a product of this I was prescribed an obscene amount of percocet. A 90ct bottle every month for 3 months.

And it is. Well it’s an interesting drug. And I did like it a lot.

And the physical withdrawals are something terrible. I hated it. My physical body had never reacted like that to something and I hated it.

I’ve never had an exactly addictive personality though, so I got through it. But I know a lot of people who have fallen down some dark paths, and I don’t see them getting out. I’ve witnessed a lot of it first hand so I think that’s helped me a lot.

And the nature of the drug, well I see how easy it would be to get stuck there.

Then months later a friend of mine got some for some injury, and gave me a few. And it’s just.

It really fucks with you. It’s like ultimate escapism, and numbness. Which is this weird kind of almost-happiness, or contentedness. It’s just–well not really giving a damn about anything. Along with the floaty body high and all that too. It’s a dangerous combination. It gets really dangerous though, if you’re in a place of conflict in your life, or lack support, or direction, or stability. And then, the more you do, the more you can tolerate, and it’s just this cycle of dependence.

I guess I don’t know how to help you, and I can’t really. I can tell you my story, and that I’ve been physically addicted to it, but not mentally. And asking for the stories of recovered addicts is inspiring. But you won’t find a lot of them thanking themselves. They thank their friends, and their family who wanted help for them. Because, even after addiction–it’s hard to admit that it was all your fault in the first place. But also was you, and only you who could get you back out of it. You’re admitting you need help so you probably realize this already on some level at least, and that’s good!

Beating addiction is a mind game. And the game within your mind is one of the hardest ones to navigate through and beat. But it’s possible. You have everything you need within yourself already. It’s just identifying the appropriate things and exercising them to the forefront. Which is tough coming from a place where you don’t really mind anything at all, not even yourself.

You find what you need, on an individual level. What did you used to love to do before? Start doing it again and see how you feel. Start feeling, for real. Feeling good, not in an almost-happy way. But in a genuine natural, way.

Opiates are truly one of the scariest things to me. I value my strength in dealing with substances, or strength in defending my own mindset and not letting things influence me. That drug influenced my thinking a whole lot. Granted, I wasn’t doing normal things, I couldn’t walk anyway–but the mind-state it puts you in. It’s not reality, it’s escaping your life.

I don’t mean to be rude or anything in this so don’t take it that way, these are my own personal opinions and experiences with this, and I hope it helps, but also I know–that you can only help yourself truthfully, no one can kick it for you.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@ddub21, Yep I kicked that addiction twice. First time from heroin, and second time from various opiates/opioids.

What you gotta do is cut the addiction at its root, that is deep inside your mind.
First of all, MEDITATION. Gotta still your mind, let the chaos go away, and you will get so many insights into what’s going on in your mind.

Second thing you should learn is what I call self-therapy. Doing what a psychotherapist does, but to yourself, much more efficient and doesn’t cost anything.
The first thing you should make a habit of is asking questions, the most important question being WHY.
Why did you start using? Why did you keep using? What’s keeping you addicted? What are you doing about it? Why isn’t it working? Why are you addicted? Just keep asking yourself questions like this over and over.

Also, learning release techniques helps A WHOLE LOT. That’s how you can really cut away at your mental chaos, directly and efficiently. Both meditation and questioning help make this practice easier and more effective.
The basic gist of it is: find the issue, and let it go. There’s a great book called “The presence process – a healing journey into present moment awareness” by Michael Brown. You could also check out some material by Lester Levenson, he explains the release method very well.

You could try positive affirmations too, they work wonders for some people with all kinds of shit.

Another KEY concept to get rid of the root cause for good is to work on your life.
If you enjoyed your life, you wouldn’t do drugs, as long as you live a life that you don’t enjoy you’re prone to relapse. Because the root cause will keep re-manifesting itself, since it’s just a natural result of how you’re living.
Get yourself some worthwhile “hobby” that you’re passionate about, work out, find someone to fuck, read some interesting books, that kind of stuff. Make life more enjoyable.

Also, whenever you really feel that “need” for a fix, give yourself some other less harmful pleasure instead. A tasty meal, a joint, whatever floats your boat, just no opiates. If you only feel the “need” slightly, just go meditate or work out instead.

Also, I found it harder to kick speed than opiates. I didn’t need all those techniques and stuff to kick opiates, just meditation, questioning and better habits. But for speed, I had to employ all this stuff.
There are lots of people who have kicked opiates, you can do it to. You just gotta put in the damn effort that’s required. Hell, you really could do it by effort alone, without techniques and stuff, but those techniques and habits make it easier.

JUST DON’T GIVE IN. It’s really that simple.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@jeslyntweedie, Good post. What kind of opiates were you on?

@djeflowyoga, Kratom IS addictive, and it’s highly toxic too. It’s very similar to opiates. And just so you know, a whole bunch of people have DIED from kratom just within the last couple years.

