Have you ever heard about the Venus Project?
Well, first of all I want to apologize myself if I make any grammar errors while writting this post, my native lenguage is spanish, but I’ll try to de my best :)
If you have ever watched de Zeitgeist documentaries, you might be familiar with this concept, but if you are not I will Introduce it for you.
It is a project about changing our society, without injustice, poverty, scaricity, monetari sistem. It is a project based on a Resource Based Economy “a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.” -Jacque Fresco
So, I would explain it to you, but I think it is better if the same creator of this project, Jacque Fresco, explains it to you.
Here is the link to the website: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Watch the video of the homepage to get informed and if you find it interesting keep watching videos in the website and get involved! :)
The video is in English and has subtitles in over 30 lenguages!
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I have this fucked up-crazy ass idea that if
YOU are nice to everyone, and present the idea that OTHERSshould be nice as well. All will be well.
I believe our downfall since the industrial revolution was the idea that ‘its ok to step on other people to get to where you need to go’. Hence why I have a strong dislike for the people who say this phrase.
We don’t need the revolutions of infrastructure and governmentation and legality. We need a change of personal awareness and social interaction. A revolution of all the ‘self’s around earth.
In my honest opinion, none of these revolutions will become mainstream – they may even divide people even more. “I’m from the venus project, therefore I’m smarter than you” kind of mentality I can see arising if these were to catch on.
I think the world’s crisis is a homogenizing of our ego’s and social acceptances. I think we either need to stir it the fuck up or start promoting “Hey, you’re really nice.”
@ijesuschrist, you said that “YOU are nice to everyone, and present the idea that OTHERSshould be nice as well.” the first part is true and valid, but as soon as you expect others to do as you want them or anything for that matter is going against all. And as soon as they don’t do as you wish you resist them and their values.
Also, the only person saying this ““I’m from the venus project, therefore I’m smarter than you” kind of mentality” is you. The Venus Project does not teach these values at all, in fact, they see this mentality highly unacceptable. They teach equality and want to stray from capitalistic thinking, like that statement.
@beyond, you mentioned: “If that project was how the whole world worked now, the world would try to change it again, because everyone would love to divide their monotonic dull routine with a new exciting idea of the future. Isn’t it human nature to try to change its own to keep its own?” In The Venus Project there are no more “dull” routines like monotonous jobs, those are all done by technology. Anything you are capable to do is avalable to you. If you want to do something new and exciting then your empowered to do so, no need to look to you future. There is plenty of resources on earth for everyone to live like this, but there is not enough money do do the same. For The Venus Project to work everything on Earth must be declared everyones on Earth. If that were to be implaied there is no more need of money at all. If you wanted something you can get it for free, so what crime do you see still being present? I still see there being agruements and bar fights but you can’t steal something that is free.
Look in to what tech. is needed for The Venus Project and what tech. we have now and you’ll see we have had it for a while now. We have the technology the create things to last for years and years but chose not to because then we would not buy another. 30years ago the phone companies had to service their phones so they never broke down….ever and they don’t. I bet that old wired house phone still works great. We can build things today that dont need servicing for years but there is no MONEY in it. :/
If you have questions or are interested in The Venus Project please check out the 45mins INTRO to an resourse-based econ. on HighExistence.com or on the home page of TheVenusProject.com
@ijesuschrist, Society is pretty ridiculous to begin with. Converting all society is the dream of helluva lot people and they are probably more than those appreciating what they already have. When everyone is having hopes for their future and following the same or similar moral belief system, a reason to live differently would excite them, and some kind of exciting change to their personal lives that won’t be as monotonous is what would motivate them to work and follow. If that project was how the whole world worked now, the world would try to change it again, because everyone would love to divide their monotonic dull routine with a new exciting idea of the future. Isn’t it human nature to try to change its own to keep its own?
