Have you ever heard about the Venus Project?
Well, first of all I want to apologize myself if I make any grammar errors while writting this post, my native lenguage is spanish, but I’ll try to de my best :)
It is a project about changing our society, without injustice, poverty, scaricity, monetari sistem. It is a project based on a Resource Based Economy “a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.” -Jacque Fresco
So, I would explain it to you, but I think it is better if the same creator of this project, Jacque Fresco, explains it to you.
Here is the link to the website: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I’m sure most people here have heard of this. I personally think it’s a horrible idea with major flaws.
@drunkmonkmeth, so you thing the society we are living in is just good as it is? Or do you think it need a change? If so, wich change?
@hulklol, I think it is very possible :) I have faith in our kind and everyother kind that has a peaceful approach to life.
You have my curiosity.. why is it a horrible idea and what are its major flaws? Please enlighten us!
a country place Auroville in south India have this system kinda like and its just a experiment, they are trying this venus project, but im not sure if they call it like that. Pretty much its the same thing.
@hulklol, I’ve heard of this and I think that it’s very progressive and if we strive for it, we can achieve it. Everything in our system is broken, and it needs an overhaul – this and the valhalla project I think are great starts. :) thanks for sharing!
Can somebodey see the times on the posts, some are there for months… (mindfuck)
I did hear of it but I don’t think it will work in a system promoting entertainment with budgets and speeds high enough to keep people self-indulgent to have high budgets and fast competition and afford losses. I also think that the continuation of inherited territory is always going to prevail since showing a futuristic utopia is closer to an idealistic view of democracy than the individualistic or group reality that would come up with an idea as this. Would the people in the world ironically invest in it even if it doesn’t benefit their finances? If yes, isn’t this counter productive to their survival?
@hulklol, Dont present him with dichotomy options if he sees something as a horrible idea it does not necessarily imply an agreement with the current system dont be rude.
@nakedape, Well prices are a representation of resources according to scarcity which is a natural undenaible reality which should be inherently obvious. Secondly the fact that resources are measured in subjective price values insinuates that we are inevitably already a resourced based economy. to insinuate that we are a war based economy is not necessarily wrong but your attacking factors of production not the resources we are obtaining.
I have this fucked up-crazy ass idea that if
I believe our downfall since the industrial revolution was the idea that ‘its ok to step on other people to get to where you need to go’. Hence why I have a strong dislike for the people who say this phrase.
We don’t need the revolutions of infrastructure and governmentation and legality. We need a change of personal awareness and social interaction. A revolution of all the ‘self’s around earth.
In my honest opinion, none of these revolutions will become mainstream – they may even divide people even more. “I’m from the venus project, therefore I’m smarter than you” kind of mentality I can see arising if these were to catch on.
I think the world’s crisis is a homogenizing of our ego’s and social acceptances. I think we either need to stir it the fuck up or start promoting “Hey, you’re really nice.”
@ijesuschrist, If it were implemented correctly we would all be one in the same. We would all live in our own villages/communities/hubs with all the available technology and resources we need, just in different locations. Everyone and everything equal. Its meant to be a worldwide change, not one small part of society. I am sure there would be some people that would still choose to live off the land on their own out in the woods and theres nothing wrong with that, and I honestly dont see people thinking their better than the next person just because they live in a city center. Well i take that back, but it wouldnt stop this new society from functioning the way it is meant to.
@ijesuschrist, I haven’t seen a place where everyone is equally nice though, except in my imagination. I think that’s the problem actually, idiots believe that if they’re nice they’ll magically stop being hypocrites and all the world’s problems will go away. It’s also naive to think crime won’t exist if people had enough resources to survive. I mean, really? “-Hey I achieved that with hard honest work! -Oh, I’m so sorry to hear that.” Your idea isn’t crazy, it’s just ridiculous. :)
@beyond, is it more ridiculous than trying to convert all society and infrastructure and governmentation to change?
@ijesuschrist, Society is pretty ridiculous to begin with. Converting all society is the dream of helluva lot people and they are probably more than those appreciating what they already have. When everyone is having hopes for their future and following the same or similar moral belief system, a reason to live differently would excite them, and some kind of exciting change to their personal lives that won’t be as monotonous is what would motivate them to work and follow. If that project was how the whole world worked now, the world would try to change it again, because everyone would love to divide their monotonic dull routine with a new exciting idea of the future. Isn’t it human nature to try to change its own to keep its own?
If the world was in a ‘Venus Project’ life style, we would be having the same discussion about how people want to start a capitalist-based society like what we have now.
@reinvented2012, I haven’t looked too much into it, but where would all of this technology come from? It takes a lot of people to provide us the technology we have, not just manufacturing but maintenance as well.
@hulklol, I have, its an interesting idea commonly known as communism. I actually don’t have anything against communism, but this idea is very far off. I try to be optimistic about many things but the idea of a resource based economy is very far off. I’ve watched all the Zeitgeist movies and have enjoyed them all, but that last part took it to miracle land. Unless we reach the “singularity” as many has spoken about this dream cannot happen. I’m more for trying to establish smaller communities, like Valhalla is doing, and moving to current monetary economy towards a more socialist perspective.
@smalls, we already have the technology available. We easily redirected all the engineers developing missiles and weapons and tanks and have them developing new cars and rail ways.
@ijesuschrist, you said that “YOU are nice to everyone, and present the idea that OTHERSshould be nice as well.” the first part is true and valid, but as soon as you expect others to do as you want them or anything for that matter is going against all. And as soon as they don’t do as you wish you resist them and their values.
@beyond, you mentioned: “If that project was how the whole world worked now, the world would try to change it again, because everyone would love to divide their monotonic dull routine with a new exciting idea of the future. Isn’t it human nature to try to change its own to keep its own?” In The Venus Project there are no more “dull” routines like monotonous jobs, those are all done by technology. Anything you are capable to do is avalable to you. If you want to do something new and exciting then your empowered to do so, no need to look to you future. There is plenty of resources on earth for everyone to live like this, but there is not enough money do do the same. For The Venus Project to work everything on Earth must be declared everyones on Earth. If that were to be implaied there is no more need of money at all. If you wanted something you can get it for free, so what crime do you see still being present? I still see there being agruements and bar fights but you can’t steal something that is free.
Look in to what tech. is needed for The Venus Project and what tech. we have now and you’ll see we have had it for a while now. We have the technology the create things to last for years and years but chose not to because then we would not buy another. 30years ago the phone companies had to service their phones so they never broke down….ever and they don’t. I bet that old wired house phone still works great. We can build things today that dont need servicing for years but there is no MONEY in it. :/
If you have questions or are interested in The Venus Project please check out the 45mins INTRO to an resourse-based econ. on HighExistence.com or on the home page of TheVenusProject.com
@reinvented2012, and how will they be compensated? The reason a lot of people choose jobs that are harder to get, or require certain things, or come with certain stresses is because they are compensated based on the job. Who’s going to be an air traffic controller, or a proctologist, when they’re getting the same allotment of ‘resources’ that the hacky sack instructor down the street gets?
@smalls, listen, there are no more mundane jobs in The Venus Project so your points are less valid. All means of transportation are operated by technology, so you don’t have a person being a air traffic controller. The Venus Project does not address (to my knowledge) if proctologists are valid or not. I believe colon exams would be done by technology as well.
@Reno, That sounds wonderful. I’m afraid it’ll never happen in my lifetime, but it’s fun to think about.
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