Substituting one drug with another, barely researched and potentially more harmful, one isn’t very wise.
If using the “reduction and substitution” method, it would be wiser to just lower the dosage and/or gradually switch to weaker opiates, and then replace those weaker ones with something like weed and then kicking that too.

Kratom is not a good substitute for opiates. Opiates are quite safe in normal quantities, the effects are studied and well known. Kratom is a whole ‘nother story, and just like I said, there have been lots of news reports the last couple of years about people who died from kratom.

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Profile photo of Jeslyn Jeslyn (@jeslyntweedie) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@manimal,

Thanks, you too.

Percocet. Which is oxycodone. Thing is though, the doctors just gave me a fucking lot of it. I was younger, I did what the instructions told me.

But the whole medical community knows very well that even when taken “properly”–opiates have a high inclination for feeding into addictive behavior. Which is just really fucked up.

I’ve been around heroin too. I mean I’ve been around most things at one point or another. And a lot of heroin users I know floated into it from a situation like that. Where they were prescribed opiates for a surgery, or injury or something. And they had some some instability somewhere in their lives, and well. Yea.

I don’t know much about the drug scenes overseas, but in America it’s a choking and strangling and seriously twisted situation.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

@jeslyntweedie, I see, Oxy. A lot of people falling for that one these days.

Doctors often give too much. Especially in a country where the prescription rules are pretty much made by the people who produce the stuff. If you just make each prescription just a little bit longer, it adds up to a fortune. “The American way.”

I hadn’t tried much of the medicinal shit before I got with the horse. Just small doses of methadone and subutex. It’s funny, because I did heroin a couple of times without getting hooked or anything like that, and I used a lot of other drugs too. Then I stopped using drugs.
Then I did some stupid stuff which ended up wrecking my mind, I mean I was a total mess, and so I wanted to just take the edge off for a bit, so I got some H and went down the spiral.

I got out of it after some time though, with no desire to go back. But I was doing some other drugs (no opiates) from time to time, then I ended up dating a girl who was doing various opiates, and we started using them together. And shit got bad. But eventually I managed to kick it.

Although I’ve tried a few more times just to make sure that the addiction is really gone. And it is. I have no desire whatsoever for that stuff. I don’t even toke or drink.

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Profile photo of Devyn Jenae Devyn Jenae (@djeflowyoga) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@manimal, I was simply offering a NATURAL alternative which I see poeple safely use every day. Opiates may be “safe” in normal quantities however, they are full of toxic chemicals that slowly eat away at your body and soul, and using them supports the pharmaceutical companies which create customers NOT cures. There may have been overdoses of Kratom yes, but there have ALSO been several overdoses on opiates thus- it all comes down to appropriate use and education, as well as listening to your own body.

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Profile photo of rr11ccee rr11ccee (@rr11ccee) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

Move to IEU Kratom for a while and taper off from there. Should be much easier!

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Profile photo of rr11ccee rr11ccee (@rr11ccee) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

Ibogaine root which can be order legally I believe through ethnobotanical websites is also a proven “cure”.

I got off Oxy’s and it was a bitch but nothing like getting off a long term Valium/Diazepam habit.

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Profile photo of Kazi Kazi (@kazi) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

ive never had an addiction to them but i have done them before. i do know friends who do/did them and the ones who got out of it were just tired of getting dope sick. i also have one friend who is mostly dependent on it because he has too much access. I think forcing yourself to face dope sickness and cutting off your contacts would be a good start, and if its really bad try to slow it down and try out methadone or ibogaine.

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Profile photo of ELizard ELizard (@heavydreamz) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

The only thing that will prevent you from recovering is you! You decide.

I’ve been wondering about Ibogaine, sounds profound. Find a shaman for an Ayahuasca or Iboga journey!!

Also, Kratom! I don’t have personal experience using it to detox from opiates but it reportedly works wonders for some people with withdrawal symptoms and cravings. I find it to be a beautiful and powerful even somewhat psychedelic plant. Its enjoyable in an opiate type way but FAR less habit forming and physically addictive. Think of it like nicorette, except this happens to be a beautiful medicinal plant that can ease the pains. Less is more with the stuff!

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years, 1 month ago ago

@djeflowyoga, First of all, opiates are not full of bad chemicals, opiates are opioid alkaloids, the only chemical in an opiate is that very opiate. Yes, the products have some other chemicals in them beside the opiates, but the opiates don’t.
Those bad chemicals are also found in the kratom products. Plus, both kratom and the opiates are toxic chemicals on their own, they drain your body and mind without the help of anything else.

Some of those opiates come pretty close to natural, and natural opioids are very common too.
Something being natural doesn’t mean it can’t be toxic… Scorpions, cobras and soy beans are natural…
Plus, the commercial kratom has other stuff in it. Drug dealers create customers, just like big pharma, same goes for all big markets, it’s all about the dough. To be able to sell those quantities at affordable prices and still make decent income, you gotta use shifty methods.