@smalls, The people that do it for genuine reasons such as love for helping others will still do that job. Imagine how many smart people out there would love to be a doctor but don’t have the money to go to school, or they want to be a teacher but don’t because they don’t get paid enough. Thats how it works, when you are educated differently and the system is not regulated by government based on subsidies and money things will change. People will do the jobs they love and some people honestly love being an engineer or doctor, and not just for the money. Think of all the pro-bono work that is done by these people, and the time spent at home by engineers designing their own projects just for fun. Thats why it will work. Not everyone is inherently lazy, people just get unmotivated because they think they are good enough, or they think don’t do something because lack of money etc.
@epiphanyaddict, The Venus Project is BASED around resourses, directly. Capitalism is BASED around money, directly. Also, there IS NO resourses behind this money! NONE. NO GOLD NO SILVER, NOTHING! And saying “the way humans naturally proliferate and conduct economic actions” is less valid. lol didn’t humans NATURALLY live in caves way back when. If we were bound to human nature or “the way humans naturally proliferate” we would still be in those caves. Human Nature evolves.
@ijesuschrist, If it were implemented correctly we would all be one in the same. We would all live in our own villages/communities/hubs with all the available technology and resources we need, just in different locations. Everyone and everything equal. Its meant to be a worldwide change, not one small part of society. I am sure there would be some people that would still choose to live off the land on their own out in the woods and theres nothing wrong with that, and I honestly dont see people thinking their better than the next person just because they live in a city center. Well i take that back, but it wouldnt stop this new society from functioning the way it is meant to.
I’ve heard about it and completely love the idea. It doesn’t seem like we would see it become something in society anytime soon though. Maybe after World War 3 we can have a chance at starting over as humans and implement this project in some way? :D
Sounds like a contradiction, “national service” but then you don’t have to do what you do not want to do. That is the flaw people see in such a system, that there will be people who enjoy all the benefits but not add anything to maintain the system. The workload of those with the conscience to work multiplies to compensate for all the people who have no inclination to pull their weight.
I think that is very much a cultural factor, one that would largely be eliminated by such a fundamental shift in how a society works. People are selfish now because that is how the system forces them to adapt. There is the individual identity and the humanity identity, a duality that exists within each of us, but our society currently ignores the humanity identity, it is basically little more than a consideration of conscience that is contrary to how this system is supposed to work.
When you place an appropriate balance in the system between the individual and humanity as standard, you start to see a complimentary relationship between the individual and humanity, the individual contributes to humanity because humanity provides for the individual.
Such a culture would generally fail to raise any reasonable argument as to why the setup is unjust and so generally people would be willing to contribute.
@romantictaoist, War doesn’t have to be the answer but this system will have to collapse before we could see a change like this. Like mass riots every where. People decide when that happens, if the majority of people get fedup enough to stop buying things or prices became too high and wages too low, everything would stop working. Then change. Till then all we can do is talk and learn. :)
If the world was in a ‘Venus Project’ life style, we would be having the same discussion about how people want to start a capitalist-based society like what we have now.”
That is not necessarily true, if you have all you need and can have anything that is reasonable to have then all it would leave is things that are unreasonable to have, things that cause environmental and social impact that is counter-productive toward the long term survival of humanity or destructive to the short-term peace and stability of humanity.
That is all Capitalism could offer us in such a situation, the right to destroy the planet and unjustly harm other people :)
@hulklol, I’ve heard of this and I think that it’s very progressive and if we strive for it, we can achieve it. Everything in our system is broken, and it needs an overhaul – this and the valhalla project I think are great starts. :) thanks for sharing!
@ijesuschrist, Indeed. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi explained it as “the ever -wandering mind” which will never be satisfied because its satisfaction is based upon temporary stimulations rather than a permanent happiness. The only way to achieve this temporary state of pure bliss is to center your Self and your focus; to get more connected to the universal soul. What you think?
I think one thing to remember is that although the Star Trek universe works on that principle I mentioned they also still have a credit system working with it.
This is because there are indulgences that are environmentally and socially acceptable or manageable but the workload or production barriers make it impractical for everyone to have them whenever they want.
So it would still make sense to order society in a minimalized incarnation of a credit based system.