If kratom was as popular as opiates, there would be as much fuzz about it as there is about opiates. Kratom is not that well-known to the public, and it doesn’t show up on drug tests, and there’s not much research done on it, so the data is very unreliable. There could be a whole lot more overdoses than you think.
This goes for all RCs and lesser known natural drugs. The customers are pretty much guinea pigs, ones that pay too, it’s a lucrative booming business for the scumbags.

An alternative is not a solution. An addictive substance is an addictive substance. You don’t fight addiction by switching to another substance.
As for the appropriate use thing, that makes no difference between kratom and opiates, or weed and other drugs either.

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Profile photo of Devyn Jenae Devyn Jenae (@djeflowyoga) 2 years ago ago

@manimal, Kratom is an herb, it is organic, has had 0 fatalities.. the drugs produced by the pharmaceutical companies are in fact dangerous and they do not care about you or me..they are ran by the same fucked up corporations that run the government.

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Profile photo of ELI var namnet ELI var namnet (@manimal) 2 years ago ago

@djeflowyoga, Doesn’t matter if it’s organic. There’s lots of fully natural organic poison out there.

There are several reported fatalities from kratom. And you can bet your ass there’s a shitload more who died but they never found out it was due to kratom.
Hell, I knew a guy who died from that shit.

So don’t fucking tell me it’s not dangerous, because it’s fucking deadly.

Don’t be such an ass.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 2 years ago ago

My father has (addicted to heroin for half a year or so), I think e was done with it at some point and he quit.
His advice to me was never to try opiates and I don;t intend to do so.

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Profile photo of TCAli818 TCAli818 (@tcali818) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

I was long time meth user then got into heroin went to jail was so sick dry heaving for 4 days non stop, quite painfull. Then I got out a couple days later and the first thing i do is get right back on it. Eventualy i got on methadone. I have spent the better part of my life since i was nineteen on methadone maintance programs getting off for almost two years once before heroin came back into my life. I just had my last dose of methadone 5days ago and i cannot sleep and mylegs hurt constantly. At least I didnt get sick because i tapered off over a few months. I hope the pain and restless leg movements will stop soon. @ddub21,

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Profile photo of Katie Katie (@ktbjamminman) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

I Have been an addict since I was 14. Opiates. And no offense to all you meditation freaks and yoga fiends out there but the truth is when you are really detoxing and are sick, there is no sitting still and being comfortable and thinking straight, its next to impossible. Really hot showers and baths, music, and conversation ALWAYS will help you. Get yourself out of your head. Watching tv and feeling bad for yourself will cause you to focus on every single ache and pain your experienceing, 50% of which is in your head, the other 50% is diarrhea , leg cramps, running nose, hot and cold feelings, restlessness, headaches, not being able to sleep. and all around hating life. the trick to coming all the way off and staying that way is CUTTING LOOSE all those people you didnt want to. and visualizing who you want to be, keeping that person in mind allll throughout the pain! GOODLUCK and god bless whatever u want to take that for ;)

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Profile photo of Katie Katie (@ktbjamminman) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

suboxone, tho very controversial among other users ive seen on the internet, takes the junkie part away but your still on drugs. just less cheap and legal drugs if you go to a doc. Takes away your cravings. Fills your opiate receptors in your head letting your body feel like its high. and also not letting anything else get in. Maybe think about that.

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Profile photo of Sugar Magnolia Sugar Magnolia (@melissaurban1991) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

you need a lifestyle change. change everything. people places and things. it’s the only way.

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Profile photo of thedudeabides thedudeabides (@thedudeabides) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@ddub21, i was a heroin and oxycotin addict for almost 20 years. i kicked. hit me up if you wanna talk, i’ve come to a way of living through spiritual principals that is fundamentally different and infinitely better than anything i’ve known up to this point. my worst day sober is better than my best day sticking needles in my arm

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

I’ve heard that Ayahuasca can do wonders for heroin or methadone addicts, or addictions in general, really.
I’m sure some of you have heard of Iboga clinics? That seems to be a good way to go too.

Btw, I have no experience with opiates, so I don’t really know anything about this. Just sharing some info.

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Profile photo of  Anonymous (@) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@djeflowyoga, kratom isn’t a good alternative.

harmful to the liver as well.

but, i love kratom <3
it just makes me feel like shit if I take too much

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Profile photo of owenkellogg owenkellogg (@owenkellogg) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

Wow. I really feel sorry for those addicted to these substances. I’ve heard a lot of horror stories. I’ve been injured on the job a few times over the years and was prescribed/given opiates for the pain. I threw the shit away everytime and just dealt with the pain and discomfort Stoic-style – with a little ibuprofen and some whiskey. I’m too scared of getting hooked on that stuff.

Being hooked on cigarettes and coffee is the worst vice I ever plan on having.

I wish everyone well in dealing with their addictions. I know it must be hell.

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Profile photo of D Dub21 D Dub21 (@ddub21) 1 year, 10 months ago ago

@manimal, thanks for the techniques ive been using some of them and have been clean for a little over 6 months no methodone or any other alternatives just some of the things that have worked for you…thank you

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